V12 vantage official

[AdamV12V]

I would not count wither zonda or koeiniseg as vaguely mainstream hence my clarification.

And both cost considerably more than the price of the V12V RS

[AlexT]

I think if AM want to sell cars then it makes absolute sense to sell a V12 version of the current Vantage. I wonder if they could use the mighty AMG V12 which apparently meets Californian emissions to 2026. Interestingly, next year Pagani will release a manual car mated to the AMG V12. Then again, looking forward, Pagani's research shows that buyers in the under 50-year old group desire some form of electrification in their hypercar drivetrains!

[Jon39]

AdamV12V said:

Can anyone name ANY manual gearbox in any vaguely mainstream car capable of handling these figures?

It is possible that talk about manuals is being overplayed.
Do you remember years ago, AML continued to offer a manual for the (was it) DB9, Virage or DBS. Demand was very low, so eventually I think they dropped the option. The infamous 'new younger wealthy customers', won't want a manual.
I like manual sports cars, but that is probably only because, it is the type of gearbox I have always had.

Not mainstream of course, but I was surprised that the Aston Martin Victor with stated 836 bhp, has a 6 speed Graziano manual gearbox.
Perhaps you are right and maybe it has by now buckled under the strain.

[AdamV12V]

Jon39 said:

It is possible that talk about manuals is being overplayed.
Do you remember years ago, AML continued to offer a manual for the (was it) DB9, Virage or DBS. Demand was very low, so eventually I think they dropped the option. The infamous 'new younger wealthy customers', won't want a manual.
I like manual sports cars, but that is probably only because, it is the type of gearbox I have always had.

Not mainstream of course, but I was surprised that the Aston Martin Victor with stated 836 bhp, has a 6 speed Graziano manual gearbox.
Perhaps you are right and maybe it has by now buckled under the strain.

The DB9, Virage and DBS are GT cruisers, whereas the V12V is a sports car, and that is critical in its appeal to different types of drivers. Drivers of GT cars are far less likely to want a manual than in a sports car, so it was not surprising that demand was very low. Look at the take up of manuals on say a Porsche GT3 in the UK - and thats a car where trackheads get all upset about a few tenths of a second around a track, and despite it resulting in a slower car than with PDK, the manual still sells very well indeed.

Not sure how the gearbox handles the power in the Victor, but this, the Zonda and the Koenigsegg are in a completely different price league and can afford to factor in bespoke components into the build cost, hence my comments about anyone naming a suitable manual gearbox in a vaguely mainstream car.

Perhaps let me rephrase what I meant - can anyone name a manual gearbox capable of handling the required level of power / torque which is fitted to a car costing under £300k new?

[MMarkM]

Got this on an email today, guessing others did too. There's a link to the video on the AM site also

Untitled by Mark Maddox, on Flickr

[cayman-black]

They are giving us a lot of info there!

[AMVSVNick]

Nearly as good as the N/A Vanquish S noise

One also assumes they've not yet managed to shift them all to the "chosen ones"

[Greg_D]

the evo story on facebook suggests ery clearly that it is not a limited edition, just a final edition.

Suggesting very clearly that they will make as many as they can sell (which make sense really, considering how much money AM need to make)

But like others say, the marketing BS is very unclear about their intentions.

[AdamV12V]

Interesting, the RS seems to have been dropped again, as we suspected it may be……

https://www.astonmartin.com/v12vantage?utm_medium=...

[oilit]

Not just a Limited Edition, but a Final Edition.
Returning in 2022.
Never leave quietly.

So is it a final edition for 2021 - very ambiguous

I too have decided not to go down the route, but hope some people in here do and can’t wait to hear the feedback - I am sure in the flesh with the revised body it will be good.

[AlexT]

It's a final edition that is also limited. Seems a bit premature for a car halfway through its life-cycle to have a final edition...makes me wonder...

Anyway, not sure what they have done but the noise on that sample was better than I expected. Those with deposits down should be suitably excited. I'm actually impressed!

Edited by AlexT on Wednesday 1st December 11:12

[AMVSVNick]

Couple of mates with deposits down seeing it on Friday so I guess there will be more detail by the weekend.

[Jon39]

AdamV12V said:

https://www.astonmartin.com/v12vantage?utm_medium=...

Advertising what a loud noise a new car makes, might be unheard of for a car company. Manufacturers normally ensure a new car passes the noise regulations, then leave it for their customers to do any exhaust 'tinkering'.

The wingers and winers will be complaining to the Advertising Standards Authority. Perhaps glueing themselves to the Gaydon entrance, when they leave prison.

[Ex Boy Racer]

I followed it up and my dealer called - apparently already oversubscribed. Makes you wonder why AM have e-mailed us if they have already sold the cars...
300 worldwide; around 75 for UK.
I asked about a roadster - apparently AM have said definitely not. Salesman and I both reckon there will be one coming along soon

Edited by Ex Boy Racer on Wednesday 1st December 12:03

[ITP]

AdamV12V said:

Perhaps let me rephrase what I meant - can anyone name a manual gearbox capable of handling the required level of power / torque which is fitted to a car costing under £300k new?

Challenge accepted !

From over the pond, a Dodge challenger (circa 800bhp) and a chevrolet camaro (circa 650 bhp) are currently available with a manual. Probably both under 100k, never mind 300k.

[Jon39]

Ex Boy Racer said:

.... apparently already oversubscribed. Makes you wonder why AM have e-mailed us if they have already sold the cars ....
300 worldwide.

The AML shareholders will not be pleased.
If they have trapped themselves by having already stated a production number, and then even before launch say is oversubscribed, potential revenue has been thrown away.

The V12V sold 1,200 cars, so why now set the number limit for a very similar model, to just a quarter of that number?
They need to raise the level of sales more now, than when the V12V was in production.

[Ex Boy Racer]

Jon39 said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

.... apparently already oversubscribed. Makes you wonder why AM have e-mailed us if they have already sold the cars ....
300 worldwide.

The AML shareholders will not be pleased.
If they have trapped themselves by having already stated a production number, and then even before launch say is oversubscribed, potential revenue has been thrown away.

The V12V sold 1,200 cars, so why now set the number limit for a very similar model, to just a quarter of that number?
They need to raise the level of sales more now, than when the V12V was in production.

Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 1st December 12:08

I think it's called elasticity - the balance between price and sales. If they were more common, would they have needed to be cheaper? Hardest thing to get right, and I agree that AM have probably got it wrong on this occasion. However, who would be surprised if there weren't more to come (roadster, AMR version, F1 version etc)?

Edited by Ex Boy Racer on Wednesday 1st December 14:14

[Champs]

If it's not exclusive and limited to the point where demand does not outstrip supply, then I don't want one.
AM have a terrible history of values dropping like a hot potato, due to not getting this ratio right.
This scares many customers away, including me, no matter how good or great a car it is.

I sincerely hope they don't mess up like this again ! Right now they need to build trust with their hardcore enthusiasts who are the ones that keep the Brand alive and kicking !
Just my view, many of you may differ and are free to differ !
I'll still be your friend

[Beckson]

It really makes no sense for the first v12v to be the "final version" in a limited run format.

I do not understand this logic at all.

[LeroyLoser]

Wouldnt the amount they can produce be limited by their ‘lowering emissions’ comitments to the authorities?

The more of the V12s they produce, the more ev / hybrides they’ll need to factor in to balance theor total so they dont get fined?