Can Aston Martin Survive in the Electric Vehicle Era?
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What I would say, and do so without the slightest hope or intention to win over anyone to the pro-ICE lobby, and irrespective of whether Boris and his like or their paid advisers have any understanding at all of the forces which govern our climate (which I seriously doubt) anyone buying an electric car is investing in the early stages of developmental technology with rapid obsolescence, modest chances of long term success, and, once we have learned to see through the greenwash, with devastating environmental consequences far more immediate than supposed CO2 in the atmosphere. But, then, you pay your money and you take your choice.
People buying an EV , as I see it, do it for the same motivations as people buying and ICEV. It gives them satisfaction, though via different routes. I’m sure that it is no more scientific than that.
People buying an EV , as I see it, do it for the same motivations as people buying and ICEV. It gives them satisfaction, though via different routes. I’m sure that it is no more scientific than that.
ExecutiveAction said:
It seems that you are either an EV enthusiast or you are not. You know what side of the fence I am on. Why you would want a car with half the effective range and an extra 400kg of batteries just beats me.
I suppose, because in a few years time, you wont have a choice if you want a new car ?That depends, I suppose, whether we live in a capitalist society where we strive to prosper by supplying the wants and needs of others, or a communist society, where we get what we are given and told to be grateful for it. People seem to have forgotten where command economies run on political dogma always end up. I recommend a book called ‘In Siberia’ by Colin Thubron.
ks.ExecutiveAction said:
That depends, I suppose, whether we live in a capitalist society where we strive to prosper by supplying the wants and needs of others, or a communist society, where we get what we are given and told to be grateful for it. People seem to have forgotten where command economies run on political dogma always end up. I recommend a book called ‘In Siberia’ by Colin Thubron.
ErrrrOk
ExecutiveAction said:
That depends, I suppose, whether we live in a capitalist society where we strive to prosper by supplying the wants and needs of others, or a communist society, where we get what we are given and told to be grateful for it. People seem to have forgotten where command economies run on political dogma always end up. I recommend a book called ‘In Siberia’ by Colin Thubron.
By your logic we would still be sending tiny kids up chimneys, and paving over acres of green land to build coal fired power stations.I know nothing about the science of weather, but I am intelligent enough to read a graph of global temperatures, and to realise that the majority of scientists are on balance likely to be correct.
Rather than advising others to read a book, you should perhaps look at the news occasionally and see what is actually happening today.
pschlute said:
Rather than advising others to read a book, you should perhaps look at the news occasionally and see what is actually happening today.
Because we all know the news presents us with the most accurate, least biased account. Certainly more in depth and well-researched than those stupid books, anyway.ExecutiveAction said:
That depends, I suppose, whether we live in a capitalist society where we strive to prosper by supplying the wants and needs of others, or a communist society, where we get what we are given and told to be grateful for it. People seem to have forgotten where command economies run on political dogma always end up. I recommend a book called ‘In Siberia’ by Colin Thubron.
Eh - I want a new car that has pop up headlights, no seatbelts and no indicators, but I can drive on the road. Damn communist government won't let me.
pschlute said:
Not from coal in the UK at least. It produces less than 2% of our electricity demand, and in 2 years time will be none as the three remaining stations close.
I have just had a look out of interest, at how electricity is being generated now
Coal = 1% (You are right, hardly any coal generation these days.)
Burning Gas = 44%
Solar = 0% ( Dawn, still a little gloomy)
Wind = 10% (Must be some wind out at sea.. None here now.)
At least the kind to the environment, emissions free electric cars, are only 44% polluters at present.
Well maybe that is a start, I suppose.
pschlute said:
By your logic we would still be sending tiny kids up chimneys, and paving over acres of green land to build coal fired power stations.
I know nothing about the science of weather, but I am intelligent enough to read a graph of global temperatures, and to realise that the majority of scientists are on balance likely to be correct.
Rather than advising others to read a book, you should perhaps look at the news occasionally and see what is actually happening today.
People seem to have forgotten that this planet came out of an ice age, and it may be trite but still true to observe that was not because the Neanderthals developed a Ferrari habit. We live in a dynamic environment, always have and always will. What matters is how we adapt to it, and that we do not damage it. I referred to deforestation and pollution, which are causing real harm, but nobody does anything about it. I am happy to use an electric car around town, it makes sense, and may improve the environment. What would improve the environment a great deal more would be to do something about the major polluters, by which I mean buses and trucks. But the one is the council controlled, and being a public sector body is of course above criticism, while the other is controlled by the transport lobby, who finance the political parties and therefore can do what they like. Heavy transport is NOT subject to the forthcoming ICE ban. I know nothing about the science of weather, but I am intelligent enough to read a graph of global temperatures, and to realise that the majority of scientists are on balance likely to be correct.
Rather than advising others to read a book, you should perhaps look at the news occasionally and see what is actually happening today.
With regard to scientists, they have something in common with you and me, they work for a living, not out of altruism. Therefore they are paid to say what they say. You try to get funding for a Ph.D thesis that contradicts the climate change agenda, you won’t get it, I guarantee.
I watch the news, with increasing amusement. They publicise what suits them and not what doesn’t. I am a fair age now and I cannot remember a time when the news, particularly the BBC news, was so obviously distorted to suit the agenda. It is vitally important to do your own research, and look at everything critically, which I try to do. I see, incidentally, that the RAF are now carrying out bombing strikes against ‘IS in Afghanistan’. Who is bothered about the environmental impact of the bombs, never mind that of the colossally expensive aircraft? No-one, it seems. That’s not a problem. Quite apart from the fact that we don’t seem to have learnt that we can’t bomb people into agreeing with us, and blowing up villages is a great way to stir up, not eliminate, terrorism.
You may buy an impractical electric car at huge cost because you want to help the environment (ignoring the continuing serious environmental catastrophe which is the mining of nickel and lithium) but if you want to control the earth’s climate like many generations before you, I suggest that you strip naked, paint yourself blue, and dance round Stonehenge at the winter solstice. It will do quite as much good, and all it will cost you is your dignity.
Back to Aston Martin, though. This morning an electric Evoque whined past me with all the charisma of a golf buggy. An electric Aston Martin would do exactly the same, it’s appearance made ludicrous because it has the external appearance of a luxury Sports/GT car. AM can’t survive that, it’s not possible.
Edited by ExecutiveAction on Saturday 4th September 14:02
pschlute said:
By your logic we would still be sending tiny kids up chimneys.....
We still do send tiny kids up chimneys, or as good as, but because it is not happening in your drawing room, you choose to ignore it. Where do you think those incredibly expensive and non-CO2 producing bombs I mentioned are going? Some heroic ‘surgical strike’, do you imagine?ExecutiveAction said:
People seem to have forgotten that this planet came out of an ice age, and it may be trite but still true to observe that was not because the Neanderthals developed a Ferrari habit. We live in a dynamic environment
We live in an environment of ever increasing population. Anyone who remembers pre-covid and held a house party will recall folk saying "its hot in here , shall we open a window?"Population is growing at an unsustainable rate, and it is warming the planet both through physical size and industrialisation. No politician will say this of course because it is an unpleasant truth.
The ice age was a long time ago and estimates of the human population at the time range from 10,000 to 600 worldwide. To compare it to today is inane.
Edited by pschlute on Saturday 4th September 20:20
ExecutiveAction said:
We still do send tiny kids up chimneys, or as good as
No, in the the west we do not. We banned it in England 146 years ago.ExecutiveAction said:
but because it is not happening in your drawing room, you choose to ignore it. Where do you think those incredibly expensive and non-CO2 producing bombs I mentioned are going? Some heroic ‘surgical strike’, do you imagine?
I think Ivan, you need to complain to your handler about the quality of the translating program the Kremlin have provided to you. Very few of us in the UK have "drawing rooms" any more. Your language might have given Lord Grantham or Lord Peter Whimsey cause to pause, but to modern Britons we see you for the charlatan you are.Interesting post from Jason Camissa on IG. Seems Italy might be fighting the EU to exempt their supercar brands from the 2035 ICE ban.
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