V12V time to sell?
Discussion
KevinBird said:
Sadly they're not investments, I've owned several Aston Martin's including V12V & V12VSM and lost money on all of them
The recent Vanquish Zagato's appear to trade at a premium but I guess only to investors, I've not seen a post on here from someone who bought one. They're really not that special and I think the second buyer will take some serious pain on sale
Gen I Vanquish's have repeatedly been tipped as future investments but have continued to fall in value with the odd optimistic Ultimate being advertised at big money but again can only be an investor type purchase. Mine was an S with Works manual conversion, it looked stunning but not a great drive, I did less than 100 miles in it
I recently sold my V12VSM with less than 2000 miles and under year old for 25% less than the discounted price I paid for it, a good car but without any sort of Bond connection they will never be an investment. Its a shame AM didn't market it exploiting the GT3's racing successes, that might of helped
I do still have a DBS manual which I've owned longer than any of the others, possibly the greatest looking AM of all time, has a Bond connection and is a great drive but still falling in value
My advice is if you enjoy it keep it, if not sell but the longer you leave it the more you will lose
The Gen 1 Vank & DBS did rise in value, but all have now dropped, incl early GT3 Porsches, 550/575 Ferrari's etc, so don't think it is an Aston thing, just the market.The recent Vanquish Zagato's appear to trade at a premium but I guess only to investors, I've not seen a post on here from someone who bought one. They're really not that special and I think the second buyer will take some serious pain on sale
Gen I Vanquish's have repeatedly been tipped as future investments but have continued to fall in value with the odd optimistic Ultimate being advertised at big money but again can only be an investor type purchase. Mine was an S with Works manual conversion, it looked stunning but not a great drive, I did less than 100 miles in it
I recently sold my V12VSM with less than 2000 miles and under year old for 25% less than the discounted price I paid for it, a good car but without any sort of Bond connection they will never be an investment. Its a shame AM didn't market it exploiting the GT3's racing successes, that might of helped
I do still have a DBS manual which I've owned longer than any of the others, possibly the greatest looking AM of all time, has a Bond connection and is a great drive but still falling in value
My advice is if you enjoy it keep it, if not sell but the longer you leave it the more you will lose
Definitely an oversupply of Gen 1 Vanquishes at the moment.
I think V12V will hold fairly firm in value
Couldn’t give a rats arse what my V12SMR is worth.......it’s not for sale, and unless something goes horribly wrong for me, it never will be 
If depreciation is “that” much of a concern, then don’t buy this type of vehicle I’d say, stick to leasing something where you know your exposure to the penny.
We’ll all be dead soon enough, we should all just bloody enjoy the fact that we’re privileged enough to ever have the chance to own these things in the first place, 99.9% of the planet never will be.
If depreciation is “that” much of a concern, then don’t buy this type of vehicle I’d say, stick to leasing something where you know your exposure to the penny.
We’ll all be dead soon enough, we should all just bloody enjoy the fact that we’re privileged enough to ever have the chance to own these things in the first place, 99.9% of the planet never will be.
One poster said: "Sadly they're not investments, I've owned several Aston Martin's including V12V & V12VSM and lost money on all of them"
Well cars are not investments unless you choose wisely and hold onto them for the long term. , My 1997 Land Rover Defender LE and my 1997 Porsche 911 C4S are now each worth 3X what I paid for them 15 years ago. My 2011 V12V with a manual gearbox may well appreciate and be worth more than I paid for it, but I expect to wait at least another 10 years. Swapping cars over and over (as the poster that I quoted above indicates that he did) will always be a money losing proposition. For me it has worked to buy a car when it is 6 years old and evaluate when the car is 25 years old. I plan to do the same with my V12V. In the meantime I add less than 5,000 miles a year and drive them all in rotation.
Well cars are not investments unless you choose wisely and hold onto them for the long term. , My 1997 Land Rover Defender LE and my 1997 Porsche 911 C4S are now each worth 3X what I paid for them 15 years ago. My 2011 V12V with a manual gearbox may well appreciate and be worth more than I paid for it, but I expect to wait at least another 10 years. Swapping cars over and over (as the poster that I quoted above indicates that he did) will always be a money losing proposition. For me it has worked to buy a car when it is 6 years old and evaluate when the car is 25 years old. I plan to do the same with my V12V. In the meantime I add less than 5,000 miles a year and drive them all in rotation.
ajr550 said:
Market for modern "classics" has changed dramatically in the last 2 years but has only returned to normality IMHO.
Buy it, drive it, enjoy it and cross fingers on depreciation.
We are buying experiences not investments.
Completely agree. Who knows, if legislation continues the way it is heading, in 15/20 years ICE cars will have been legislated off the road, few will want to own them and their value will be Buy it, drive it, enjoy it and cross fingers on depreciation.
We are buying experiences not investments.
The rise of modern classics values have kept Vantage prices buoyant to date imo. Now that the classic market is on the turn I think you will see all Vantage models start to slowly depreciate. I think they won't go up until the next boom.
I'd love a V12 and would happily pay someone px plus but at retail they are beyond my budget. Instead I'm likely to settle for a manual V8 with a timeless warranty.
I'd love a V12 and would happily pay someone px plus but at retail they are beyond my budget. Instead I'm likely to settle for a manual V8 with a timeless warranty.
SFTWend said:
I'd love a V12 and would happily pay someone px plus but at retail they are beyond my budget. Instead I'm likely to settle for a manual V8 with a timeless warranty.
Peter, a V12 is a special and significant car, but in my experience you would also be very thrilled owning a V8.
Remember the V8 will take you from standstill to prison in 10 seconds. With a V12, you could arrive marginally sooner.
The 4.3 is a great car, but the 4.7 was slightly improved in a number of ways.
Speak to a main dealer, have some drives and do your research.
Big Ry said:
Couldn’t give a rats arse what my V12SMR is worth.......it’s not for sale, and unless something goes horribly wrong for me, it never will be
If depreciation is “that” much of a concern, then don’t buy this type of vehicle I’d say, stick to leasing something where you know your exposure to the penny.
We’ll all be dead soon enough, we should all just bloody enjoy the fact that we’re privileged enough to ever have the chance to own these things in the first place, 99.9% of the planet never will be.
Well said.If depreciation is “that” much of a concern, then don’t buy this type of vehicle I’d say, stick to leasing something where you know your exposure to the penny.
We’ll all be dead soon enough, we should all just bloody enjoy the fact that we’re privileged enough to ever have the chance to own these things in the first place, 99.9% of the planet never will be.
Dewi 2 said:
Peter, a V12 is a special and significant car, but in my experience you would also be very thrilled owning a V8.
Remember the V8 will take you from standstill to prison in 10 seconds. With a V12, you could arrive marginally sooner.
The 4.3 is a great car, but the 4.7 was slightly improved in a number of ways.
Speak to a main dealer, have some drives and do your research.
) as prices for good, low mileage V12VS coupes are still falling. I’ve been keeping an eye on prices several time a week on Autotrader and there are now very nice choices appearing below £100k... before haggling.One or two very nearly news ones are lingering around the £100k++ mark, but I don’t see much special enough to justify it. What’s the difference between 3000 miles and 500 miles to an owner who intends to use it?
Regarding the V8, I’m not sure I’d regret it in some way going to a V12. The 4.7 V8 has ample go, sounds stunning (get rid of those secondary exhausts instantly!) and I don’t fear virtually any weather condition. The cabin is the same. To all but us AM fanboys, the exterior is identical.
Never stops me giving some choice new Autotrader adverts minutes of my life every so often
RiknRoll said:
Thanks, yeah certainly the car looks excellent on the whole (I had issue with one of the discs seeming more worn than the others, but that was it) and certainly otherwise very good for an 8 year old car. .......
I am sure you must already know, but the V12 has carbon ceramic discs, so replacement is costly.
Graze01 said:
Nick
Nothing to regret in a V12V after a V8V
Ask anyone who has made the change
And as you say everyone else would not know you'd changed
Graze
I don’t deny you’re right, Graze. It’s as much trying to convince myself Nothing to regret in a V12V after a V8V
Ask anyone who has made the change
And as you say everyone else would not know you'd changed
Graze
But in reality, changing up to the spec I want would cost up to £50k-ish. I don’t think that’s bad value and I’d finally get a Vantage with a lighter interior, B&O, lightweight seats, etc. (Although, isn’t it then better to get a Vanquish S at that point - price not toooo dissimilar, more power as stock, B&O default, amazing interior, 2 temp seats?)
It’s just hard to justify at times how a change of colour, slightly more comfy seats and an extra 300W audio would make me £50k happier. After all, I only got this V8VS last August and have yet to do a road trip (steps now made to get over to Germany), explore the handling with expert tuition, etc. If all those activities cost me 1/10th of the change to a V12VS, isn’t that a good move? Any Vantage feels special - we’re just all spoilt kids!
Besides... I’m saving up for the new Vanquish in 2022. “All good things come to those who wait”, as I believe 3 amigos uttered on here last year...
KevinBird said:
Sadly they're not investments, I've owned several Aston Martin's including V12V & V12VSM and lost money on all of them
The recent Vanquish Zagato's appear to trade at a premium but I guess only to investors, I've not seen a post on here from someone who bought one. They're really not that special and I think the second buyer will take some serious pain on sale
Gen I Vanquish's have repeatedly been tipped as future investments but have continued to fall in value with the odd optimistic Ultimate being advertised at big money but again can only be an investor type purchase. Mine was an S with Works manual conversion, it looked stunning but not a great drive, I did less than 100 miles in it
I recently sold my V12VSM with less than 2000 miles and under year old for 25% less than the discounted price I paid for it, a good car but without any sort of Bond connection they will never be an investment. Its a shame AM didn't market it exploiting the GT3's racing successes, that might of helped
I do still have a DBS manual which I've owned longer than any of the others, possibly the greatest looking AM of all time, has a Bond connection and is a great drive but still falling in value
My advice is if you enjoy it keep it, if not sell but the longer you leave it the more you will lose
Kevin, I think I am about to purchase your old car. AM18VSM; 1,900 miles? Anything I should know? Ta!The recent Vanquish Zagato's appear to trade at a premium but I guess only to investors, I've not seen a post on here from someone who bought one. They're really not that special and I think the second buyer will take some serious pain on sale
Gen I Vanquish's have repeatedly been tipped as future investments but have continued to fall in value with the odd optimistic Ultimate being advertised at big money but again can only be an investor type purchase. Mine was an S with Works manual conversion, it looked stunning but not a great drive, I did less than 100 miles in it
I recently sold my V12VSM with less than 2000 miles and under year old for 25% less than the discounted price I paid for it, a good car but without any sort of Bond connection they will never be an investment. Its a shame AM didn't market it exploiting the GT3's racing successes, that might of helped
I do still have a DBS manual which I've owned longer than any of the others, possibly the greatest looking AM of all time, has a Bond connection and is a great drive but still falling in value
My advice is if you enjoy it keep it, if not sell but the longer you leave it the more you will lose
KevinBird said:
Yes, it was mine. Its perfect and I had it serviced just before Romans bought it, you'll have a great car!
Many thanks. I have a more optimistic view on future value than you I think!I believe it will depreciate but hopefully gently and that as a 3-year ownership proposition it should be moderate.
As an 18-plate VSM it is one of the last and I think the colour/bucket seats and rest of the carbon fibre on it make it quite desirable. I will add the carbon bonnet vents to finish her off!
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