Aston V12V manual
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leman600 said:
Firstly car needs to make you feel good inside. Tick.
Secondly car needs to be most likely reliable. Tick.
Thirdly car preferably doesn't depreciate like a stone. Tick.
Fourthly car needs to make you feel good inside.......oops
Well I just got one and well chuffed to say the least.
Bloody brilliant to drive for so many reasons.
As with all Astons they are mileage sensitive but you can choose to either use it very little and do very well financially or do more driving and still have reasonable resale value. If, like myself, you are not awash with cash but doing ok this is an important factor which allows mere mortals to realistically own such a dream car.
This sums up my situation and thinking on this car precisely. Secondly car needs to be most likely reliable. Tick.
Thirdly car preferably doesn't depreciate like a stone. Tick.
Fourthly car needs to make you feel good inside.......oops
Well I just got one and well chuffed to say the least.
Bloody brilliant to drive for so many reasons.
As with all Astons they are mileage sensitive but you can choose to either use it very little and do very well financially or do more driving and still have reasonable resale value. If, like myself, you are not awash with cash but doing ok this is an important factor which allows mere mortals to realistically own such a dream car.
Once in a lifetime opportunity if you ask me.
The brakes can potentially be refurbished if only worn rather than damaged. Came across this when mugging up after my recent scare https://www.rebrake.de/?lang=en
BamfordMike said:
RS6bird said:
vpr said:
I had a gearbox go in mine a couple of months ago. A 2013 car with 9000 miles
A whine in 6th gear. Was sure it was the wife but was still there when she got out.
Hi, could you share the fix? New gearbox? Costs?A whine in 6th gear. Was sure it was the wife but was still there when she got out.
Edited by vpr on Wednesday 24th October 10:33
Thanks
Normally, whining which is gear specific (so not the differential), is the needle roller bearing and / or the gear needing a bit of super polishing.
If in the franchised network, there is zero alternative to a “box changing” approach because Aston have totally locked any parts supply down with Graziano, you can buy whatever part you want, but it comes attached to the rest of the gearbox.
So, for the sake of a £10 bearing similar to the one I picture and worst case 15hrs labour at a garage which thinks outside the box, the franchised approach is replacement box at RRP £10,486 plus the labour to install.
Aston only changevthe complete unit. Such a waste. I estimated the cost as about 10 bags so that confirms it plus labour. Glad i bought from a main dealer with warranty. Would have parked the car upnif I had to pay for it.
LiamV12V said:
There’s been lots of debate on here about the ceramics recently but I don’t recall anyone stating they’ve actually had to replace them.
Is there anyone??
Yes.Is there anyone??
I'm sure Nick T had them changed on his old DBS coupe after about 20K miles - am I right Nick?
There was a guy from (I think) Portugal who bought a V12V without warranty only to find it needed new discs and sourced them (not from AML) for a lower but still very large amount of money.
A different issue but I've seen a set at an AML main dealer that had been destroyed by (presumably) acidic wheel cleaner and needed replacing.
It's not a reason not to buy the car (which is fantastic) but it's something potential owners really need to know before diving in. Dealers saying they "last the lifetime of the car" is just deception. Imagine a guy who spends his last penny on a 9 year old, 50K mile V12V only to find it needs £15K worth of discs after 6 months. Where does he go from there?
No, it's not common because most of these cars are low mileage, but it does happen.
macky17 said:
Forgive the stupid question but I assume the steel discs from a V8V wouldn’t fit straight onto a V12? Or is it that they wouldn’t be up to the job?
I’m not an expert. But I would be surprised if the discs couldn’t be swapped over. The V12 Vantage is essentially the same car apart from the engine (And I would assume some suspension tweaks). And I would imagine that outside of a track environment the steel discs would be perfectly capable of coping. The heavier DB9/Rapide both coped perfectly with steel
But I’m sure someone with more expertise will be able to correct me on this possibly incorrect assumptions
I’ve seen discs need replacing due to:
Worn out - they’ve done 3 pad sets, track use accelerates the wear in the pad fitted at that time but doesn’t condemn a disc immediately. If I remember correctly, pro NRing driver will wear a pad set in 500 miles, therefore disc life is 1500 miles. To best of my knowledge and experience, one pad set at 500 miles race use but then wear returns to two normal road car useage pad sets at 15k each means discs pretty much expired at 31,500 - disc wear is linear to pad wear (obviously), the 3 pad sets info is key. If heavy track use (excess heat often from driver trailing the brake pedal) a key thing to do after the track session is to run a rejuvenation cycle (what the factory does on press launch when each new different journo gets in the car). The rejuvenation cycle refinishes the disc face back to mirror smooth. But any info on proper care of discs is missing from the factory, perhaps because of the bulls
t they are discs for life?Pads sticking (either on pins or caliper issue) causing pad to constantly be chafing the disc, turns disc into a rough surface and pad is munched rapidly. Because the cars are ageing and corrosion is setting in, this problem is more commonly seen.
Acidic wheel cleaning fluids contaminated the discs
The very many KX or ex factory cars out there causing a disruption to the rule!
Either prior to sale the car was recommissioned extremely well and along with a ton of other parts, discs and pads were renewed. Meaning a car could have high odo miles but discs look fresh.
Or
Car was prepared not so well and because of arduous life discs need replacing with odo showing lower miles than the norm
Early cars had disc vibration issue, which if the owners complained and complained and complained, finally, a new set of discs were fitted meaning again, a vast number of cars have fresh discs but odo shows higher mileage
Stone or other road impact damage - s
t happens! Again, a car will have fresh discs for the higher mileage shownSo, it’s an extremely grey area and because nobody wants pad set changes documented in the service book, nobody really knows the history of the discs or life remaining when the number of owners goes beyond 1.
As has been correctly mentioned by Pete, CCM’s don’t last the lifetime of the car, that message has been called out as bulls
t for a number of years now. But the message isn’t doom and gloom, any ceramic brake car in the range is a cracking car. The message is simply buyer to be very aware. It’s great if someone is buying a garage queen because quite likely the car is showing 20k miles, had a pad set at 15k and discs look perfect. However, there’s a few owners out there who sell the car come disc renewal time, and exactly as has been stated, that sucks if the buyer has saved every last penny to buy the car, was taken in by the bullst that the discs last forever, and then shortly into ownership is nursing a close on £10k billI really don’t get it. One reason for Forums such as this is to make folk aware of pitfalls / problems to be able to make a decision with eyes wide open. If anyone truly thinks the discs are for the life of the car after thread after thread of proof to the contrary, we’ll, you can lead a horse to water.....
BamfordMike said:
I’ve seen discs need replacing due to:
Worn out - they’ve done 3 pad sets, track use accelerates the wear in the pad fitted at that time but doesn’t condemn a disc immediately. If I remember correctly, pro NRing driver will wear a pad set in 500 miles, therefore disc life is 1500 miles. To best of my knowledge and experience, one pad set at 500 miles race use but then wear returns to two normal road car useage pad sets at 15k each means discs pretty much expired at 31,500 - disc wear is linear to pad wear (obviously), the 3 pad sets info is key. If heavy track use (excess heat often from driver trailing the brake pedal) a key thing to do after the track session is to run a rejuvenation cycle (what the factory does on press launch when each new different journo gets in the car). The rejuvenation cycle refinishes the disc face back to mirror smooth. But any info on proper care of discs is missing from the factory, perhaps because of the bullst they are discs for life?
Pads sticking (either on pins or caliper issue) causing pad to constantly be chafing the disc, turns disc into a rough surface and pad is munched rapidly. Because the cars are ageing and corrosion is setting in, this problem is more commonly seen.
Acidic wheel cleaning fluids contaminated the discs
The very many KX or ex factory cars out there causing a disruption to the rule!
Either prior to sale the car was recommissioned extremely well and along with a ton of other parts, discs and pads were renewed. Meaning a car could have high odo miles but discs look fresh.
Or
Car was prepared not so well and because of arduous life discs need replacing with odo showing lower miles than the norm
Early cars had disc vibration issue, which if the owners complained and complained and complained, finally, a new set of discs were fitted meaning again, a vast number of cars have fresh discs but odo shows higher mileage
Stone or other road impact damage - st happens! Again, a car will have fresh discs for the higher mileage shown
So, it’s an extremely grey area and because nobody wants pad set changes documented in the service book, nobody really knows the history of the discs or life remaining when the number of owners goes beyond 1.
As has been correctly mentioned by Pete, CCM’s don’t last the lifetime of the car, that message has been called out as bullst for a number of years now. But the message isn’t doom and gloom, any ceramic brake car in the range is a cracking car. The message is simply buyer to be very aware. It’s great if someone is buying a garage queen because quite likely the car is showing 20k miles, had a pad set at 15k and discs look perfect. However, there’s a few owners out there who sell the car come disc renewal time, and exactly as has been stated, that sucks if the buyer has saved every last penny to buy the car, was taken in by the bullst that the discs last forever, and then shortly into ownership is nursing a close on £10k bill
I really don’t get it. One reason for Forums such as this is to make folk aware of pitfalls / problems to be able to make a decision with eyes wide open. If anyone truly thinks the discs are for the life of the car after thread after thread of proof to the contrary, we’ll, you can lead a horse to water.....
Mike: please spill the beans - will the steel discs from a vantage v8 s fit straight on a v12 and cope well with road use? What would that cost please?Worn out - they’ve done 3 pad sets, track use accelerates the wear in the pad fitted at that time but doesn’t condemn a disc immediately. If I remember correctly, pro NRing driver will wear a pad set in 500 miles, therefore disc life is 1500 miles. To best of my knowledge and experience, one pad set at 500 miles race use but then wear returns to two normal road car useage pad sets at 15k each means discs pretty much expired at 31,500 - disc wear is linear to pad wear (obviously), the 3 pad sets info is key. If heavy track use (excess heat often from driver trailing the brake pedal) a key thing to do after the track session is to run a rejuvenation cycle (what the factory does on press launch when each new different journo gets in the car). The rejuvenation cycle refinishes the disc face back to mirror smooth. But any info on proper care of discs is missing from the factory, perhaps because of the bulls
t they are discs for life?Pads sticking (either on pins or caliper issue) causing pad to constantly be chafing the disc, turns disc into a rough surface and pad is munched rapidly. Because the cars are ageing and corrosion is setting in, this problem is more commonly seen.
Acidic wheel cleaning fluids contaminated the discs
The very many KX or ex factory cars out there causing a disruption to the rule!
Either prior to sale the car was recommissioned extremely well and along with a ton of other parts, discs and pads were renewed. Meaning a car could have high odo miles but discs look fresh.
Or
Car was prepared not so well and because of arduous life discs need replacing with odo showing lower miles than the norm
Early cars had disc vibration issue, which if the owners complained and complained and complained, finally, a new set of discs were fitted meaning again, a vast number of cars have fresh discs but odo shows higher mileage
Stone or other road impact damage - s
t happens! Again, a car will have fresh discs for the higher mileage shownSo, it’s an extremely grey area and because nobody wants pad set changes documented in the service book, nobody really knows the history of the discs or life remaining when the number of owners goes beyond 1.
As has been correctly mentioned by Pete, CCM’s don’t last the lifetime of the car, that message has been called out as bulls
t for a number of years now. But the message isn’t doom and gloom, any ceramic brake car in the range is a cracking car. The message is simply buyer to be very aware. It’s great if someone is buying a garage queen because quite likely the car is showing 20k miles, had a pad set at 15k and discs look perfect. However, there’s a few owners out there who sell the car come disc renewal time, and exactly as has been stated, that sucks if the buyer has saved every last penny to buy the car, was taken in by the bullst that the discs last forever, and then shortly into ownership is nursing a close on £10k billI really don’t get it. One reason for Forums such as this is to make folk aware of pitfalls / problems to be able to make a decision with eyes wide open. If anyone truly thinks the discs are for the life of the car after thread after thread of proof to the contrary, we’ll, you can lead a horse to water.....
I'm sure Mike won't mind me sharing info from an email he sent me today:
"Conversion to steels is possible but very costly.
Requires new suspension uprights, calipers, discs, pads. So conversion Vs CCM disc renewal won’t save that much first time around, but next time CCM’s wear out the steel brakes will just need a pad and cheaper disc change making the second wave renewal cheaper, but, most cars don’t do that mileage.
Better to buy car with known good brakes which will last your ownership!"
That's the end of that idea then...
"Conversion to steels is possible but very costly.
Requires new suspension uprights, calipers, discs, pads. So conversion Vs CCM disc renewal won’t save that much first time around, but next time CCM’s wear out the steel brakes will just need a pad and cheaper disc change making the second wave renewal cheaper, but, most cars don’t do that mileage.
Better to buy car with known good brakes which will last your ownership!"
That's the end of that idea then...
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macky17 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone.
I think I may have to reconsider after the £15k for a set of discs thing. Can't even contemplate a bill like that.
No one in their right mind pays that. I think I may have to reconsider after the £15k for a set of discs thing. Can't even contemplate a bill like that.
Lots of alternatives including Wolfgang in Germany or Surface transforms in Liverpool.
vpr said:
A company y that makes steel discs could make a set to mirror the carbons surely so that uprights don’t need changing. Again this is what a friend had made for his Maccy.
I was thinking the same. I guess the V12V is fairly rare so perhaps it’s not worth anyone’s while. They could charge top whack for them though and still sell them...macky17 said:
vpr said:
A company that makes steel discs could make a set to mirror the carbons surely so that uprights don’t need changing. Again this is what a friend had made for his Maccy.
I was thinking the same. I guess the V12V is fairly rare so perhaps it’s not worth anyone’s while. They could charge top whack for them though and still sell them...Edited by V8V Pete on Thursday 25th October 20:44
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