Man After My Own Heart ... The Future Isn't Electric

[BiggaJ]

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

So what?!

Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 29th April 20:03

[DodgyGeezer]

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

indeed - control comes in to it too

[Evanivitch]

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

So what?!

Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 29th April 20:03

So claiming that it's pointless because "China" makes no sense because China has zero impact on local pollution in villages, towns and cities in the UK.

[BiggaJ]

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

So what?!

Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 29th April 20:03

So claiming that it's pointless because "China" makes no sense because China has zero impact on local pollution in villages, towns and cities in the UK.

But has world impact and it is the planet we are talking about not just a few towns in the UK.

[Evanivitch]

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

So what?!

Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 29th April 20:03

So claiming that it's pointless because "China" makes no sense because China has zero impact on local pollution in villages, towns and cities in the UK.

But has world impact and it is the planet we are talking about not just a few towns in the UK.

So there are benefits to society in driving electric cars because they reduce local pollution. Glad you agree. Got you there in the end.

[BiggaJ]

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

Evanivitch said:

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

So what?!

Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 29th April 20:03

So claiming that it's pointless because "China" makes no sense because China has zero impact on local pollution in villages, towns and cities in the UK.

But has world impact and it is the planet we are talking about not just a few towns in the UK.

So there are benefits to society in driving electric cars because they reduce local pollution. Glad you agree. Got you there in the end.

But they don't, the life cycle of getting the ingredients to China for them to make the batteries using coal fired power etc.

I know you aren't that dim so stop acting like it.

[Evanivitch]

BiggaJ said:

But they don't, the life cycle of getting the ingredients to China for them to make the batteries using coal fired power etc.

I know you aren't that dim so stop acting like it.

The ingredients

Do you think batteries are only made in China?

Do you think China only has coal electricity generation?

[BiggaJ]

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

But they don't, the life cycle of getting the ingredients to China for them to make the batteries using coal fired power etc.

I know you aren't that dim so stop acting like it.

The ingredients

Do you think batteries are only made in China?

Do you think China only has coal electricity generation?

I work with China and India daily. Ingredients, components call them what you like but you know what I mean.

Shipping is also an area I am heavily and daily involved in. China has 6 of the 10 world's largest ports, ships are bunker fuel burning and any ship being put into service today is there for the next 35-40 years.

The components going to China from all over the world are transported in ships, virtually everything you look at or use has been brought to you by a ship.

So when you look at the life cycle of EV it's got to include this element amongst others.

I'm not anti EV, I'm anti the one size fits all attitude that people like you and governments believe it to be.

You surely start with the major polluters as in China etc. not little old UK to make the biggest change.

Edited by BiggaJ on Saturday 30th April 23:58

[Evanivitch]

BiggaJ said:

You surely start with the major polluters as in China etc. not little old UK to make the biggest change.

And what difference will China make to inner-city London air quality? Port Talbot? Hafodrynys hill?

[BiggaJ]

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

You surely start with the major polluters as in China etc. not little old UK to make the biggest change.

And what difference will China make to inner-city London air quality? Port Talbot? Hafodrynys hill?

Ok, so now we know you are only interested in your little bit of the world, rather of a selfish view.

[Evanivitch]

BiggaJ said:

Ok, so now we know you are only interested in your little bit of the world, rather of a selfish view.

So by your logic reducing global CO2 emissions and reducing local air pollution is a selfish act.

[Veg]

Well Evan**** strikes again in the Monty Python argument sketch again...no he doesn't, yes he does...

You go global, I'll go local; China doesn't matter, yes it does; etc etc and visa versa to disagree or god forbid you prove a point

EVs getting cheaper well not anyday soon in fact quite the opposite; electricity generation is clean, err no; China doesn't have an almost monopoly on the raw materials supply, err yes it does; save Port Talbot, last time I looked there is a bigger polluter there than cars; EVs are cheaper to run, well yes until the switch in government revenue generation taxes happens.

And now for well thought out reply....

[Evanivitch]

Veg said:

Well Evan**** strikes again in the Monty Python argument sketch again...no he doesn't, yes he does...

You go global, I'll go local; China doesn't matter, yes it does; etc etc and visa versa to disagree or god forbid you prove a point

EVs getting cheaper well not anyday soon in fact quite the opposite; electricity generation is clean, err no; China doesn't have an almost monopoly on the raw materials supply, err yes it does; save Port Talbot, last time I looked there is a bigger polluter there than cars; EVs are cheaper to run, well yes until the switch in government revenue generation taxes happens.

And now for well thought out reply....

I hope you get the help you deserve.

https://www.talktofrank.com/

[LTP]

I had to check the URL because I thought for a moment I'd stumbled into 4Chan

[NMNeil]

BiggaJ said:

But they don't, the life cycle of getting the ingredients to China for them to make the batteries using coal fired power etc.

I know you aren't that dim so stop acting like it.

And the 'ingredients' for the ICE cars are so benign.
https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/gulfspill...

[Veg]

Evanivitch said:

I hope you get the help you deserve.

https://www.talktofrank.com/

Hahaha for me the comfy chair.

Did you know the Royal family are actually lizards. Must be true as it's on the Web...oh and the covid vaccine is full of nanobots to ready you for a connection to the matrix...

Edited by Veg on Monday 2nd May 09:16

[Davil]

Came across a bunch of old people protesting today, holding placards about “no fossil fuels” chanting something, whilst I was waiting for a traffic light. So of course I put the car in neutral and gave the car some serious revs. Sadly I wasn’t in the Aston, but the BMW makes a decent enough sound.

For a brief moment they smiled and clapped thinking I was showing support. But it dropped off midway to a smattering as they realised what they were clapping for. Priceless.

[ds666]

Davil said:

Came across a bunch of old people protesting today, holding placards about “no fossil fuels” chanting something, whilst I was waiting for a traffic light. So of course I put the car in neutral and gave the car some serious revs. Sadly I wasn’t in the Aston, but the BMW makes a decent enough sound.

For a brief moment they smiled and clapped thinking I was showing support. But it dropped off midway to a smattering as they realised what they were clapping for. Priceless.

Did you have your baseball cap on backwards ?

[Davil]

ds666 said:

Did you have your baseball cap on backwards ?

I don’t own one. Similar relationship for you with a sense of humour I suppose?

[cardigankid]

Evanivitch said:

BiggaJ said:

Fact is, it makes very little difference what we do in the UK, Norway, Sweden and the rest when you have countries like China, Russia, India with their incredibly sized populations (China and India) that make London look like a village and the so called world powers don't do anything to pull them in line and start making headway with alternate, Greener energy sources.

We can potter about in an ev untill the cows come home and pay handsomely through the nose for a car then get taxed to high heaven for doing as we've been told yet we will not make a dent in making an ice cap last longer without the aforementioned countries and others making the change as we have too.

You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?

Have you? It's about the USA dominating the world's oil supplies, in the course of which Europe is going to have to do without and like it. Meanwhile we are going to be bankrupting ourselves fighting proxy wars, none of which produce any CO2 at all of course, or are missiles tanks and fighter-bombers covered by a derogation? Do you seriously think that the US of A is going to give up ICE? Not a hope. Which is why I think we should join them!