Early Vantages V8V - Time to hold or sell?

[RichB]

How long do the batteries in battery powered cars last? The ones in phones and lap tops last about 2-3 years before capacity falls off dramatically.

[Manx V8V]

RichB said:

How long do the batteries in battery powered cars last? The ones in phones and lap tops last about 2-3 years before capacity falls off dramatically.

And thus the problem with changing rather than charging, in addition to the previously mentioned huge range of sizes, specs, outputs for various sizes of vehicle, you would potentially be at risk of swapping out your nice young healthy battery for someone else's cycled out old dog which wont hold a charge for more than a few miles.

I think all the manufacturers have moved away from the idea of a 'changing' concept now as the batteries are very much a part of the car, I believe they are part of the floor pan in Tesla's, so a battery change would take a couple of skilled techs about a week, not ideal if you are in a hurry!!

[bogie]

Electric cars are still in the early adopter stage with technology moving so fast, I think I will wait until they are mainstream before I change the daily driver for one

I still hope to own a petrol Aston in 20 or 30 years time, regardless of what happens

[rovcallum]

The better half wants a Model 3 to replace her Honda whenever they become available.
It's probably faster than the V8V but the lack of noise (and soul) concerns me deeply.
It seems that many of us feel the same about all this electric cr9p but the Govt keep pushing it.

I'll be keeping the V8V until the baliffs come for it!!!!!!!

[vernierMike]

RichB said:

How long do the batteries in battery powered cars last? The ones in phones and lap tops last about 2-3 years before capacity falls off dramatically.

Well I see the local taxi fraternity still ambling around in their Pious's so the battery life in cars is ok, I am thinking.

I've been looking at electric motorcycles and like cars the price/performance gap is still significant and nothing like as visceral. But the clock is ticking....

[Manx V8V]

vernierMike said:

Well I see the local taxi fraternity still ambling around in their Pious's so the battery life in cars is ok, I am thinking.

I've been looking at electric motorcycles and like cars the price/performance gap is still significant and nothing like as visceral. But the clock is ticking....

Isnt the Prius a hybrid though rather than pure electric?

I've actually owned an electric scooter (E-Rder Model 30 City) for a couple of years now Mike and it does what I need for nipping aroumd town and further afield in good weather, 30mph and a real world range of around 30 miles, the spec says a range of 45 miles but I ride it flat out everywhere.

It easily keeps with the traffic in town, and leaps ahead of most things at the traffic lights, its really handy and great fun for whizzing into town on when the weather is ok.

The only issue, and speaking to a Nissan Leaf owner recently this is one for cars too, is pedestrians stepping out in front of you as they dont hear you coming!!

Edited by Manx V8V on Wednesday 24th October 20:32

[murphyaj]

Wholeheartedly agree on electric cars lacking soul. Tesla had a sales event in the business park I work at so I got a test drive in a high-spec Model S, and they let me floor it in "ludicrous mode" that goes from 0-60 in around 2.8 seconds. I don't deny it was remarkably fast, but it just felt so uneventful. You get max accelleration from 0, and that split second when you set off is great, but from there it just tails off and it's so smooth and silent there is no drama. The DB9 feels faster and faster as the revs build, the engine gets lounder the faster you go, until the gear changes and you get another kick of accelleration. It might take two seconds longer to get to 60 but it *feels* faster to me.

But still, for the family car I'd happily go electric, as long as I can keep my V12.

[bignoise]

I believe the way forward will be hydrogen fuel cells but this will also need further development.

Re changing batteries. This as with a lot of things including hybrids is nothing new as there were battery buses in London in the early 2oth century which needed batteries changing each trip and of course there were also the petrol electrics

The issue with electric is as said the infrastructure there is just not the kw available unless we embark on a massive power station building program

[RichB]

Manx V8V said:

vernierMike said:

Well I see the local taxi fraternity still ambling around in their Pious's so the battery life in cars is ok, I am thinking...

Isnt the Prius a hybrid though...

Yes, so not what we're talking about.

[V8V Pete]

Manx V8V said:

The only issue, and speaking to a Nissan Leaf owner recently this is one for cars too, is pedestrians stepping out in front of you as they don't hear you coming!!

This has always been an issue for (fast) cyclists as well but it's getting worse. Last week the only thing that stopped some dick on his phone (with earphones in) stepping off the pavement directly into my path was the lamp post he walked into instead - Kama! I satisfy myself that it is just Natural Selection at work but it will become much more of a problem as silent electric cars become more prevalent.

[Manx V8V]

V8V Pete said:

This has always been an issue for (fast) cyclists as well but it's getting worse. Last week the only thing that stopped some dick on his phone (with earphones in) stepping off the pavement directly into my path was the lamp post he walked into instead - Kama! I satisfy myself that it is just Natural Selection at work but it will become much more of a problem as silent electric cars become more prevalent.

Ha ha, i'm a runner Pete, and sent a few phones flying when they were all roaming around like zombies staring at their phones playing that stupid 'hunt the fairy' game or whatever it was a couple of years ago.

You'll like this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

Edited by Manx V8V on Thursday 25th October 08:15

[raceboy]

leerandle said:

My biggest concern would be that we have to rely on the government to put the infrastructure in place for electric cars to be used as per petrol/diesel ones these days (Just think of the charging points required).

I would have thought charging points would be installed by the likes of E'On, EDF, Scottish Power, etc, the people who sell you the electricity just like Shell, BP, ESSO, etc build petrol stations not the government.
The Tesla superchargers are installed by Tesla, and will cost you about £20 to fill up at....but anyway all this is detracting from the real issue and the only reason to sell an early V8V is to get another newer one or a V12.

[Manx V8V]

Yes back on topic, for the foreseeable future i'll be keeping my tidy original 2006 V8V, I cant see anywhere else car-wise where my money will be safer over next few years.

[morty1961]

Manx V8V said:

Yes back on topic, for the foreseeable future i'll be keeping my tidy original 2006 V8V, I cant see anywhere else car-wise where my money will be safer over next few years.

Quite right Paul well said

[hurricane_82]

Hi everybody,

Interesting thread. I'm going to be in the market for one of these around April / May 2019.

I'm thinking of picking up a sound 2005-2008 AM V8 Vantage Coupe 4.3 Manual for about £30,000 (or less hopefully if it's the right car) then having a GMR Supercharger installed (£16,000 full kit fitted).

I'm keen to hear your thoughts and opinions on how you think the depreciation will pan out versus the fun factor. I wouldn't be buying this for investment purposes but that said, if we are at the bottom of the depreciation curvature then absolute bonus. I've come from a TVR T350C (2005 model) and a Supercharged Lotus Exige S1 which I miss both dearly after having to sell them. The AM would be a second car for me since I would keep my trusty 2010 Audi A4 2.0 TDi (143bhp) as my daily.

I've thought about a few German marques: Audi RS4, R8, AMG GTS etc but not only do these all push my budget well into £60,000..£80,000 territory. I would be too concerned with the attention they bring as daily drivers especially after I sold my 2015 Golf R when I unfortunately experienced 2x separate burglary attempts on my home. (Fortunately they didn't get past my front door and I have now since installed Ring Door Bell and telescopic drive posts as well as having my garage cleared out which would be used to store the AM).

Cheers

[raceboy]

hurricane_82 said:

Hi everybody,
I'm thinking of picking up a sound 2005-2008 AM V8 Vantage Coupe 4.3 Manual for about £30,000 (or less hopefully if it's the right car) then having a GMR Supercharger installed (£16,000 full kit fitted).

There was a thread recently with pretty much the same suggestion, don't think it's really a great investment idea but if the car is a keeper it might be fun, but it seems to be not that popular so don't expect any of the 'mods' money back if you try and sell it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The better option is to just buy a well sorted, car for a budget of £46k in the first place, this is N400 or 4.7 money and they will definitely retain more of the entire investment.

[hurricane_82]

raceboy said:

There was a thread recently with pretty much the same suggestion, don't think it's really a great investment idea but if the car is a keeper it might be fun, but it seems to be not that popular so don't expect any of the 'mods' money back if you try and sell it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The better option is to just buy a well sorted, car for a budget of £46k in the first place, this is N400 or 4.7 money and they will definitely retain more of the entire investment.

Sound advice, i'll consider this. Many Thanks.

[leerandle]

hurricane_82 said:

Hi everybody,

Interesting thread. I'm going to be in the market for one of these around April / May 2019.

I'm thinking of picking up a sound 2005-2008 AM V8 Vantage Coupe 4.3 Manual for about £30,000 (or less hopefully if it's the right car) then having a GMR Supercharger installed (£16,000 full kit fitted).

I'm keen to hear your thoughts and opinions on how you think the depreciation will pan out versus the fun factor. I wouldn't be buying this for investment purposes but that said, if we are at the bottom of the depreciation curvature then absolute bonus. I've come from a TVR T350C (2005 model) and a Supercharged Lotus Exige S1 which I miss both dearly after having to sell them. The AM would be a second car for me since I would keep my trusty 2010 Audi A4 2.0 TDi (143bhp) as my daily.

I've thought about a few German marques: Audi RS4, R8, AMG GTS etc but not only do these all push my budget well into £60,000..£80,000 territory. I would be too concerned with the attention they bring as daily drivers especially after I sold my 2015 Golf R when I unfortunately experienced 2x separate burglary attempts on my home. (Fortunately they didn't get past my front door and I have now since installed Ring Door Bell and telescopic drive posts as well as having my garage cleared out which would be used to store the AM).

Cheers

Just get a GT4 spec engine fitted (with any associated suggested upgrades like suspension/brakes etc). Would probably work out a lot 'cheaper' in the long run compared to a supercharger.

[hurricane_82]

leerandle said:

Just get a GT4 spec engine fitted (with any associated suggested upgrades like suspension/brakes etc). Would probably work out a lot 'cheaper' in the long run compared to a supercharger.

Adding this to my search criteria - thanks :-)

[alabbasi]

hurricane_82 said:

I unfortunately experienced 2x separate burglary attempts on my home. (Fortunately they didn't get past my front door and I have now since installed Ring Door Bell and telescopic drive posts as well as having my garage cleared out which would be used to store the AM).

V8V? Sounds like you need a PPK first.