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I see the CCBs as a bit of a liability really. That is from my own research that the advice from dealers, mechanics etc. Yes, they look good and don't dust (as much) but you will likely only benefit from the lack of fade on track. The weight saving is apparently not noticeable. Also, replacement cost is extreme and if they do get damaged by a loose stone or by a tire-fitter then good luck! Insurance may pay, but then there is the hassle of that. The biggest downside to CCBs apart from the initial and potential cost for me is the tendency to squeal.
The B&W system is pricey but a must for a GT car. I believe the DB12 has the same output (1170W) as the new Vantage but comes with a larger subwoofer (200mm/7.9in vs 165mm/6.5in respectively). I would like to hear more input from others but I understand the sound system overall is excellent.
The B&W system is pricey but a must for a GT car. I believe the DB12 has the same output (1170W) as the new Vantage but comes with a larger subwoofer (200mm/7.9in vs 165mm/6.5in respectively). I would like to hear more input from others but I understand the sound system overall is excellent.
AlexT said:
I see the CCBs as a bit of a liability really. That is from my own research that the advice from dealers, mechanics etc. Yes, they look good and don't dust (as much) but you will likely only benefit from the lack of fade on track. The weight saving is apparently not noticeable. Also, replacement cost is extreme and if they do get damaged by a loose stone or by a tire-fitter then good luck! Insurance may pay, but then there is the hassle of that. The biggest downside to CCBs apart from the initial and potential cost for me is the tendency to squeal.
The B&W system is pricey but a must for a GT car. I believe the DB12 has the same output (1170W) as the new Vantage but comes with a larger subwoofer (200mm/7.9in vs 165mm/6.5in respectively). I would like to hear more input from others but I understand the sound system overall is excellent.
Are CCB's a case of diminishing returns for eye-watering expense, when considering a road car? Yes. But I'm not sure I agree with the bit about squealing. Over the years and with multiple vehicles, I've had more issues with squealing from cast iron brakes than CCMs.The B&W system is pricey but a must for a GT car. I believe the DB12 has the same output (1170W) as the new Vantage but comes with a larger subwoofer (200mm/7.9in vs 165mm/6.5in respectively). I would like to hear more input from others but I understand the sound system overall is excellent.
As for the B&W system, I have no idea how it sounds in the DB12, but my experience from Gen1 Gaydon V8V, V12V and V12VS is that the highest priced audio is definitively NOT the best sounding.
CCBs are a must in my eyes. They look good and aesthetics on a car like the DB12 are very important. I've never suffered any squeal unless I put the car away with wet pads n discs and it then disappears after a couple of taps on the pedal.
Almost NO dust which keeps calipers and wheels looking bright for longer.
I must have driven a million miles throughout my life and never suffered a damaged disc, worn yes , but not damaged so I don't expect it to happen with CCBs either and so far it hasn't.
The cost was a huge issue both to buy and replace but those costs have dropped hugely in the last 10 years and I would expect that trend to continue.
Are you likely to keep the car long enough ( and do enough miles) to require a replacement set at some point? Mine have got 25000 miles on them.now and dealer says they are fine and hardly worn. The car has been on track too. They can start to' look' a bit worn but I've found some heavy braking and getting them.hot cleans them up and they look great again.
As for sound....I like the BO system in my Vanquish but wish it had a better equaliser type function. You need to listen to both options and go from there. If it sounds good then you have your answer if you don't notice much difference...well save a few quid.
Almost NO dust which keeps calipers and wheels looking bright for longer.
I must have driven a million miles throughout my life and never suffered a damaged disc, worn yes , but not damaged so I don't expect it to happen with CCBs either and so far it hasn't.
The cost was a huge issue both to buy and replace but those costs have dropped hugely in the last 10 years and I would expect that trend to continue.
Are you likely to keep the car long enough ( and do enough miles) to require a replacement set at some point? Mine have got 25000 miles on them.now and dealer says they are fine and hardly worn. The car has been on track too. They can start to' look' a bit worn but I've found some heavy braking and getting them.hot cleans them up and they look great again.
As for sound....I like the BO system in my Vanquish but wish it had a better equaliser type function. You need to listen to both options and go from there. If it sounds good then you have your answer if you don't notice much difference...well save a few quid.
Ceramics are a must for me, and have specified them over the last 18 years whenever available. Have had them on numerous Porsches, including current Boxster and also on my DBS. Only ever had one issue when damaged one at Silverstone back in 2009.
Expensive but definitely worth it and never experienced them squealing.
Expensive but definitely worth it and never experienced them squealing.
I’ve never had any squealing from any car fitted with Ceramics. Worst squeal was from my steel braked GT3 but I just got used to that - it added to the occasion.
Washing the car might need more slightly more care than with Steel brakes.
When very wet occasionally I found that feel was less with Ceramics when setting off but that soon passes.
Size might matter in terms of look.
That all said I’ve never found my GT8 with steel brakes ( Ceramics weren’t an option ) is lacking in the stopping dept.
Washing the car might need more slightly more care than with Steel brakes.
When very wet occasionally I found that feel was less with Ceramics when setting off but that soon passes.
Size might matter in terms of look.
That all said I’ve never found my GT8 with steel brakes ( Ceramics weren’t an option ) is lacking in the stopping dept.
I have both the ceramic brakes and the B&W audio in my DB12.
In my experience, the ceramic brakes only squeal/honk when they are wet and cold (i.e. just after starting up in the damp) - it goes away quickly after speeding up and driving. My main reasons for getting them were (1) performance/safety – I like to accelerate and brake hard, and (2) appearance – for a non-daily-driver I hate the rusty patina that can form over steel discs. The ceramic brakes are huge and shiny – very satisfying.
The B&W audio sounds great - bright and punchy. I can't compare it to a non-B&W DB12, but it's miles better than my old F-Type's Meridian audio. It's also better than my wife's GLE's Burmester (certainly the bass is - the quality in general isn't a massive step up). Weirdly, my 2014's G-Wagen's non-branded audio system is still one of my favourites for its clarity of sound, though the DB12's B&W system admittedly has better range. I had some speaker buzz issues in the DB12 at first, but they were promptly fixed by my AM dealer.
In my experience, the ceramic brakes only squeal/honk when they are wet and cold (i.e. just after starting up in the damp) - it goes away quickly after speeding up and driving. My main reasons for getting them were (1) performance/safety – I like to accelerate and brake hard, and (2) appearance – for a non-daily-driver I hate the rusty patina that can form over steel discs. The ceramic brakes are huge and shiny – very satisfying.
The B&W audio sounds great - bright and punchy. I can't compare it to a non-B&W DB12, but it's miles better than my old F-Type's Meridian audio. It's also better than my wife's GLE's Burmester (certainly the bass is - the quality in general isn't a massive step up). Weirdly, my 2014's G-Wagen's non-branded audio system is still one of my favourites for its clarity of sound, though the DB12's B&W system admittedly has better range. I had some speaker buzz issues in the DB12 at first, but they were promptly fixed by my AM dealer.
I’ve had a V8V with steel rotors, now have a V12VS with CC rotors. Neither squeal.
I found the best pads for the V8 were the Porterfields, less dust, no squeal..
The CC rotors are brilliant and stopping when u need it is fantastic. I’ve done 60,000km (35,000miles) still on 1st set of pads, (lots of highway miles both cruising and spirited hard braking style)
The cost of the CC rotors if you care for them is I suspect no more than steel over the lifetime of a full set ( which I expect to be 200,000km based on 3 sets of pads to one set of rotors) vs multiple steel sets (at say 40,000km each)
Don’t be put off by a car with CC rotors, just make sure they are in good nick (mirror like surface)
Graze
I found the best pads for the V8 were the Porterfields, less dust, no squeal..
The CC rotors are brilliant and stopping when u need it is fantastic. I’ve done 60,000km (35,000miles) still on 1st set of pads, (lots of highway miles both cruising and spirited hard braking style)
The cost of the CC rotors if you care for them is I suspect no more than steel over the lifetime of a full set ( which I expect to be 200,000km based on 3 sets of pads to one set of rotors) vs multiple steel sets (at say 40,000km each)
Don’t be put off by a car with CC rotors, just make sure they are in good nick (mirror like surface)
Graze
Hi everyone.
Just got my DB12.
I have some issues with multimedia:
1. CarPlay - does not connect with usb inserted. Phone also do not start charging.
2. Car does not save some settings: sound speed limit warning, auto start/stop and some others.
3. Lane assist button is always on even if it is switched off.
I know from the dealer that there were some software issues but they told me that software is updated and all might be ok.
Is there anyone else with the same problems?
Just got my DB12.
I have some issues with multimedia:
1. CarPlay - does not connect with usb inserted. Phone also do not start charging.
2. Car does not save some settings: sound speed limit warning, auto start/stop and some others.
3. Lane assist button is always on even if it is switched off.
I know from the dealer that there were some software issues but they told me that software is updated and all might be ok.
Is there anyone else with the same problems?
MrOz said:
Hi everyone.
Just got my DB12.
I have some issues with multimedia:
1. CarPlay - does not connect with usb inserted. Phone also do not start charging.
2. Car does not save some settings: sound speed limit warning, auto start/stop and some others.
3. Lane assist button is always on even if it is switched off.
I know from the dealer that there were some software issues but they told me that software is updated and all might be ok.
Is there anyone else with the same problems?
1. My DB12's CarPlay has always worked fine. I assume you have checked your USB cable? Is it plugged into the correct port?Just got my DB12.
I have some issues with multimedia:
1. CarPlay - does not connect with usb inserted. Phone also do not start charging.
2. Car does not save some settings: sound speed limit warning, auto start/stop and some others.
3. Lane assist button is always on even if it is switched off.
I know from the dealer that there were some software issues but they told me that software is updated and all might be ok.
Is there anyone else with the same problems?
2. By "not save", I assume you mean that the settings are reset after the car is switched off and on again? Unfortunately this behaviour is EU/UK law for 2024+ cars and so it is that way intentionally. I agree it's a total pain – IMO it reduces safety, as I am having to take my eyes off the road at the start of every drive to fiddle with the menus to re-disable it. Apparently in future it may be that such features are not even allowed to be disabled - so stupid, it will have the same effect as the "cookie" law and just train everyone to completely ignore safety warnings and beeps.
3. Agreed – the button light is always on and pressing it has no effect. Lane assist has to be disabled in the menu system instead. Probably a software issue that is hopefully resolvable with an update.
I've noticed several other software quirks as well. The worst is that one time in slow traffic I went into P gear, but when I drove off the brake was still engaged, the car would barely move and all kinds of dashboard warnings were beeping at me. It eventually resolved itself after lots of pressing buttons but then happened again shortly after. I had to pull over, turn the car off and on again, and haven't had it since, hence me assuming it was a software issue : (
My dealer promised over-the-air software updates, but my software version has not changed at all since I took delivery in January (it's still version 910.10.91, with boot loader version 4.1.6). I'm hoping that with the release of the 2024 Vantage, the next software patch will be available.
Software issues aside, I hope you are at least finding the drive as fun as I am - it's a flying machine right? What spec did you go for?
Edited by atrossity on Saturday 13th April 15:57
atrossity said:
1. My DB12's CarPlay has always worked fine. I assume you have checked your USB cable? Is it plugged into the correct port?
No experience with DB12 but I can attest to the sensitivity of CarPlay to cable quality. When I got my 911 Turbo S the CarPlay didn’t work and I was ready to go back to the dealer, but then tried a genuine Apple cable that did the trick. No idea why as the aftermarket cable worked fine for general charging duties.atrossity said:
1. My DB12's CarPlay has always worked fine. I assume you have checked your USB cable? Is it plugged into the correct port?
2. By "not save", I assume you mean that the settings are reset after the car is switched off and on again? Unfortunately this behaviour is EU/UK law for 2024+ cars and so it is that way intentionally. I agree it's a total pain – IMO it reduces safety, as I am having to take my eyes off the road at the start of every drive to fiddle with the menus to re-disable it. Apparently in future it may be that such features are not even allowed to be disabled - so stupid, it will have the same effect as the "cookie" law and just train everyone to completely ignore safety warnings and beeps.
3. Agreed – the button light is always on and pressing it has no effect. Lane assist has to be disabled in the menu system instead. Probably a software issue that is hopefully resolvable with an update.
I've noticed several other software quirks as well. The worst is that one time in slow traffic I went into P gear, but when I drove off the brake was still engaged, the car would barely move and all kinds of dashboard warnings were beeping at me. It eventually resolved itself after lots of pressing buttons but then happened again shortly after. I had to pull over, turn the car off and on again, and haven't had it since, hence me assuming it was a software issue : (
My dealer promised over-the-air software updates, but my software version has not changed at all since I took delivery in January (it's still version 910.10.91, with boot loader version 4.1.6). I'm hoping that with the release of the 2024 Vantage, the next software patch will be available.
Software issues aside, I hope you are at least finding the drive as fun as I am - it's a flying machine right? What spec did you go for?
Really the CarPlay issue was a cable issue, so now all is fine.2. By "not save", I assume you mean that the settings are reset after the car is switched off and on again? Unfortunately this behaviour is EU/UK law for 2024+ cars and so it is that way intentionally. I agree it's a total pain – IMO it reduces safety, as I am having to take my eyes off the road at the start of every drive to fiddle with the menus to re-disable it. Apparently in future it may be that such features are not even allowed to be disabled - so stupid, it will have the same effect as the "cookie" law and just train everyone to completely ignore safety warnings and beeps.
3. Agreed – the button light is always on and pressing it has no effect. Lane assist has to be disabled in the menu system instead. Probably a software issue that is hopefully resolvable with an update.
I've noticed several other software quirks as well. The worst is that one time in slow traffic I went into P gear, but when I drove off the brake was still engaged, the car would barely move and all kinds of dashboard warnings were beeping at me. It eventually resolved itself after lots of pressing buttons but then happened again shortly after. I had to pull over, turn the car off and on again, and haven't had it since, hence me assuming it was a software issue : (
My dealer promised over-the-air software updates, but my software version has not changed at all since I took delivery in January (it's still version 910.10.91, with boot loader version 4.1.6). I'm hoping that with the release of the 2024 Vantage, the next software patch will be available.
Software issues aside, I hope you are at least finding the drive as fun as I am - it's a flying machine right? What spec did you go for?
Edited by atrossity on Saturday 13th April 15:57
Regarding the reset - one of the settings is really the speed limit.
But another one which also always resets is a interior light color settings.
Also, I have very strange behaviour of Start/Stop feature: start/stop button can pressed (meaning function is OFF) but originally car will stop engine on stop. But I can press it, the start/stop disabled sign on the dashboard will go of, but really start/stop function will stop working. Meaning that dashboard sing and button light sometimes (but not every time) are opposite meanings with the current car state.
One more. On all my cars like Aston DBX707 or Ferrari SF90 I am using Quadlock wireless CarPlay (small box connected with USD cable making wired carplay wireless). But on my DB12 it just doesn’t work at all. Is there anyone who were able to make some of this box working?
And how were you able to see the current software version? Where to look at?
Not able to post photos as I am new one here.
Going to Q office soon to customise new gen DBX and Valhalla (got the slot).
I was under the impression that the DB12 comes with wireless CarPlay. Is that not correct?
Yes, a bad cable is usually the main reason for CarPlay connection problems. The same issues applies whether lightning cable or USB C. Ask me how I know.
While on the subject of mandated cable changes. From a distance I don’t understand why the UK chooses to follow stupid EU laws when they aren’t in the EU? Is it some sort of Stockholm syndrome? The garbage that those clowns come up with is mind boggling.
Yes, a bad cable is usually the main reason for CarPlay connection problems. The same issues applies whether lightning cable or USB C. Ask me how I know.
While on the subject of mandated cable changes. From a distance I don’t understand why the UK chooses to follow stupid EU laws when they aren’t in the EU? Is it some sort of Stockholm syndrome? The garbage that those clowns come up with is mind boggling.
MrOz said:
Regarding the reset - one of the settings is really the speed limit.
But another one which also always resets is a interior light color settings.
Also, I have very strange behaviour of Start/Stop feature: start/stop button can pressed (meaning function is OFF) but originally car will stop engine on stop. But I can press it, the start/stop disabled sign on the dashboard will go of, but really start/stop function will stop working. Meaning that dashboard sing and button light sometimes (but not every time) are opposite meanings with the current car state.
I haven't had those issues at all with my DB12. I wonder can you force reboot the system somehow or speak to your dealer.But another one which also always resets is a interior light color settings.
Also, I have very strange behaviour of Start/Stop feature: start/stop button can pressed (meaning function is OFF) but originally car will stop engine on stop. But I can press it, the start/stop disabled sign on the dashboard will go of, but really start/stop function will stop working. Meaning that dashboard sing and button light sometimes (but not every time) are opposite meanings with the current car state.
MrOz said:
One more. On all my cars like Aston DBX707 or Ferrari SF90 I am using Quadlock wireless CarPlay (small box connected with USD cable making wired carplay wireless). But on my DB12 it just doesn’t work at all. Is there anyone who were able to make some of this box working?
Davil said:
I was under the impression that the DB12 comes with wireless CarPlay. Is that not correct?
Apparently the DB12 has the hardware for wireless CarPlay support and it will be enabled in a future software update. In fact, Aston Martin (as well as Porsche) are meant to be the first makes to support the all new CarPlay set to launch this year ( https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/20/first-next-ge...). I really hope the issues that plagued AM's software team in 2023 are resolved and that they are up to the task.
MrOz said:
And how were you able to see the current software version? Where to look at?
Slide your finger in the from the left edge of the screen to reveal this menu:
Then go to Settings and scroll down to Software:
According to DB12 manual, if and when an update is available, it will be handled like this:
MrOz said:
Going to Q office soon to customise new gen DBX and Valhalla (got the slot).
Hot damn! What are you a collector?Edited by atrossity on Sunday 14th April 13:53
atrossity said:
Hot damn! What are you a collector?
Regarding the CarPlay - I also was sure that it might be wireless, but for now it is only wired. For some reason my manual book is in German ??. Even my car was order weeks before worldwide pre-order officially started from EU dealer (not Germany and not even close).
I never saw this extra menu - will check it now.
Thank you!
Edited by MrOz on Sunday 14th April 10:20
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