AMOC in the Armco
Discussion
Jon39 said:
I don't expect many know about the 10% commission, the insurer pays to AMOC.
I've only been a member of AMOC for a few months. Reading through the forum it reads like most other clubs and societies where someone thinks they own the club because they have been in charge for a few years and others with small gentlemen syndrome want to be in charge so get all excited and start throwing around legal disputes. Some people have far too much time on their hands. They need to remember is a car club and get out a drive their vehicles.
Its at the High Cort now. Old guard have locked themselves in the great chamber and refusing to come out.
Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
Loose_Cannon said:
Its at the High Cort now. Old guard have locked themselves in the great chamber and refusing to come out.
Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
As I said before I am not following this so don’t even know what it is about, however, if it’s becoming a legal issue and is a spat between members and who wants to run the sweet shop - who is paying the legal costs - the club or the individuals privately I wonder?Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
oilit said:
Loose_Cannon said:
Its at the High Cort now. Old guard have locked themselves in the great chamber and refusing to come out.
Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
As I said before I am not following this so don’t even know what it is about, however, if it’s becoming a legal issue and is a spat between members and who wants to run the sweet shop - who is paying the legal costs - the club or the individuals privately I wonder?Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
Those who are fighting to get them out are using their own money. A lot of their own money.
Banana republic antics left right and centre....
Unfortunately this is why I steer clear of single marque car clubs. It doesn't seem to matter what car/club it is, there's always loads of politics, snobbery and people forgetting it's supposed to be for a bit of fun. A few of my mates do the whole car club scene and have always had the same experience, from cheaper stuff right up to expensive marques. I briefly toyed with the idea of joining AMOC to get the most out of my original Vantage, but I was 22 at the time and having chatted to some members on their stand at Donington historic that year, I quickly realised it wasn't going to be for me!
On the other hand I joined Supercar Driver a while ago and so far I've been really impressed. Ok, it's expensive, there's a qualifying car list and some of the events are ££££, but there's no airs and graces and as it's such a mixed car club you never really get past 'wow that's a nice colour' or 'I've never seen that spec/car before' as you can't really be a self proclaimed expert in all cars, whereas I guess you can with single marques. It keeps the conversation a little more interesting too...
On the other hand I joined Supercar Driver a while ago and so far I've been really impressed. Ok, it's expensive, there's a qualifying car list and some of the events are ££££, but there's no airs and graces and as it's such a mixed car club you never really get past 'wow that's a nice colour' or 'I've never seen that spec/car before' as you can't really be a self proclaimed expert in all cars, whereas I guess you can with single marques. It keeps the conversation a little more interesting too...
woodsypedia said:
From my perspective, as a fairly young owner, the AMOC is out of touch. it's a legacy old school approach to running a club that's more akin to a committee. Too much politics, not enough presence. The online presence is woful and there's no social interaction or want to bring in new members.
Before folks jump on and tell me that's not how it is - whether people feel it's accurate or irrelevant - the reality is that that's the perception they're presenting to the outside world.
Chris.
100% agree. Its just a car club at the end of the day Before folks jump on and tell me that's not how it is - whether people feel it's accurate or irrelevant - the reality is that that's the perception they're presenting to the outside world.
Chris.
It sounds like power and politics have got in the way.
Edited by www.TheAstonClub.com on Tuesday 27th April 13:17
VanquishRider said:
oilit said:
Loose_Cannon said:
Its at the High Cort now. Old guard have locked themselves in the great chamber and refusing to come out.
Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
As I said before I am not following this so don’t even know what it is about, however, if it’s becoming a legal issue and is a spat between members and who wants to run the sweet shop - who is paying the legal costs - the club or the individuals privately I wonder?Council of Elrond reference above was funny as F, but I prefer to think of the Stoneybridge Town Council from the old TV show "Absolutely" who did a similar trick during a meeting declaring half the room an independant state but forgot to pick the half with the door...
Those who are fighting to get them out are using their own money. A lot of their own money.
Banana republic antics left right and centre....
Probably like many AMOC members, I have no idea what has happened / is happening.
Today though, I received an email talking about the date for a reconvened AGM.
That made me wonder whether the original AGM might have began, but then perhaps was abandoned until reconvened at a later date.
All a mystery. Does anyone want to provide a summary?
IANAL but I think this is perhaps what is going on.
The last AGM was abandoned/closed/adjourned before the results of the CoM votes were announced, as they suspected some voting was unduly influenced. Depending on what that actually happened (adjourned vs abandoned), that means that either the old CoM is still in place, or they aren't.
They will have got legal advice as to the validity of the vote in the meantime. Presumably that says the vote is legal (as they say they will announce the results), even if people have been encouraged to vote in a set way by some possibly underhand and potentially unethical methods.
If the vote is legal, then the old CoM have to announce it and hand over the reins to the new CoM. I suspect this is what the call will be. However, they might declare the results null and void and try to hold another election (though that must be a bit unlikely). That would create a further sh!tstorm of legal battles, I guess. Trying to overturn the election would be bold step but the whole debacle has been a bit "out there".
In short, probably the end of this particular strange episode in the club's history, though I would not be surprised at all if there were more unexpected twists and turns yet to come. It is remarkable and sad how people can get quite so het up about a feckin car club.
The last AGM was abandoned/closed/adjourned before the results of the CoM votes were announced, as they suspected some voting was unduly influenced. Depending on what that actually happened (adjourned vs abandoned), that means that either the old CoM is still in place, or they aren't.
They will have got legal advice as to the validity of the vote in the meantime. Presumably that says the vote is legal (as they say they will announce the results), even if people have been encouraged to vote in a set way by some possibly underhand and potentially unethical methods.
If the vote is legal, then the old CoM have to announce it and hand over the reins to the new CoM. I suspect this is what the call will be. However, they might declare the results null and void and try to hold another election (though that must be a bit unlikely). That would create a further sh!tstorm of legal battles, I guess. Trying to overturn the election would be bold step but the whole debacle has been a bit "out there".
In short, probably the end of this particular strange episode in the club's history, though I would not be surprised at all if there were more unexpected twists and turns yet to come. It is remarkable and sad how people can get quite so het up about a feckin car club.
Bobajobbob said:
...Liked the magazine but that was about it....
You can get the annual yearbook ASTON by belonging just to the Aston Martin Heritage Trust. Edited to say if you have not read it for a few years, the content and look has changed. Far less b/w pre-War material with 1000s of words, and more up-to-date features on subjects such as the development of the V12 and new turbo engines.
Edited by stevewak on Thursday 29th April 07:53
Dewi 2 said:
Probably like many AMOC members, I have no idea what has happened / is happening.
Today though, I received an email talking about the date for a reconvened AGM.
That made me wonder whether the original AGM might have began, but then perhaps was abandoned until reconvened at a later date.
All a mystery. Does anyone want to provide a summary?
This has dragged on so long it seems logical to provide a timeline.
17th March Last date for receipt of votes
21st March S African votes arrive and M Aylott reports “irregularities” to Chairman but these are mainly about Australian votes.
25th March Chairman receives legal advice stating “…I can't recommend delaying/suspending/cancelling the announcement of the votes.
26th March Chairman calls and Emergency CoM meeting and the CoM vote to delay/suspend/cancel the announcement of the vote.
27th March AGM. No votes announced. Meeting dissolved despite claims of adjournment.
28th March Ex-Chairman shares full written legal advice of 25th March with Directors.
1st April Capital Law provides Mrs Reed with a 6 page letter explaining legal position
7th April Letter receipt acknowledged by A Reed lawyers.
14th April In absence of any reply, 2nd Capital Law letter to Reed etc setting out process to resolve the matter and asking for undertakings. Warns that High Court action will follow.
15th April Mrs Reed receives legal “guidance” from Company solicitors (DWF) based on factually inaccurate assertions by whoever instructed DWF. DWF confirm that votes should stand, exactly as they did on 25th March.
16th April Process and Undertakings sought by Plaintiffs on 14th April refused.
19th April Mediation Meeting organised by third parties. Mrs Reed etc refuse to attend.
21st April High Court writ issued.
22nd April Mrs Reed’s solicitor writes saying vote will be released and court case unnecessary.
22nd April Plaintiff Directors receive DWF advice of 15th April and identify “factually inaccurate assertions” on which the DWF advice in relation to “who are the CoM” is based.
23rd April DWF asked to revisit their advice in relation to factual inaccuracy and provided with evidence. As at 28th April two excuses and no reply.
26th April Mrs Reed and “old CoM” hold a “CoM” meeting and unanimously agree to release the vote on 6th May. Given High Court action, Directors; M Donoghue, D Such, P Saglietti, W Griffiths and R Furse cannot attend an illegal meeting .M Donoghue says so and is kicked out.
27/28th April Company sends out messages on Facebook, website and via E mail advising of “adjourned” CoM meeting on 6th May to announce Election results..
11th May High Court hearing of case unless agreement reached on “consent agreement” to be ratified by the court and costs.
As noted earlier in the thread, it's time to send in Jackie Weaver, who definitely has the authority.
It's a great shame the club is in the mess it's in, but it seems unsurprising - while at a local level, the area leads are fantastic, it seems that at the high table, it's like a hybrid of Game of Thrones and Fawlty Towers now.
It's a great shame the club is in the mess it's in, but it seems unsurprising - while at a local level, the area leads are fantastic, it seems that at the high table, it's like a hybrid of Game of Thrones and Fawlty Towers now.
stevewak said:
You can get the annual yearbook ASTON by belonging just to the Aston Martin Heritage Trust.
Edited to say if you have not read it for a few years, the content and look has changed. Far less b/w pre-War material with 1000s of words, and more up-to-date features on subjects such as the development of the V12 and new turbo engines.
Thanks I'll check it out.Edited to say if you have not read it for a few years, the content and look has changed. Far less b/w pre-War material with 1000s of words, and more up-to-date features on subjects such as the development of the V12 and new turbo engines.
Edited by stevewak on Thursday 29th April 07:53
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