Can Aston Martin Survive in the Electric Vehicle Era?
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Jon39 said:
ds666 said:
That's not a problem with EV's just typical poor government related project management and delivery .
Exactly and something that even a 5 year old could anticipate.
I wonder if they might avoid such embarrassing situations, by putting more effort into effective management and less time being obsessed with referendums.
It was recently reported, that the people on a couple of islands are very low on food stocks, because the state run ferry is not running !
On PH it appears that anyone who buys / leases an EV has to sign some sort of contract that they must daily tell all and sundry how wonderful they are, how fast they are, how much better than an ICE they are, how quiet they are blah blah blah.
Fair enough if people like them then great but they need to take a break from shoving THEIR views down everyones neck at every available opportunity.
Personally I see an EV as completely soulless and to be honest I'd rather walk.
Fair enough if people like them then great but they need to take a break from shoving THEIR views down everyones neck at every available opportunity.
Personally I see an EV as completely soulless and to be honest I'd rather walk.
Jon39 said:
I spoke to the owner of a new hybrid car.
He thought he was finished with buying petrol for his motoring, but disappointed when he discovered that was not true.
The car was sold to him as a self charging electric car. There do seem to be more and more adverts using this phrase, giving the impression that charging is somehow done automatically, by the car itself. No more plugging in to charge.
We know what mild hybrid means, but non car enthusiasts have no idea.
Will this be another class action in a few years time?
https://electrek.co/2020/01/24/toyota-self-chargin...
NMNeil said:
Jon39 said:
I spoke to the owner of a new hybrid car.
He thought he was finished with buying petrol for his motoring, but disappointed when he discovered that was not true.
The car was sold to him as a self charging electric car. There do seem to be more and more adverts using this phrase, giving the impression that charging is somehow done automatically, by the car itself. No more plugging in to charge.
We know what mild hybrid means, but non car enthusiasts have no idea.
Will this be another class action in a few years time?
https://electrek.co/2020/01/24/toyota-self-chargin...
SpeckledJim said:
The term is unhelpful and misleading. But surely nobody is so monumentally idiotic as to think their new car doesn’t need any form of fuel or energy.
You may be surprised, but there are plenty of dozy people around.
It is the same people, who when told that gullible has been removed from the latest edition of the Oxford Englush Dictionary, believe it.
To be fair though, some car salesmen describe the self charging system, as being the same as on Formula One cars. That confuses the idiot buyers, because they noticed a few years ago that F1 cars would have to stop at the pits to be refuelled. Now with the self charging systems, they never see stops for fuel, only for fresh tyres.
Interesting that what I thought was just a misleading and clever advertising phrase, has been banned in Norway. Presumably they must feel, that their own idiots must be protected.
SpeckledJim said:
The term is unhelpful and misleading. But surely nobody is so monumentally idiotic as to think their new car doesn’t need any form of fuel or energy.
Well.... now that you mention it...It's not very far from the scenario you describe to the religious fervour of the climate change brigade who would shut down the use of fossil fuels overnight in addition to all the nuclear plants, if they could, because wind, sunlight, and unicorn farts are the future. It's the same sort of people who think that anything the government gives them is 'free', without realizing their wallets have been emptied - again.
moktabe said:
On PH it appears that anyone who buys / leases an EV has to sign some sort of contract that they must daily tell all and sundry how wonderful they are, how fast they are, how much better than an ICE they are, how quiet they are blah blah blah.
Fair enough if people like them then great but they need to take a break from shoving THEIR views down everyones neck at every available opportunity.
Personally I see an EV as completely soulless and to be honest I'd rather walk.
As long as you are allowed you view that’s ok . Fair enough if people like them then great but they need to take a break from shoving THEIR views down everyones neck at every available opportunity.
Personally I see an EV as completely soulless and to be honest I'd rather walk.
Jon39 said:
It is the same people, who when told that gullible has been removed from the latest edition of the Oxford Englush Dictionary, believe it.
Good grief, I remember testing that on a fellow 5th former! (and it worked!)I was staggered when a perfectly intelligent friend of mine (legal profession but from liberal family) thought you could power a car just by putting solar panels in the roof.
Do you remember hearing the comments, that electric cars would gradually become much cheaper, in a similar way to personal computers and mobile phones.
I was not convinced by that reasoning, simply because the large battery forms a significant proportion of the total cost of the car and the those batteries contain various metals, which are continually freely traded in the world markets. Therefore, there is no certainty that the cost of those metals will decline.
I have just read about a small electric car called Honda-e. It is a 2 door super mini, the price now is £37,000.
Almost the same cost as a new (petrol) BMW 3 Series.
We are told to be 'green', so had better try to squeeze the family into the Honda.
On second thoughts though, perhaps.....
Do you think, EVs might continue to be driven, by the upper and middle classes, owners of driveways and charging points ?
Other motorists being permanently left out, because of the prohibitive cost.
What happens then after 2030 ?
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 25th August 16:43
Jon39 said:
Do you think, EVs might continue to be driven, by the upper and middle classes, owners of driveways and charging points ?
Other motorists being permanently left out, because of the prohibitive cost.
What happens then after 2030 ?
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 25th August 16:43
Or in the real world, we'll barely have enough electricity to keep the lights on this winter, the idea of charging up 32.9m UK vehicles every night is a complete fantasy when we currently have only 477,000 EV's and 790,000 PHEV's. I predict a U turn.
Jon39 said:
Do you remember hearing the comments, that electric cars would gradually become much cheaper, in a similar way to personal computers and mobile phones.
I was not convinced by that reasoning, simply because the large battery forms a significant proportion of the total cost of the car and the those batteries contain various metals, which are continually freely traded in the world markets. Therefore, there is no certainty that the cost of those metals will decline.
I have just read about a small electric car called Honda-e. It is a 2 door super mini, the price now is £37,000.
Almost the same cost as a new (petrol) BMW 3 Series.
We are told to be 'green', so had better try to squeeze the family into the Honda.
On second thoughts though, perhaps.....
Do you think, EVs might continue to be driven, by the upper and middle classes, owners of driveways and charging points ?
Other motorists being permanently left out, because of the prohibitive cost.
What happens then after 2030 ?
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 25th August 16:43
normal EVs are barely any more expensive than a similar ICE.
A used 2014 Nissan Leaf starts from about £6000. Once getting a new EV is the norm for the people who buy brand new cars, then the funnel of used cars will gradually fill up with them, and normal-ish service will be resumed in the used market.
GT3ZZZ said:
Jon39 said:
Do you think, EVs might continue to be driven, by the upper and middle classes, owners of driveways and charging points ?
Other motorists being permanently left out, because of the prohibitive cost.
What happens then after 2030 ?
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 25th August 16:43
Or in the real world, we'll barely have enough electricity to keep the lights on this winter, the idea of charging up 32.9m UK vehicles every night is a complete fantasy when we currently have only 477,000 EV's and 790,000 PHEV's. I predict a U turn.
AstonV said:
Wait till they ban gasoline. I can see that coming down the pike.
Closer than you think.https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-r...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/climate/califor...
quench said:
SpeckledJim said:
14 Nissan Leaf starts from about £6000.
I wonder how much battery life is left in the typical, 8 year old Nissan Leaf?As a percentage of that 6,000 pounds, what is the cost of a replacement battery?
About 60 miles. Which suits some people ALL the time, and most people most of the time.
We no longer buy petrol from the pharmacy in 1 litre tins. Because the world adapted to suit the needs of the motorist.
We’re in the middle of the next big change at the moment. Fear not. It’ll be fine.
NMNeil said:
Closer than you think.
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-r...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/climate/califor...
LA has banned new gas stations as well. Maybe they will ban cars, make room for more homeless camps. https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-r...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/climate/califor...
quench said:
I wonder how much battery life is left in the typical, 8 year old Nissan Leaf?
As a percentage of that 6,000 pounds, what is the cost of a replacement battery?
As a percentage of that 6,000 pounds, what is the cost of a replacement battery?
I know little about electric cars, just enough to realise, that I won't be a 'first adopter'.
If you have battery failure (as some have) on an 8 year old Mercedes E-Class hybrid, be ready to have the car scrapped. Uneconomic repair. Petrol/diesel versions can live not just for 8 years, but decades.
For a Nissan Leaf though, I believe a battery replacement is much simpler and cheaper to do, so they can live on for a second life.
Think there is a YouTube video showing a Leaf battery being changed.
It must presumably depend on battery cost and where it is located in the car.
AstonV said:
LA has banned new gas stations as well. Maybe they will ban cars, make room for more homeless camps.
Have they still got the ban on the prosecution of shop lifters, who only steal up to a few hundred dollars worth of goods.
Who made that decision? Saves having to pay for shopping I suppose and you can do the stealing openly, without the need for oversized secret coat pockets.
If you need to exceed the prosecution limit, you go back later, because the limit is per visit.
Cannot believe this story can be true.
Do you still have any shops trading in California?
Jon39 said:
quench said:
I wonder how much battery life is left in the typical, 8 year old Nissan Leaf?
As a percentage of that 6,000 pounds, what is the cost of a replacement battery?
As a percentage of that 6,000 pounds, what is the cost of a replacement battery?
I know little about electric cars, just enough to realise, that I won't be a 'first adopter'.
If you have battery failure (as some have) on an 8 year old Mercedes E-Class hybrid, be ready to have the car scrapped. Uneconomic repair. Petrol/diesel versions can live not just for 8 years, but decades.
For a Nissan Leaf though, I believe a battery replacement is much simpler and cheaper to do, so they can live on for a second life.
Think there is a YouTube video showing a Leaf battery being changed.
It must presumably depend on battery cost and where it is located in the car.
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