Can Aston Martin Survive in the Electric Vehicle Era?
Discussion
Hedged said:
Coal-fired electricity generation you say? Why yes that is the conundrum, but count on the Western press to remain doggedly delusional.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-ene...
Isn’t China just a “developing” country! They don’t need to follow the rules set by the “elite”. Who are also exempt. https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-ene...
cptsideways said:
Hedged said:
Almost 90,000 EV cars ordered the first day.... to be made by Xiaomi, a Chinese consumer electronics company.
https://insideevs.com/news/714595/xiaomi-su7-ev-so...
Just gives you some idea how big the Chinese car market really is. https://insideevs.com/news/714595/xiaomi-su7-ev-so...
Hedged said:
Almost 90,000 EV cars ordered the first day.... to be made by Xiaomi, a Chinese consumer electronics company.
Reminds me of a British consumer electronics company that introduced a car.
However there is a difference. They did not get 90,000 orders on the first day, in fact it was a flop.
The few sold though, later became valuable collectors items.
Expect you can guess the name of that car.
What happens if all 90,000 Xiaomis arrive at a charging station together?
The Chinese Hally Hill might say, "Flight".
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This is a site some of you may like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map - its pretty cool when the sun shines and you can see countries going to 100% renewables ]
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Interesting that the big green blob in the middle is , I’m sure I’ve seen on some other reports in the recent past , as also most in danger of power cuts if supplies of gas and oil are restricted (to this region), so Green for eco friendly on one map, Amber for danger in another
. You can do anything you want with data….
The Sutton railway station e-bike fire was brought to my attention (presumably the rider intended to take his bike on to a train - where the consequences could have been horrific).
(SHORT VIDEOS)
https://news.sky.com/video/moment-e-bike-bursts-in...
I then discovered further similar incidents;
https://news.sky.com/video/london-e-bike-catches-f...
https://news.sky.com/video/man-fleeing-e-bike-fire...
I did not look any further, but how common are unexpected and sudden, lithium battery fires ?
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 7th April 19:18
Jon39 said:
The present windy weather in the UK, might have created a 'net-zero' record.
The electricity demand now, is being met by 75.6% renewable generation.
And because renewables are the cheapest form of energy, or so they tell us, all our electricity bills will be falling by 75%, right?The electricity demand now, is being met by 75.6% renewable generation.
Oh.
The magical thinking and 'new math' involved in green energy schemes, including electric vehicles, continues to amaze.
These people really want us to believe that we can have a free lunch, have our cake and eat it, etc.
In Canada, Mr. Trudeau's government has been forcing their carbon tax down our throats since they assumed power. "It's the best way to reduce emissions" they tell us; "all the most progressive and smartest countries are doing it". And better yet, it results in a net financial GAIN for the average citizen, they trumpet. This is because the government sends citizens rebate cheques several times a year, which they state will add up to more than an average family pays in carbon tax. In coming to this fascinating and brilliant mathematical deduction, they completely ignore two rather inconvenient factors:
1. The lion's share of the carbon tax is paid by corporations (a good thing says the government, as the corps are the biggest emitters). How do corporations respond? They pass on this expense to citizens in the form of higher prices. Oops...
2. Unfortunately this wonderful scheme of moving money around, taking with one hand and giving back with the other requires rather a large and expensive new layer of bureaucracy. This of course, is funded by the citizenry. Oops...
Meanwhile, any reduction in Canadian emissions makes ZERO meaningful difference on the global front, but it sure kills our standard of living.
What would make a REAL difference, with a side benefit of properly boosting our economy instead of kneecapping it? Selling our abundant natural gas to high emitting nations currently burning coal. But according to Mr. Trudeau there is "no business case" for such sales. Unreal...
These people really want us to believe that we can have a free lunch, have our cake and eat it, etc.
In Canada, Mr. Trudeau's government has been forcing their carbon tax down our throats since they assumed power. "It's the best way to reduce emissions" they tell us; "all the most progressive and smartest countries are doing it". And better yet, it results in a net financial GAIN for the average citizen, they trumpet. This is because the government sends citizens rebate cheques several times a year, which they state will add up to more than an average family pays in carbon tax. In coming to this fascinating and brilliant mathematical deduction, they completely ignore two rather inconvenient factors:
1. The lion's share of the carbon tax is paid by corporations (a good thing says the government, as the corps are the biggest emitters). How do corporations respond? They pass on this expense to citizens in the form of higher prices. Oops...
2. Unfortunately this wonderful scheme of moving money around, taking with one hand and giving back with the other requires rather a large and expensive new layer of bureaucracy. This of course, is funded by the citizenry. Oops...
Meanwhile, any reduction in Canadian emissions makes ZERO meaningful difference on the global front, but it sure kills our standard of living.
What would make a REAL difference, with a side benefit of properly boosting our economy instead of kneecapping it? Selling our abundant natural gas to high emitting nations currently burning coal. But according to Mr. Trudeau there is "no business case" for such sales. Unreal...
Edited by quench on Monday 8th April 01:43
Edited by quench on Monday 8th April 01:44
Jon39 said:
The Sutton railway station e-bike fire was brought to my attention (presumably the rider intended to take his bike on to a train - where the consequences could have been horrific).
(SHORT VIDEOS)
https://news.sky.com/video/moment-e-bike-bursts-in...
I then discovered further similar incidents;
https://news.sky.com/video/london-e-bike-catches-f...
https://news.sky.com/video/man-fleeing-e-bike-fire...
I did not look any further, but how common are unexpected and sudden, lithium battery fires ?
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 7th April 19:18
Years ago, China encouraged western motor manufacturers to form Chinese joint ventures.
The Chinese watched and learnt.
Chinese car manufacturers are now turning their attention to western markets.
Unlike the pompously named Skoda Superb, one of Geely's subsidiaries Zeekr, is aiming for others to award them luxury status.
Even though employing only a few more people than Aston Martin, they now produce 500 cars every day.
AML build about 23 cars each day.
Should western car manufacturers be worried ?
REVIEW
https://youtu.be/5aD-tRzUV6w?si=6rUsrweasl7kvElf
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 28th April 14:15
Jon39 said:
Even though employing only a few more people than Aston Martin, they now produce 500 cars every day.
AML build about 23 cars each day.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 28th April 14:15
A fancy restaurant with more staff sells far fewer meals but the food is more expensive and of much better quality.
When I started this topic, my initial thoughts in answer to the topic title, was wondering how many customers would want to buy a beautiful Aston Martin sports car, but which makes a sound like an electric train. A sound that is associated with everyday transport, rather than an occasion.
Now, more than two years on;
1. Aston Martin are now saying, that they want to continue making petrol engine cars for as long as is permitted. Their customers have apparently spoken.
2. There are now signs that the Chinese electric car industry, are very serious about selling huge numbers of cars around the world.
Those of a certain age have witnessed a similar situation before, when companies with unknown names, began selling motor bikes in the Great Britain. The comment was, "Who will ever want something called Honda or Yamaha, when a Royal Enfield, Norton, BSA, Matchless or Triumph, are so much better and they are British too."
We soon found out what happened.
This time there is an additional problem, because the state backed manufacturers might receive 'help', to making their initial export prices extra appealing.
Aston Martin does have one huge selling advantage though and that is the power of their brand.
Should the other established car manufacturers be worried?
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