V12 vantage official

[LTP]

AstonMartinLagonda said:

You'll hear it before you see it. #NeverLeaveQuietly

Well there's an interesting post. And poster.

[Minglar]

AdamV12V said:

Minglar said:

I think it’s 299 units, priced at £265,000 without options in the U.K. I’m sure someone posted that in one of the AM Facebook groups towards the end of September, and I think I posted it in the other thread that was running on here at the time.

Let’s hope AM sell them all and the demand is there.

Have any U.K. based posters on here ordered one?

If so, are you able to confirm the number of units and the price, or is that prohibited under the AM disclosure rules?

I have not ordered one, as I said "thanks, but no thanks" when called by my dealer offering me one a couple of weeks ago, but I can confirm that I was told that it is 299 units and £265k + options (inc VAT) in the UK. Likely to be around £300k (inc VAT) fully specced up of course.

I am aware of one UK person who has said they have a deposit down on one of the whatsapp groups I am a member of.

Thanks Adam

Looks like we may know the tag line they are going to use when it’s officially unveiled too! I have a feeling it’s going to be a corker. Possibly the most exciting car from AM for a long time. Fingers crossed.

Best Regards

Minglar

[cayman-black]

Minglar said:

AdamV12V said:

Minglar said:

I think it’s 299 units, priced at £265,000 without options in the U.K. I’m sure someone posted that in one of the AM Facebook groups towards the end of September, and I think I posted it in the other thread that was running on here at the time.

Let’s hope AM sell them all and the demand is there.

Have any U.K. based posters on here ordered one?

If so, are you able to confirm the number of units and the price, or is that prohibited under the AM disclosure rules?

I have not ordered one, as I said "thanks, but no thanks" when called by my dealer offering me one a couple of weeks ago, but I can confirm that I was told that it is 299 units and £265k + options (inc VAT) in the UK. Likely to be around £300k (inc VAT) fully specced up of course.

I am aware of one UK person who has said they have a deposit down on one of the whatsapp groups I am a member of.

Thanks Adam

Looks like we may know the tag line they are going to use when it’s officially unveiled too! I have a feeling it’s going to be a corker. Possibly the most exciting car from AM for a long time. Fingers crossed.

Best Regards

Minglar

Thanks Adam so we now know the figures. IMO this is an overpriced car i mean you can get a Ferrari 812 amongst others at this price.
It better be brilliant and i do hope it is.

[Beckson]

I'd probably stretch to an 812 GTS...

Are there any official photos or leaked images of it without camo on ?

[Minglar]

Beckson said:

I'd probably stretch to an 812 GTS...

Are there any official photos or leaked images of it without camo on ?

Not that I am aware of, but someone on here may know differently. Of course, firm buyers have probably seen something, but as is the case nowadays, cameras, phones etc are all forbidden, and if anyone who gets a preview releases exact images before the official reveal, I suspect they won’t be invited to buy another car. Wasn’t there an unfortunate situation before DB11 was officially released? I suspect AM would be keen to avoid that happening again.

Must say I’m really looking forward to seeing it and the reviews too. New Vanatge seems to be improving with each additional iteration, and I really hope they nail this one!

Best Regards

Minglar

[Jon39]

AstonMartinLagonda said:

You'll hear it before you see it. #NeverLeaveQuietly

That is the same as my own Aston Martin. My neighbours say they adore the uncorked NA sound.

Are you part of Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings Plc., with offficial authority to use social media ?
If so, that is a change from the existing AML strategy, of read but never post.

[SFO]

All the engineering effort and expense to shoe horn V12 turbo for 299 units? Why not just make it an additional Vantage variant?

[LTP]

SFO said:

All the engineering effort and expense to shoe horn V12 turbo for 299 units? Why not just make it an additional Vantage variant?

Not just the V12 engine in the front - it also needs the uprated ZF transmission in the back, as the V12 torque/power will eat the normal Vantage transmission if it's using DBSS 700+ bhp tune. If they keep power/torque to around the original V12 DB11 output then the Vantage trans can handle it

[Jon39]

LTP said:

SFO said:

All the engineering effort and expense to shoe horn V12 turbo for 299 units? Why not just make it an additional Vantage variant?

Not just the V12 engine in the front - it also needs the uprated ZF transmission in the back, as the V12 torque/power will eat the normal Vantage transmission if it's using DBSS 700+ bhp tune. If they keep power/torque to around the original V12 DB11 output then the Vantage trans can handle it

Purely for debate. This is not my specialist subject.

Would I be correct to say, that the Aston Martin V12TT is not being fitted to a Vantage to achieve greater power and better balance?
The engine is of course more powerful than the current V8 in the (new) Vantage, but the downside is increased engine weight.

There are much more powerful versions of the Vantage V8 engine eg.
'Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series (C190) (Engine Code M178 LS2)07/2020
537 kW (730 PS; 720 hp) at 6,700–6,900 rpm 800 Nm (590 lb?ft) at 2,000–6,000 rpm

Therefore the same power (5 bhp more) as the AM V12 engine (DBSS), but with no increase in engine weight.

Would you say therefore, that fitting the AM V12 is being done solely to say the car has an Aston Martin V12
and not for ultimate performance and handling reasons?

[AdamV12V]

LTP said:

Not just the V12 engine in the front - it also needs the uprated ZF transmission in the back, as the V12 torque/power will eat the normal Vantage transmission if it's using DBSS 700+ bhp tune. If they keep power/torque to around the original V12 DB11 output then the Vantage trans can handle it

They are keeping the torque down. It is a detuned version of the DBS engine - see my earlier post.

That said I don't know which gearbox is being fitted, because largely I wasn't interested enough to ask such a detail.

[AdamV12V]

Jon39 said:

Would you say therefore, that fitting the AM V12 is being done solely to say the car has an Aston Martin V12
and not for ultimate performance and handling reasons?

Yes absolutely 100% that is why. There are many buyers here who would not entertain the car with the MB V8 even if it had lots more power and less weight. Not even a MB V12 would have ticked the box. If it just had the top spec black ed V8 it would be no more than a Vantage F1 S, black edition, and I doubt it would even sell 299 units.

Ultimate performance and handling are secondary concerns for a car like this. I'm sure you already know that though Jon.

[Champs]

I think, like the previous V12S, its a drama car that's mega eventful, always, and not a track car. It never quiet feels like you can tame it !
I love this hooligan trait.
My V12 gives me max excitement at street speed and fast B road / Autobahn.
I think the new RS is a similar sensation and version, albeit not manual.?

[AlexT]

I think there are several on here (myself included) that would have purchased a V12 variant of the new Vantage had it not been limited production & therefore priced at an appropriate increase over the V8.
My personal reason would have been more for the experience of a V12 2-seater sports car rather than performance. (The V8 can be easily tuned with software for +100HP etc for those that enjoy such things). The AM NA V12 would have been preferable of course!

However, I have no doubt this new swansong V12 Vantage - as a piece of automotive joy - will be excellent.

[oilit]

AlexT said:

I think there are several on here (myself included) that would have purchased a V12 variant of the new Vantage had it not been limited production & therefore priced at an appropriate increase over the V8.
My personal reason would have been more for the experience of a V12 2-seater sports car rather than performance. (The V8 can be easily tuned with software for +100HP etc for those that enjoy such things). The AM NA V12 would have been preferable of course!

However, I have no doubt this new swansong V12 Vantage - as a piece of automotive joy - will be excellent.

I think this summarises my view also - the price is definitely optimistic according to my wallet, but i am sure it will be an icon.

[LooneyTunes]

cayman-black said:

Thanks Adam so we now know the figures. IMO this is an overpriced car i mean you can get a Ferrari 812 amongst others at this price.
It better be brilliant and i do hope it is.

Overpriced really depends on what you’re comparing it against. There’s no doubt that the 812 is a great car, but I don’t really see a modern Ferrari in my (almost all British) garage.

For me, if I felt like spending £300k +/- on another car I’d be comparing against DBSS, GT8/12, Aventador S/SV, and DB6.

I don’t really see buying a DBSS as I still love the Vanquish S, the others are clearly quite different and would stand apart from the other cars I own, which is important as if there’s too much overlap they end up unused. Which then begs the question around whether the new V12V is different enough to sit alongside the V12VSM or special enough to replace it…and whether you’d chose it over the GT.

[Jon39]

A photo of the development car, that we have all probably seen before.

[cayman-black]

LooneyTunes said:

Overpriced really depends on what you’re comparing it against. There’s no doubt that the 812 is a great car, but I don’t really see a modern Ferrari in my (almost all British) garage.

For me, if I felt like spending £300k +/- on another car I’d be comparing against DBSS, GT8/12, Aventador S/SV, and DB6.

I don’t really see buying a DBSS as I still love the Vanquish S, the others are clearly quite different and would stand apart from the other cars I own, which is important as if there’s too much overlap they end up unused. Which then begs the question around whether the new V12V is different enough to sit alongside the V12VSM or special enough to replace it…and whether you’d chose it over the GT.

So you would compare it to an Aventador S and not a 812? I have just quoted the best car you can get for your £300k.
Of course, the nearest rival must be the DBSS a bit more GT probably .
There is also Bentley.
I love the Aston but its not a £300k car imo as far as i see right now, i would rather have the GT12 built in far fewer numbers.

[AdamV12V]

LooneyTunes said:

cayman-black said:

Thanks Adam so we now know the figures. IMO this is an overpriced car i mean you can get a Ferrari 812 amongst others at this price.
It better be brilliant and i do hope it is.

Overpriced really depends on what you’re comparing it against. There’s no doubt that the 812 is a great car, but I don’t really see a modern Ferrari in my (almost all British) garage.

For me, if I felt like spending £300k +/- on another car I’d be comparing against DBSS, GT8/12, Aventador S/SV, and DB6.

I don’t really see buying a DBSS as I still love the Vanquish S, the others are clearly quite different and would stand apart from the other cars I own, which is important as if there’s too much overlap they end up unused. Which then begs the question around whether the new V12V is different enough to sit alongside the V12VSM or special enough to replace it…and whether you’d chose it over the GT.

Exactly this ^

I dont see any Ferrari in my garage to be honest. Even at half the price, they just don't appeal to me, I would be far more interested in an Aventador or even a Huracan to be honest.

As somebody who owns a V12VSM and an AMR Rapide, the new V12V RS offers me nothing really that either of the other two cars don't already offer a whole lot more of.

There is no way Id swap the V12VSM analogue manual na experience for something which is going to be a lot less analogue due to an automatic gearbox and TT engine. So less noise oh and worse infortainment and less good looking. Even if it was faster and more comfortable, neither of these attributes are what I want in my primary driving machine.

And if I want a comfort and wafting along in an automatic, then the AMR Rapide has that box ticked, the 8spd ZF mated to the na V12 GT12 Engine, 4 proper seats, large boot and it has to be one of the most beautiful things both inside and out, to roll of the Gaydon production line ever.

And when you consider that even I traded both cars in I would probably still have to find a little bit more cash still for a new V12V RS, then its just nonsense really.

Used - well a GT12, now at similar money to the RS this also offers far far more. Again the better na V12, sounds and looks far far better, SSIII gearbox (far preferable to an automatic in this kind of car), jaw dropping wild aero and probably a safer place to park £300k if depreciation concerns come into it.

Hence, it was a "thanks, but no thanks" from me. All that said the V12V RS is likely to be the most interesting and appealing car AM currently, or is about to sell.

[mogg]

cayman-black said:

I love the Aston but its not a £300k car imo as far as i see right now, i would rather have the GT12 built in far fewer numbers.

+1

[LooneyTunes]

cayman-black said:

LooneyTunes said:

Overpriced really depends on what you’re comparing it against. There’s no doubt that the 812 is a great car, but I don’t really see a modern Ferrari in my (almost all British) garage.

For me, if I felt like spending £300k +/- on another car I’d be comparing against DBSS, GT8/12, Aventador S/SV, and DB6.

I don’t really see buying a DBSS as I still love the Vanquish S, the others are clearly quite different and would stand apart from the other cars I own, which is important as if there’s too much overlap they end up unused. Which then begs the question around whether the new V12V is different enough to sit alongside the V12VSM or special enough to replace it…and whether you’d chose it over the GT.

So you would compare it to an Aventador S and not a 812? I have just quoted the best car you can get for your £300k.
Of course, the nearest rival must be the DBSS a bit more GT probably .
There is also Bentley.
I love the Aston but its not a £300k car imo as far as i see right now, i would rather have the GT12 built in far fewer numbers.

Yes, because I like Lambos but have no desire to own a Ferrari (although many regard them as better).

As for Bentley… Bought one for the wife, a couple of years ago. They won’t be getting any more of my money.