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NFC 85 Vette said:
...... the same Toto who tried throwing Bottas under the bus in Monaco because of where he stopped in his pit box.
Yesterday I saw a replay (overhead shots). The front wheel was almost exactly in line with the 90° yellow line.
Interesting though, the corresponding rear wheel line was not in line with the centre of the rear wheel.
Slightly misleading for the rear wheel pit crew, if the lines did not exactly match the wheelbase of the car.
LTP said:
I do watch F1 but I don't really consider the Aston Martin team to be Aston Martin, just Force India/Racing Point with a paint job, whereas the WEC Vantages were an entirely and obviously different matter. I know I should root for them but....meh.
As for the drivers? I've thought Vettel was an arrogant little s
t ever since his days in Red Bull and Stroll is not as good as his daddy thinks he is. I'm not going to go head-to-head with 'Vette and I'm not saying he doesn't have some talent (much more than me, probably. But then my father wasn't a billionaire who could buy me seats until I found out just how good I wasn't). Plus Stroll has inherited his father's easy, engaging manner, ready wit and bonhomie.
So I'm afraid I tend to watch Lewis' progress in his fight with Max, am enjoying McLaren's resurgence and would celebrate their success in the midfield much more than that of Force Aston Point and hope to see the great (but sadly now VC-owned) Williams return closer to the front. And Fernando, of course. Sadly Kimi seems to have given up his maverick status and appears to be happy to phone it in most weekends - his best days were at Lotus "Yes yes, I'm doing all of that" ... "Leave me alone I know what I'm doing"
Just my opinion, of course - others no doubt disagree. I do understand the potential marketing benefit of having Aston in F1, as it probably reaches a far greater audience than WEC and raises awareness of the brand in those countries who don't know it. Which is why there is now script on the boot- (or trunk-) lids as well as the wings. Not all populations follow the "British understatement" philosophy and like to shout about their success.
As for the drivers? I've thought Vettel was an arrogant little s
t ever since his days in Red Bull and Stroll is not as good as his daddy thinks he is. I'm not going to go head-to-head with 'Vette and I'm not saying he doesn't have some talent (much more than me, probably. But then my father wasn't a billionaire who could buy me seats until I found out just how good I wasn't). Plus Stroll has inherited his father's easy, engaging manner, ready wit and bonhomie.So I'm afraid I tend to watch Lewis' progress in his fight with Max, am enjoying McLaren's resurgence and would celebrate their success in the midfield much more than that of Force Aston Point and hope to see the great (but sadly now VC-owned) Williams return closer to the front. And Fernando, of course. Sadly Kimi seems to have given up his maverick status and appears to be happy to phone it in most weekends - his best days were at Lotus "Yes yes, I'm doing all of that" ... "Leave me alone I know what I'm doing"
Just my opinion, of course - others no doubt disagree. I do understand the potential marketing benefit of having Aston in F1, as it probably reaches a far greater audience than WEC and raises awareness of the brand in those countries who don't know it. Which is why there is now script on the boot- (or trunk-) lids as well as the wings. Not all populations follow the "British understatement" philosophy and like to shout about their success.
Hope you do not mind me copying your post, Paul
Moving the topic to F1, means it gets lost to AM PHers.
Yes, I understand. Seeing the Vantage GTEs race at Le Mans was wonderful. A thrill to see a car looking like ours, racing against Porsche, Ferrari, Chevrolet etc. That last lap win, what a day.
How about reconsidering your view on Kimi? A great elder statesman of the sport, who loves racing and his ability means his employers uniquely accept his disinterest in the corporate nonsense.
He is certainly no slouch even now. His Ferrari sponsored wonder kid team mate, is usually trailing Kimi on the timing screens.
The car is his limiting factor.
Have you seen this video? Kimi caught more than half the field napping on the opening lap.
17th to 6th in one lap. What an exhibition of race driving skill amongst the best in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChdaNDFI30
Do you remember the days, when a few men in a shed, in the Surrey countryside became World Champions and beat the all conquering Ferrari?
Ken Tyrrell and Jackie Stewart. What a pairing. Their talented engineer car designer, had never designed an F1 car before.
Almost everyone then had the same Cosworth engine (£7,500 - not click and collect, but order and collect in your Transit van).
Today, 800 or 1000 employees and millions of Pounds, seem essential to prepare just two cars for the starting grid. Which was more exciting to watch?
The Tyrrell shed still stands today.
Edited by Jon39 on Monday 7th June 21:42
RichB said:
Seriously? For someone who normally writes sensible posts on here I am amazed at that remark. At the time - and it's widely reported, Lewis said, (and I paraphrase because I can't be bothered to look up the exact quote) "Bono, did I have the 'magic' on?" "Yes," Bone replied, "you did." "Ah," replied Hamilton, "I must have knocked it, I didn't realise, sorry."
So nothing like you have alluded to, and in fact Hamilton accepting it was his fault for an accidental error. I assume I don't need to explain to you what the magic button is?
For the avoidance of doubt it’s been widely reported it’s a button that switches the rear brakes off to allow max brakes and heat to go to the front and thence into the tyres, so the front tyres can be brought up to temperature (they can do the rears through engine torque). This explains why Lewis locked both front wheels; the brake balance wasn’t where he thought it was and he overwhelmed the front tyresSo nothing like you have alluded to, and in fact Hamilton accepting it was his fault for an accidental error. I assume I don't need to explain to you what the magic button is?
RichB said:
eriously? For someone who normally writes sensible posts on here I am amazed at that remark. At the time - and it's widely reported, Lewis said, (and I paraphrase because I can't be bothered to look up the exact quote) "Bono, did I have the 'magic' on?" "Yes," Bone replied, "you did." "Ah," replied Hamilton, "I must have knocked it, I didn't realise, sorry."
So nothing like you have alluded to, and in fact Hamilton accepting it was his fault for an accidental error. I assume I don't need to explain to you what the magic button is?
I've deleted my post, hope that helps. My error, sadly I'm not very on the ball when it comes to race cars.So nothing like you have alluded to, and in fact Hamilton accepting it was his fault for an accidental error. I assume I don't need to explain to you what the magic button is?
Jon39 said:
Hope you do not mind me copying your post, Paul
Moving the topic to F1, means it gets lost to AM PHers.
No problem. I've deleted my posts from the other thread as it appears to be performing a St Vitus' Dance between here and the F1 forum. As I type it's back in AML, but for how long?Moving the topic to F1, means it gets lost to AM PHers.
Hello again. Our topic has a peculiar title, because F1 topics are moved and quickly die. Here we are allowed to talk about anything directly Aston Martin related, including any Aston Martin racing cars.
Dates for your diaries;
10th February 2022.
The 2022 Aston Martin Formula 1 car will be unveiled at Gaydon. ( Do you remember that 2021 unveiling video presentation? -
)On 23rd February 2022 at Barcelona, the six days of pre-season testing begins, before the opening round of the season at Bahrain on 20th March 2022.
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 15th January 14:23
Jon39 said:
Hello again. Our topic has a peculiar title, because F1 topics are moved and quickly die. Here we are allowed to talk about anything Aston Martin only related, including any Aston Martin racing cars.
Dates for your diaries;
14th January 2022 at 8:54 am
The 2022 Aston Martin Formula 1 car will be unveiled at Gaydon. ( Do you remember that 2021 unveiling video presentation? -
)On 23rd February 2022 at Barcelona, the six days of pre-season testing begins, before the opening round of the season at Bahrain on 20th March 2022.
Expect you all saw the recent additional sponsorship announcement, by Aston Martin F1 Racing.
https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/news/announcem...
Aramco, tha biggest oil company (excl. China) in the world.
Even the F1 entrant name is being changed to, Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One™ Team.
Do you think the Aramco deal would have been possible, for what was called the Racing Point team, if they had not adopted the Aston Martin name?
Aston Martin are even paying the privately owned racing team, a considerable sum each year, to have their own name used by the team.
I don't know, but perhaps none of the new money received from a long list of new sponsors, finds its way to AML.
What are your thoughts ?
Only one response to my question.
I thought there might be a greater reaction, particularly to the point about AML having to pay millions for their name to be used by an F1 team.
Do you think that Mr Stroll might have possibly now even received more sponsorship money into his racing team (post Aston Martin), than he invested into AML?
If so, think what that means, including getting an investment back in just one year.
Several sponsors have made reference to the Aston Martin image, which presumably indicates they would not be sponsors without the Aston Martin team name.
Edited by Jon39 on Monday 7th February 13:59
Jon39 said:
Only one response to my question.
I thought there might be a greater reaction, particularly to the point about AML having to pay millions for their name to be used by an F1 team,.
Do you think that Mr Stroll might have possibly now even received more sponsorship money into his racing team (post Aston Martin), than he invested into AML?
If so, think what that means.
Several sponsors have made reference to the Aston Martin image, which presumably indicates they would not be sponsors without the Aston Martin team name.
As one poster pointed out (I think SSO but haven't dug though the forum to check), as Stroll Racing Ltd is using the Aston Martin brand to attract sponsorship for his independent and wholly-owned racing team, perhaps he should be paying AML royalties to use their name. Also, there is questions of governance as the Chairman of a plc who should be acting purely in the interests of his shareholders under UK law seems to be using his position to channel shareholder funds into his private racing enterprise.
Sadly, the only people who can stop him are either the AML shareholders (fat chance of that) or an organisation like Companies House or the police if actual law-breaking is suspected (which I doubt, on both counts)
Edited by LTP on Monday 7th February 22:10
Oops !
Mr. Stroll will be deleting a name from his Christmas card list.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/107421/lawrence-str...
Of the ten F1 teams, only Aston Martin and Williams have failed to score any points this year.
Just two races so far, and we hope AM will achieve better results as the season progresses.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 31st March 11:36
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