What's Acceptable?
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There's not much to go wrong on with the DB9.
Yeah there are things to watch out for but I would defiantly do 6 things -
1 - Replace the radiator ( this is only for the early cars as they have a tendency to warp and crack)
2 - Disconnect the tracker - see BR video
3 - Remove the rear subframe and have it painted
4 - Go to BR for the primary decat.
5 - Replace the coilpacks/sparkplugs and PCV valves.
6 - Replace the ZF autobox oil (great info on Aston 1936 regarding this)
I guess you've heard of the "dreaded DB9 tick" this seems to be on the very early 2004 models when Cosworth UK produced the V12, once production moved to Ford in Germany this seems to have been cured.
Make sure the PCV valves work ok so the engine won't get oil starvation plus check it regularly, and every time you get it serviced ask the service department for the misfire count in real time on AMDS to check if any coils are starting to fail, although if you have the primary cat removal done at BR if your car is misfiring it won't damage the engine.
That's it, as long as you enter into this knowing the issues you'll be fine, the cars are very reliable and fantastic to drive if looked after.
Yeah there are things to watch out for but I would defiantly do 6 things -
1 - Replace the radiator ( this is only for the early cars as they have a tendency to warp and crack)
2 - Disconnect the tracker - see BR video
3 - Remove the rear subframe and have it painted
4 - Go to BR for the primary decat.
5 - Replace the coilpacks/sparkplugs and PCV valves.
6 - Replace the ZF autobox oil (great info on Aston 1936 regarding this)
I guess you've heard of the "dreaded DB9 tick" this seems to be on the very early 2004 models when Cosworth UK produced the V12, once production moved to Ford in Germany this seems to have been cured.
Make sure the PCV valves work ok so the engine won't get oil starvation plus check it regularly, and every time you get it serviced ask the service department for the misfire count in real time on AMDS to check if any coils are starting to fail, although if you have the primary cat removal done at BR if your car is misfiring it won't damage the engine.
That's it, as long as you enter into this knowing the issues you'll be fine, the cars are very reliable and fantastic to drive if looked after.
Edited by paulrog1 on Wednesday 24th February 19:51
paulrog1 said:
Shnozz said:
Is this nonsense I have heard correct re GDPR insofar as the dealer being forced to not pass on service invoices and records containing previous owners address etc?
I had the GDPR nonsense when I contacted an AM dealer who serviced my car for about 10 years for a previous owner to get the service invoices, they said I could not have them because of GDPR, so I was screwed.krisdelta said:
This has been my experience with buying an AM and a VW from dealers in the last couple of years. No receipts due to GDPR risks - just service books. Which dealer wants to risk a fine of €20m vs a punter wanting a folder of receipts? Ditto V5 no longer has any previous owner information, just dates. The fact GDPR isn’t geared towards service receipts being passed along, is sadly moot.
Maybe not all dealers are the same. When I bought mine in the summer they passed on all previous receipts woodsypedia said:
To alleviate GDPR - ask for them to redact the name and address at the top. GDPR can be overridden through a clause called Legitimate Interest. You are able to argue you have a legitimate interest in the information. I've done large GDPR projects for global companies and the way I hear some junior knobs throwing the term around for their own advantage is horse s
t.
Chris.
Chris, I did this with all those I contacted about work done to my car and each one of them said no. I argued with legitimate interest angle and still they said no. I would agree with you, it is horse dung but I spoke to three main dealers and one independent and each would not have it ... the independent was the worst of them all though.t. Chris.
Wording along the lines of against company policy in line with GDPR laws.
BiggaJ said:
woodsypedia said:
To alleviate GDPR - ask for them to redact the name and address at the top. GDPR can be overridden through a clause called Legitimate Interest. You are able to argue you have a legitimate interest in the information. I've done large GDPR projects for global companies and the way I hear some junior knobs throwing the term around for their own advantage is horse st.
Chris.
Chris, I did this with all those I contacted about work done to my car and each one of them said no. I argued with legitimate interest angle and still they said no. I would agree with you, it is horse dung but I spoke to three main dealers and one independent and each would not have it ... the independent was the worst of them all though.t. Chris.
Wording along the lines of against company policy in line with GDPR laws.
Shnozz said:
BiggaJ said:
woodsypedia said:
To alleviate GDPR - ask for them to redact the name and address at the top. GDPR can be overridden through a clause called Legitimate Interest. You are able to argue you have a legitimate interest in the information. I've done large GDPR projects for global companies and the way I hear some junior knobs throwing the term around for their own advantage is horse st.
Chris.
Chris, I did this with all those I contacted about work done to my car and each one of them said no. I argued with legitimate interest angle and still they said no. I would agree with you, it is horse dung but I spoke to three main dealers and one independent and each would not have it ... the independent was the worst of them all though.t. Chris.
Wording along the lines of against company policy in line with GDPR laws.
As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
SFO said:
Dealers are much better at producing receipts etc when you are about to buy the car
That too was my experience, although my transaction was before the GDPR.
I was given a computer print out showing the complete history from PDI onwards. It helped in that instance, because the same dealer group had done all the work.
Nothing on the printout contained any information at all about owners, so I cannot understand what the data privacy laws have got to do with it.
Dewi 2 said:
SFO said:
Dealers are much better at producing receipts etc when you are about to buy the car
That too was my experience, although my transaction was before the GDPR.
I was given a computer print out showing the complete history from PDI onwards. It helped in that instance, because the same dealer group had done all the work.
Nothing on the printout contained any information at all about owners, so I cannot understand what the data privacy laws have got to do with it.
.Ken Figenus said:
I watched a dealer bin a folder of receipts for a Bimmer that I had carefully been stashing over the years - important knowledge like swirl flap removal being done.
Hate just buying a car with a 'stamp in the book'. You can buy a stamp for £4 on EBay!
It's heartbreaking as it really distinguishes those whose car is their P&J versus those that don't. So long as a car is serviced regularly there is nothing history wise to stand it apart in terms of former affection. Hate just buying a car with a 'stamp in the book'. You can buy a stamp for £4 on EBay!
Arriving to find a nice bound wallet with plastic dividers and a thick history of all purchases made me think the car had been cherished if that much care was taken over the bills for the thing.
Shnozz said:
It's heartbreaking as it really distinguishes those whose car is their P&J versus those that don't. So long as a car is serviced regularly there is nothing history wise to stand it apart in terms of former affection.
Arriving to find a nice bound wallet with plastic dividers and a thick history of all purchases made me think the car had been cherished if that much care was taken over the bills for the thing.
Completely agree which is why I have been collating this for my car on the off chance that one day I sell it. It provides a sense of security the car has been cared for.Arriving to find a nice bound wallet with plastic dividers and a thick history of all purchases made me think the car had been cherished if that much care was taken over the bills for the thing.
BiggaJ said:
Shnozz said:
It's heartbreaking as it really distinguishes those whose car is their P&J versus those that don't. So long as a car is serviced regularly there is nothing history wise to stand it apart in terms of former affection.
Arriving to find a nice bound wallet with plastic dividers and a thick history of all purchases made me think the car had been cherished if that much care was taken over the bills for the thing.
Completely agree which is why I have been collating this for my car on the off chance that one day I sell it. It provides a sense of security the car has been cared for.Arriving to find a nice bound wallet with plastic dividers and a thick history of all purchases made me think the car had been cherished if that much care was taken over the bills for the thing.
My father had it from 1990 - 2005 and I had it from 2005 - 2010.
It has been sold subsequently (and recently) with 35000 fewer miles on than it had when it left me which presumably means all the accompanying history has been binned.
GDPR is a clockers dream excuse!
BiggaJ said:
I did get some data from them relating to my car but this was in the form of emails stating what the car had received but it wasn't what I really wanted i.e. a copy of the service sheet detailing work, with car reg. and vin etc. on top with just the previous owners details removed.
As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Tell them to supply the name of the Data Officer as registered with the ICO. Tell them they have no right to refuse a legitimate interest request where the data you are requesting contains redacted or no personal identifiable information. Advise they can help politely or you can raise this further and get you what you need via a legal avenue. As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Chris.
woodsypedia said:
BiggaJ said:
I did get some data from them relating to my car but this was in the form of emails stating what the car had received but it wasn't what I really wanted i.e. a copy of the service sheet detailing work, with car reg. and vin etc. on top with just the previous owners details removed.
As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Tell them to supply the name of the Data Officer as registered with the ICO. Tell them they have no right to refuse a legitimate interest request where the data you are requesting contains redacted or no personal identifiable information. Advise they can help politely or you can raise this further and get you what you need via a legal avenue. As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Chris.
woodsypedia said:
BiggaJ said:
I did get some data from them relating to my car but this was in the form of emails stating what the car had received but it wasn't what I really wanted i.e. a copy of the service sheet detailing work, with car reg. and vin etc. on top with just the previous owners details removed.
As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Tell them to supply the name of the Data Officer as registered with the ICO. Tell them they have no right to refuse a legitimate interest request where the data you are requesting contains redacted or no personal identifiable information. Advise they can help politely or you can raise this further and get you what you need via a legal avenue. As mentioned the independent was the worst, they would not provide me with anything at all, luckily from memory it was some small item that most likely won't matter.
Chris.
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