Why are AM's core products not selling?

Why are AM's core products not selling?

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RichB

51,678 posts

285 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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markiii said:
we need a pic from the front
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RichB said:
...Mind you it's interesting that you chose to post a picture of the rear of your car because, when asked for their favourite shot, most people would picture from some angle showing the front.

Viahuerto

162 posts

62 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Octavarium said:
How very odd. Are you saying that people don't come up to you and tell you that the bonnet shut line is all wrong, or the headlights are too small, or that it looks like an MX5 ?

Seriously though, I have many positive comments when out and about from people with my DB11. The only negative I've had from someone was that they didn't like the stuck-on iPad on the dashboard. I agreed with him, but still - how very dare he !!
Ha!

ReformedPistonhead

965 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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For me the rear of the new Vantage is it's best bit, it looks brilliant.

The snout they have fixed now (IMHO at least).

Now give it an engine which is not used in a Mercedes saloon and ditch the Mercedes infotainment for a dumb CarPlay based screen and I am in.

Bobajobbob

1,444 posts

97 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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markiii said:
we need a pic from the front
Yes please, despite my gapphobia I'd love to see a shot of the front as the car looks so good in that colour.

Sebastian Tombs

2,050 posts

193 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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NFC 85 Vette said:

Vaned grille (on the Vantage Roadster but available on the Coupe of course).
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Although the 'Vane' grille (or 'Aston Martin' grille to give it its proper name) is still not good enough. It's too huge, the sides slope the wrong way, and it is too low.
I have crudely fixed it in photoshop:


And while I was at it I fixed the sides too:
old:


new:

RMDB9

1,711 posts

49 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Great job!

Maybe you could also fix that blanked-out vent and slitty-eyed taillight ( no offense to slitty-eyed people )?

Cold

15,255 posts

91 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Sebastian Tombs said:
I have crudely fixed it in photoshop:
No you haven't.

oilit

2,634 posts

179 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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Cold said:
Sebastian Tombs said:
I have crudely fixed it in photoshop:
No you haven't.
Personally I like the side and rear as it is - no need to change!!

Shrimpvende

861 posts

93 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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By popular demand...



The colour is difficult to capture. These pics or quite heavily edited and were taken (fairly) professionally. My personal favourite:





This is an iphone pic that better shows the colour in the sun. In reality it changes with the lighting, from a deep blue to more of a greeny turquoise colour. TBH it's honestly made me think twice about paying the balloon and keeping the car...I'm unlikely to be able to find a Timeless car in this colour/spec and it's my favourite thing about the car!


Bobajobbob

1,444 posts

97 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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It really is a fantastic colour and great shots.

morty1961

379 posts

183 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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The Speedster smaller grille looks 100% better and would look infinitely better on the new Vantage...side shots better as well but needs to lose that awful black side duct.

The baby blue is a great colour but the front is ugly and the rear end too fussy with all the unnecessary little diffuser vanes etc

Edited by morty1961 on Wednesday 15th July 09:51

RichB

51,678 posts

285 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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morty1961 said:
... needs to lose that awful black side duct...
That can obviously be body colour...

Simon.b

1,230 posts

283 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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Very very nice, but then I would say that.

I think one of the big changes for this model is that the traditional colours don't work as well as bright ones.

Great pictures, made me realise I must get some proper ones of mine done. Does yours have a very slight metallic/pearl element in the paint, mine has so guess this is why it changes colour so much in bright sun and as you say, most pictures of mine make it look bright orange, though it is definitely red.

Love it.......

DBSSV20

110 posts

47 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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The ‘trout pout’ front can easily be mitigated by speccing the car from new yourself!

Choose the black gloss boarder ( and just like Lesley Ash with black lipstick on) it’s going to stand out with a silver mesh grill with a silver paint on the body.

Choose a bright bold colour like flugplatz / tang/ cosmos/ I emerald with black and black grill and bang!!!
Looks wonderful as per the pics above.

So if you don’t want a trout pout car , buy new or search for a one that has not been a tick box ( lemming) exerciser ( aka dealer demo or what will the neighbours think spec)
Again... all IMHO

Bobajobbob

1,444 posts

97 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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I know I am an ass for going on about this but if you were a luxury car designer and not constrained by the bean counters that dictate the design of cheap run arounds would you not have found a way to lose that shut line across the nose? Maybe I just need to get out more.

Jon39

12,862 posts

144 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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Bobajobbob said:
...... would you not have found a way to lose that shut line across the nose? Maybe I just need to get out more.

I might have an explanation for you Bob.

The designers did feel a certain amount of guilt, when they realised that they had destroyed two very long-standing historic features of Aston Martin heritage.
The well known and distinctive front grille and also the side strakes. Both I think have been registered designs for decades.

To make up for their indiscretions, they decided they could revive a past Aston Martin feature, the bonnet shut line. - wink










Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 15th July 20:26

Bobajobbob

1,444 posts

97 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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Jon39 said:

I might have an explanation for you Bob.

The designers did feel a certain amount of guilt, when they realised that they had destroyed two very long-standing historic features of Aston Martin heritage.
The well known and distinctive front grille and also the side strakes. Both I think have been registered designs for decades.

To make up for their indiscretions, they decided they could revive a past Aston Martin feature, the bonnet shut line. - wink







Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 15th July 20:26
Haha, sad as I am with far too much free time on my hands at the moment I have actually already considered why on the cars above (and quite a few others) the shut line doesn't bother me whereas on the Vantage it does. I think it is down to the fact on the cars above the integrity of the nose and wings is maintained and the bonnet section is clearly defined in the centre of the whole front area of the car. There is not just a single strong horizonal cut across the nose but the entire rectangle, with horizontal and vertical lines, and balanced proportions.

With the Vantage it cuts off the nose and the undulations in the metal mean that the gap is wide and never sits flush or aligns properly.



I've never liked the nose of the original Vanquish for the same reasons and Aston does have form with this design language but it still looks better on this car as the lights are bigger and the shut lines are both horizontal and vertical framing the bonnet area and wings. A few modern Mercedes are also afflicted by the same design flaw IMHO of course smile


cayman-black

12,666 posts

217 months

Wednesday 15th July 2020
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Bobajobbob said:
It really is a fantastic colour and great shots.
I agree, stunning!

RMDB9

1,711 posts

49 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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"Why are AM's core products not selling?"

Ask the buyers.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Thursday 16th July 2020
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RMDB9 said:
"Why are AM's core products not selling?"

Ask the buyers.
There aren't any buyers to ask. Otherwise they would be selling biggrin

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 16th July 05:47