Man After My Own Heart ... The Future Isn't Electric
Discussion
cardigankid said:
Evanivitch said:
BiggaJ said:
Fact is, it makes very little difference what we do in the UK, Norway, Sweden and the rest when you have countries like China, Russia, India with their incredibly sized populations (China and India) that make London look like a village and the so called world powers don't do anything to pull them in line and start making headway with alternate, Greener energy sources.
We can potter about in an ev untill the cows come home and pay handsomely through the nose for a car then get taxed to high heaven for doing as we've been told yet we will not make a dent in making an ice cap last longer without the aforementioned countries and others making the change as we have too.
You realise it's about more than just CO2 or have you just woken up?We can potter about in an ev untill the cows come home and pay handsomely through the nose for a car then get taxed to high heaven for doing as we've been told yet we will not make a dent in making an ice cap last longer without the aforementioned countries and others making the change as we have too.
Local air pollution a complete irrelevance for you then
I don't have any problem with EV taxis in towns, I just wish they would do the same with the buses, the trucks and the vans, which have always been a far bigger problem than cars. It's just really not the point. Beyond a local runabout, do you really believe that EV's are environmentally friendly? It's a joke. Carrying huge heavy batteries around is massively inefficient. That's the problem with hybrids. And that's just the start.
I am still of the view that if politicians really wanted to tackle pollution they have far bigger fish to fry than high end cars. But it's always easier just to hit the motorist - they don't fight back. But politicians follow orders and they line their own pockets.
Iran has plenty of oil, Russia has plenty of oil. We are just not allowed to buy it. Europe is being used as a lever to devalue it in advance of a 'takeover'.
I am still of the view that if politicians really wanted to tackle pollution they have far bigger fish to fry than high end cars. But it's always easier just to hit the motorist - they don't fight back. But politicians follow orders and they line their own pockets.
Iran has plenty of oil, Russia has plenty of oil. We are just not allowed to buy it. Europe is being used as a lever to devalue it in advance of a 'takeover'.
cardigankid said:
I don't have any problem with EV taxis in towns, I just wish they would do the same with the buses, the trucks and the vans, which have always been a far bigger problem than cars. It's just really not the point. Beyond a local runabout, do you really believe that EV's are environmentally friendly? It's a joke. Carrying huge heavy batteries around is massively inefficient. That's the problem with hybrids. And that's just the start.
I am still of the view that if politicians really wanted to tackle pollution they have far bigger fish to fry than high end cars. But it's always easier just to hit the motorist - they don't fight back. But politicians follow orders and they line their own pockets.
Iran has plenty of oil, Russia has plenty of oil. We are just not allowed to buy it. Europe is being used as a lever to devalue it in advance of a 'takeover'.
Can you point to some evidence that they are less efficient/environmentally friendly than ICE's? I am still of the view that if politicians really wanted to tackle pollution they have far bigger fish to fry than high end cars. But it's always easier just to hit the motorist - they don't fight back. But politicians follow orders and they line their own pockets.
Iran has plenty of oil, Russia has plenty of oil. We are just not allowed to buy it. Europe is being used as a lever to devalue it in advance of a 'takeover'.
Car manufacturers would be very interested, because none of them seem to be pushing that view even though it's going to cost them a fortune to change over.
cardigankid said:
I don't have any problem with EV taxis in towns, I just wish they would do the same with the buses, the trucks and the vans, which have always been a far bigger problem than cars.
I'd agree that up until diesel was incentivised in cars that was the case. And then the widespread use of diesel cars in urban areas reversed that.And busses, vans and trucks are all being electrified. Loads of regional electric bus operators and many, many fleets moving rapidly to electric vans.
cardigankid said:
I. Beyond a local runabout, do you really believe that EV's are environmentally friendly? It's a joke. Carrying huge heavy batteries around is massively inefficient. That's the problem with hybrids. And that's just the start.
You're completely backwards. An EV doing high mileage is a massively lower footprint than a comparable ICE, because the in-use emissions are significantly lower it overcomes the manufacturing footprint far quicker.Huge batteries in cars that will never go far is pointless, I agree. But V2G also makes a big difference as 10-20 kWh could be used at home, and still be doing 30 miles in a day. Also, 800V in a 50kWh would also make a 150 mile car recharge in 15-30 minutes easily.
The problem with hybrids isn't the battery. Rarely do they use the most efficient engines. Rarely are the aerodynamics tuned for an EV (because EVs don't need much aero cooling). And rarely is the electric motor actually scaled for driving the vehicle at motorway speeds without the ICE supporting.
LTP said:
But apparently we are doomed together, which is nice.
The point I was trying to make is that these are the idiots that are trying to force us to give up ICE autos and into all electric. Majority who don't have the intelligence to even compete in a world outside of politics. Make laws that will never impact them or their families. People who come from nothing, but leave office multi multi millionaires on mediocre government salaries.AstonV said:
The point I was trying to make is that these are the idiots that are trying to force us to give up ICE autos and into all electric. Majority who don't have the intelligence to even compete in a world outside of politics. Make laws that will never impact them or their families. People who come from nothing, but leave office multi multi millionaires on mediocre government salaries.
Kamala Harris has little to nothing to do with global electrification policy...Need some more aluminium foil?
Evanivitch said:
AstonV said:
The point I was trying to make is that these are the idiots that are trying to force us to give up ICE autos and into all electric. Majority who don't have the intelligence to even compete in a world outside of politics. Make laws that will never impact them or their families. People who come from nothing, but leave office multi multi millionaires on mediocre government salaries.
Kamala Harris has little to nothing to do with global electrification policy...Need some more aluminium foil?
Driving an ev is crap. I will never love an ev they have no soul.
For short journeys they make absolute sense and cost pennies to run once you've got one.
However that emotional connection many of us get with ice cars is very much missing.
I will keep my v12 thank you
Now im off to collect our takeaway in the missus ev
For short journeys they make absolute sense and cost pennies to run once you've got one.
However that emotional connection many of us get with ice cars is very much missing.
I will keep my v12 thank you
Now im off to collect our takeaway in the missus ev
AstonV said:
The point I was trying to make is that these are the idiots that are trying to force us to give up ICE autos and into all electric. Majority who don't have the intelligence to even compete in a world outside of politics. Make laws that will never impact them or their families. People who come from nothing, but leave office multi multi millionaires on mediocre government salaries.
I got that. My reply was a sarcastic take on the little that Harris said in the video, except how it was going to be done together. On the other hand the video looked like it was an extract of a longer speech and the clip may have been selected to make Harris look incompetent by someone with an agenda.
AstonV said:
Maybe not personally but all the climate change BS is from the left. Your not from here, so you have no idea of the crap these people spew everyday. So drive your electric car, be happy. Have a nice life.
Climate change is BS? What about local smog? NOx? Particulates?Let's not pretend that the EV corporate supreme Elon Musk is a lefty
LTP said:
I got that. My reply was a sarcastic take on the little that Harris said in the video, except how it was going to be done together.
On the other hand the video looked like it was an extract of a longer speech and the clip may have been selected to make Harris look incompetent by someone with an agenda.
No she needs no help to make her look incompetent. She can do that all by herself. On the other hand the video looked like it was an extract of a longer speech and the clip may have been selected to make Harris look incompetent by someone with an agenda.
Evanivitch said:
AstonV said:
The point I was trying to make is that these are the idiots that are trying to force us to give up ICE autos and into all electric. Majority who don't have the intelligence to even compete in a world outside of politics. Make laws that will never impact them or their families. People who come from nothing, but leave office multi multi millionaires on mediocre government salaries.
Kamala Harris has little to nothing to do with global electrification policy...Need some more aluminium foil?
Is it really worth going back over the old arguments about environmental effects of EV's? About the appalling impact of mining for the necessary metals, not to mention where we get them, about the short lifespan of the batteries, of the common sense (or lack of it) associated with lugging 500-800kg or batteries around in a vehicle, then the problems of disposal when they go phut, as they will, as our phone batteries do. As a technology, it is ridiculous.
Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 18th May 09:29
Evanivitch said:
AstonV said:
Maybe not personally but all the climate change BS is from the left. Your not from here, so you have no idea of the crap these people spew everyday. So drive your electric car, be happy. Have a nice life.
Climate change is BS? What about local smog? NOx? Particulates?Let's not pretend that the EV corporate supreme Elon Musk is a lefty
cardigankid said:
I agree 100% with AstonV, and the evidence is all around us. The supposed 'global electrification policy' is being promoted by a liberal political elite for their own ends. And I would repeat, from the grass roots up, the US of A is not going to give up ICE. Oil is as much a strategic asset as it ever was. Why do you think all of these US politicians kids are in the oil business in the Middle East? Why do you think that US business was all over Ukraine, and elsewhere in the area, prior to this Ukraine war? Why do you think there was an attempt at regime change in Kazakhstan before the Ukraine war broke out? For goodness sake guys, this is not about saving the planet, it is about ensuring that the dollar remains the world's reserve currency, and the in-crowd getting very rich in the process. They are going to dominate Russia, then they are going to dominate China. No aluminium foil, that is the strategy. Now, we are US allies, and it has worked since 1945, and my default position is to stick with it. But when it involves losing our ICE cars, being prevented from travelling, becoming impoverished by food shortages, being unable to heat our houses, all so we can support and fund a proxy war, the game for us isn't worth the candle, and I'm out. Let us join the USA and share the benefits, or let them ---- off and fight their own wars.
Is it really worth going back over the old arguments about environmental effects of EV's? About the appalling impact of mining for the necessary metals, not to mention where we get them, about the short lifespan of the batteries, of the common sense (or lack of it) associated with lugging 500-800kg or batteries around in a vehicle, then the problems of disposal when they go phut, as they will, as our phone batteries do. As a technology, it is ridiculous.
Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 18th May 09:29
Muammar Gaddafi an ally of America threatened to sell oil for gold or a gold backed currency, and we all know what happened.
The world is in a dangerous place right now. We have a cabbage in the Oval Office and the inmates are in control of the asylum.
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