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ds666 said:
... What makes me laugh is someone who has a standard V8 , tuning it and then going on about how " now that it is 450bhp I don't know why you'd want anymore " 
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...Someone actually reads my posts !
I plead guilty. Yes it was me.
However, unbelievably, I do have a logical explanation.
I did not go in to a workshop asking for more power. OEM is fine for me.
My request was purely for a little louder soundtrack.
When the engineers increase the glorious sound, it seems that you have to have faster flowing gasses and therefore more power.
I enjoy using power, but am repeatedly made conscious, that it is an unfortunate (legal) all too brief experience.
The points (for 3 years) and fine is one aspect, but for anyone owning several cars, insurers often want extra premiums for every car, and not just for 3 years, they want 5 years. Therefore the total extra insurance premiums for speeding, can be far more than the original fine. Having a long clean insurance record, I hate giving them extra money. Hence my discipline.
Was my defence any good ?
Have to agree - the opportunities to drive like I did in my youth (albeit in much lower powered cars) are severely restricted. Many of the restrictions come from speed cameras, increased traffic etc but also from a much improved sense of not acting like a knob. I do put my foot down from time to time and enjoy the car, but sensibility seems to prevail these days.
Also, we're Aston drivers, so have an innate sense of decorum, which is probably why you don't see and Astons on the Supercar Fails videos on Youtube. Plenty of Lambos though.
Also, we're Aston drivers, so have an innate sense of decorum, which is probably why you don't see and Astons on the Supercar Fails videos on Youtube. Plenty of Lambos though.
Dewi 2 said:
ds666 said:
... What makes me laugh is someone who has a standard V8 , tuning it and then going on about how " now that it is 450bhp I don't know why you'd want anymore " ...
...Someone actually reads my posts !
I plead guilty. Yes it was me.
However, unbelievably, I do have a logical explanation.
I did not go in to a workshop asking for more power. OEM is fine for me.
My request was purely for a little louder soundtrack.
When the engineers increase the glorious sound, it seems that you have to have faster flowing gasses and therefore more power.
I enjoy using power, but am repeatedly made conscious, that it is an unfortunate (legal) all too brief experience.
The points (for 3 years) and fine is one aspect, but for anyone owning several cars, insurers often want extra premiums for every car, and not just for 3 years, they want 5 years. Therefore the total extra insurance premiums for speeding, can be far more than the original fine. Having a long clean insurance record, I hate giving them extra money. Hence my discipline.
Was my defence any good ?
JonnyCJ said:
Also, we're Aston drivers, so have an innate sense of decorum, which is probably why you don't see and Astons on the Supercar Fails videos on Youtube. Plenty of Lambos though.
Lambos, Ferraris & McLaren`s seem by far the most numerous in those videos! "Look at me, look at me... oh that`s right, I can`t drive."Mr.Tremlini said:
JonnyCJ said:
Also, we're Aston drivers, so have an innate sense of decorum, which is probably why you don't see and Astons on the Supercar Fails videos on Youtube. Plenty of Lambos though.
Lambos, Ferraris & McLaren`s seem by far the most numerous in those videos! "Look at me, look at me... oh that`s right, I can`t drive."phumy said:
johnymac said:
I agree with Dewi on the power available.
I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
What im reading here is that all V12 ownes with around 600bhp are going to ruin it for everyone else, amazing how its only V8 owners who have this thought or reasoning. Come on get a grip, your every day Ford Focus can reach 130mph or even 150mph is a warm one, and your Lotus Elise is just as quick and could have your licence relieved from you by Plod. You dont have to put your foot down from 50mph and be at 100mph, you have the control, its not something that automatically happens without your input.I had a 2007 roadster with 380bhp. So, the slowest and least capable of the previous generation Vantage, and it was always an object lesson on restraint. Amble along at 50mph or so, I put my foot down and in no time at all I am at 100mph and way beyond. The car felt and sounded great but it would have cost me my license if I was not careful. How people can use 600bhp / 700bhp on the road is beyond me. Maybe a Vantage geared more acceleration rather than top speed might be more fun to use. Say 130mph top speed and 0-100 in 8 seconds.130mph is still way more than you could ever use safely on the road. Who uses or needs 175mph (in the slowest car in the whole range)?
I have a Lotus Elise that I thrash about in and while I can still do silly speeds in it, I can also have real fun at sensible speeds. I really think that when driving, acceleration, braking and quick direction changes are more useful and rewarding than the top speed.
I am not saying this as some fun killing pedant. I love cars and I love driving fast - often faster than I should, but there are illegal speeds and there are really dangerous speeds. Modern cars do such a wonderful job of insulating us from the rest of the environment that we often don't get any feedback from them until we are at triple digit speeds. Give these cars 600+ bhp and we have a whole load of pointless cars.
I guess it won't end until speed restrictors are fitted to all new cars - which will ruin things for all of us.
About the government-mandated speed limiters, what a sad and ridiculous thing. If they want to save lives, go after the texters! I have to say I'm amazed that there hasn't been more pushback from the public, especially the enthusiast public, as well as from the manufacturers. I'm in the US, and I think there'd be a lot more vocal opposition to it. I hope it's a long time before we find out. Oh, and I will NEVER buy a car that has it's speed controlled that way.
I can find fun in many cars, but not many cars can give me that feeling for a long time.
I had a in between car a while ago, a Daihatsu Cuore, 3 cill :-) it made a lovely sound and felt fast, it was fun flooring it while not going fast on short distances (not much fun on a highway though) it felt like doing 140 while doing 50 or so
this thing, and ow, I mounted a carbon filter system on it, made it even more fun.
on some faster roads a car with more muscles can be fun, say when needed to pas a car, just floor it and the rollercoaster feeling/smile come on.
I like cars with lots of torque at low speed, like say a TVR Griffith V8, even when driving slowly, lots of sound and good vibes you feel.
Another time I was at a classics car dealer, some you might know, Oldenzaal classics in NL with many nice BMW they restore some also.
anyways, I was there to look at a 2002 and he said, I like such car, pointing at a old BMW 3.0 S a big car with manual, it was not a restored car, but he said, just drive it, see if you also get it.
I drove it and it was back to the 70-tish haha, high tire walls, soft suspension, not a perfect gearbox, but I was smiling and thinking, ow... this is fun in some way, very strange, not that I would buy, I like the more sport cars, but I could see why people like it to do trips and club car trips with such, very relaxed I must say.
I had a in between car a while ago, a Daihatsu Cuore, 3 cill :-) it made a lovely sound and felt fast, it was fun flooring it while not going fast on short distances (not much fun on a highway though) it felt like doing 140 while doing 50 or so
this thing, and ow, I mounted a carbon filter system on it, made it even more fun.on some faster roads a car with more muscles can be fun, say when needed to pas a car, just floor it and the rollercoaster feeling/smile come on.
I like cars with lots of torque at low speed, like say a TVR Griffith V8, even when driving slowly, lots of sound and good vibes you feel.
Another time I was at a classics car dealer, some you might know, Oldenzaal classics in NL with many nice BMW they restore some also.
anyways, I was there to look at a 2002 and he said, I like such car, pointing at a old BMW 3.0 S a big car with manual, it was not a restored car, but he said, just drive it, see if you also get it.
I drove it and it was back to the 70-tish haha, high tire walls, soft suspension, not a perfect gearbox, but I was smiling and thinking, ow... this is fun in some way, very strange, not that I would buy, I like the more sport cars, but I could see why people like it to do trips and club car trips with such, very relaxed I must say.
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