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Jon39 said:
Simpo Two said:
Move the badge to Red Bull, then they will do better.
What did you make of Mr. Kolles comments ?
Very cutting perhaps.
The only glimmer of logic is that people might say 'Ooh look, there's an Aston logo on that F1 car - I'll buy an Aston then!'. Of course that backfires somewhat when they don't perform, which they aren't and were never likely to. Aston's pedigree is Le Mans, not F1. Same for Jaguar who had a similar drubbing in F1.
Am I cynical? I'd call it the cold light of reality. We live in an era of bulls
t and hype; the skill is in navigating it.It will be a damn shame if this brings Aston to collapse. But then, history does repeat itself!
Simpo Two said:
I don't think Aston Martin 'a vanity project by Stroll' as much as he's simply milking it dry for his own ends. The idea that AM would pay somebody to use their logo makes no sense. It's almost as if he's holding hostages.
The only glimmer of logic is that people might say 'Ooh look, there's an Aston logo on that F1 car - I'll buy an Aston then!'. Of course that backfires somewhat when they don't perform, which they aren't and were never likely to. Aston's pedigree is Le Mans, not F1. Same for Jaguar who had a similar drubbing in F1.
Am I cynical? I'd call it the cold light of reality. We live in an era of bullst and hype; the skill is in navigating it.
It will be a damn shame if this brings Aston to collapse. But then, history does repeat itself!
The only glimmer of logic is that people might say 'Ooh look, there's an Aston logo on that F1 car - I'll buy an Aston then!'. Of course that backfires somewhat when they don't perform, which they aren't and were never likely to. Aston's pedigree is Le Mans, not F1. Same for Jaguar who had a similar drubbing in F1.
Am I cynical? I'd call it the cold light of reality. We live in an era of bulls
t and hype; the skill is in navigating it.It will be a damn shame if this brings Aston to collapse. But then, history does repeat itself!
No, I don't think you are cynical. I came to that same conclusion when the long list of new sponsors started to be announced, which was immediately following the name change from Racing Point to Aston Martin. It was very clear the sponsors wanted to be associated with Aston Martin. F1 team sponsors have to pay enormous sums, so I realised that rescuing AML (with the consortium) was a clever move, because some or all of the rescue money, might be recouped from sponsors.
AML has of course been rescued many times (more than the seven, which was often mentioned by AP), but never before has there been a debt of the current magnitude. Wonder if that aspect will make a difference, if history does repeat ?
Jon39 said:
No, I don't think you are cynical. I came to that same conclusion when the long list of new sponsors started to be announced, which was immediately following the name change from Racing Point to Aston Martin. It was very clear the sponsors wanted to be associated with Aston Martin. F1 team sponsors have to pay enormous sums, so I realised that rescuing AML (with the consortium) was a clever move, because some or all of the rescue money, might be recouped from sponsors.
AML has of course been rescued many times (more than the seven, which was often mentioned by AP), but never before has there been a debt of the current magnitude. Wonder if that aspect will make a difference, if history does repeat ?
It seems to me that Stroll has AM by the balls. Quite how they allowed themselves to get into that situation I'm not sure. Guess he's just smarter than they are.AML has of course been rescued many times (more than the seven, which was often mentioned by AP), but never before has there been a debt of the current magnitude. Wonder if that aspect will make a difference, if history does repeat ?
I used to see a parallel between AM and TVR, only that AM did it better and more expensively. But the biggest difference is that AM have that unsinkable brand. How long will that magic last? MG was a great brand once, and look what happened to that. Trashed by BL greysuits then sold to the Chinese who now stick the badge on hideous tubs. The history of motoring is littered with once-great brands that either went extinct or were destroyed by marketing people.
Where will AM be in 10 years' time? Finances aside, I think they may be evolving themselves into a dead end. Just like TVR. Or maybe, from what I learn here, it may end up as a Mercedes with the winged logo on the back. AM instead of AMG if you like, the S-Class 'Aston Martin' version. Now you know how Lagonda fans might feel... The possibilities are many. Luckily for me the only model I want is a DB9, so I'm just a bystander not a participant!
AM took the MB design around a year too late and now even there engine is not the top dog. I don't especially like these Stroll type blunderbus characters but that is sort of the modern sporting world. (And in my mind sport is not better for it)
I love F1 and AM to bits and hope they have a little luck. That winged badge is uniquely many things including quite durable and I would just like the people currently behind it to truely grasp those qualities.
Stroll junior I actually like and think he is pretty good all be it not an A lister.
I love F1 and AM to bits and hope they have a little luck. That winged badge is uniquely many things including quite durable and I would just like the people currently behind it to truely grasp those qualities.
Stroll junior I actually like and think he is pretty good all be it not an A lister.
Simpo Two said:
.... Where will AM be in 10 years' time? Finances aside, I think they may be evolving themselves into a dead end. Just like TVR. Or maybe, from what I learn here, it may end up as a Mercedes with the winged logo on the back. AM instead of AMG if you like, the S-Class 'Aston Martin' version. Now you know how Lagonda fans might feel... The possibilities are many. Luckily for me the only model I want is a DB9, so I'm just a bystander not a participant!
Like you, it seems there might be quite a number VH owners, who are perfectly happy with their current Aston Martins.
Yes, what an awful possibility in 10 years time.
"Would Sir like their new Mercedes A-Class micro hatchback with AMG Line trim, or Aston Martin Line trim?
The Aston Martin version has green wheels, wings headrest embroidery and a 007 logo on the dashboard display each time you enter your electric
Jon39 said:
The Aston Martin version has green wheels, wings headrest embroidery and a 007 logo on the dashboard display each time you enter your electric mobility buggy car".
Careful what you predict, it could happen...!I would actually like a grand tourer. That means the ride must be magic carpet, storage capacity at least medium, and economy/range such that you can drive to Grenoble without stopping in every town or needing a bank loan. And it must look so good that the neighbours come round to look at it. Gap in the market?
This is our own topic for anything Aston Martin.
(New AM F1 topics are usually moved and soon die.)
Aston Martin Poor Performance?
Phil74891 said:
Anyone on here ‘in the know’ know what’s up?
Manners79 said:
I don’t have any inside knowledge at all but it looks to me like they just got the interpretation of the rules wrong. They’re legal but simply didn’t see how to optimise the rules. Question is do they have the people, resources and headroom within the cost cap to sort it at all in the season or is it already time to ‘focus on next years car’. Trouble is allegedly they were one of the first to do that last year and look where we are. Frankly the current performance is embarrassing…hope the perception doesn’t colour the wider view of the road cars.
Import said:
Certainly a pretty poor start to the season..can only keep my fingers crossed for updates and improvements…
2022 Australian GP.
1:19 = Front of grid.
1:21 = Back of grid.
Margins are so small. Just 2.5% slower than Pole Position and you find yourself last.
Even at the back, the cars are mighty fast, but seem to be considered as no good.
Force India (forerunner of Racing Point, now using the Aston Martin name), had a reputation of obtaining better results than their team size or money, was expected to achieve. Now with a much bigger number of employees and more money being spent, the results have not been as good.
Considering the many senior staff changes at AML, perhaps there is a question about how easy it is to work under the direction of Lawrence Stroll. Is he perhaps too 'hands on' ? Are the higher number of team members able to work in a well coordinated manner?
Is excessive pressure been put on individuals ?
We only see the on-track results, so what might be going on within the team, we don't know.
Jon39 said:
No, I don't think you are cynical. I came to that same conclusion when the long list of new sponsors started to be announced, which was immediately following the name change from Racing Point to Aston Martin. It was very clear the sponsors wanted to be associated with Aston Martin. F1 team sponsors have to pay enormous sums, so I realised that rescuing AML (with the consortium) was a clever move, because some or all of the rescue money, might be recouped from sponsors.
AML has of course been rescued many times (more than the seven, which was often mentioned by AP), but never before has there been a debt of the current magnitude. Wonder if that aspect will make a difference, if history does repeat ?
Another sponsor for Lawrence Stroll's F1 team.
Hugo Boss wil be dropping Formula E, to be associated with Aston Martin.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/fashion-b...
Jon39 said:
Another sponsor for Lawrence Stroll's F1 team.
Hugo Boss wil be dropping Formula E, to be associated with Aston Martin.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/fashion-b...
Yep the Aramco and Hugo Boss deal should absolutely provide the funds to give the AM car business the funds needed to survive. Oh wait, you mean they don’t get a dime?
F1 is clearly where Stroll gets his investment in AM returned to him. Paid by the big boys now as sponsors and AM pay him to use the logo - actually it’s shocking.
F1 is clearly where Stroll gets his investment in AM returned to him. Paid by the big boys now as sponsors and AM pay him to use the logo - actually it’s shocking.
BlackWidow13 said:
Westlondondriver said:
I see Alonso is replacing Vettel at Aston Martin for next season, should be interesting he still seems to have the hunger for racing.
Interesting and no doubt expensive replacement. Perhaps they are targeting former DWCs to help them develop the car. phumy said:
BlackWidow13 said:
Westlondondriver said:
I see Alonso is replacing Vettel at Aston Martin for next season, should be interesting he still seems to have the hunger for racing.
Interesting and no doubt expensive replacement. Perhaps they are targeting former DWCs to help them develop the car. Mr.Tremlini said:
Yes, I think they are going for the old, wise ex-World Champions to impart their experience and help development, as Vettel certainly did, and also to balance out the exuberant youth!
Lance is 23 and in his 6th season in F1, so no longer a rookie. Personally, I can't see it working out for Alonso, he'll probably retire at the end of next season. Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff