To PPF or not to PPF
Discussion
Worth a read guys - am on hold to Admiral as we speak!!!!!
https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/ppf-on-the-car...
https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/ppf-on-the-car...
Ken Figenus said:
Worth a read guys - am on hold to Admiral as we speak!!!!!
https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/ppf-on-the-car...
There have also been other threads on this and iirc it was Axa who were being especially difficult. https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/ppf-on-the-car...
That said PPF does apparently come under the modification tag given any claim will then be more expensive to adjust and hence needs to be declared in advance.
I wonder how often it isn’t though ?!
With my Storm Black 2011 DB9, pressure for me is mounting to get the front end PPF'd. I had a full 3 stage paint correction performed as soon as I purchased the car, which was then ceramic coated with the best Kenzo coating the detailer could apply. The cost of just the front end PPF would have been equal to or more than the full-car paint correction and ceramic coating so that made the decision easy.
However, as I am the type of owner who loves driving this glorious Aston, and wanting to preserve the optioned paint spec, I am looking at having any tiny rock chips dr. colorchipped and professionally PPFing the hood, front bumpers and fenders. This is probably the best of both worlds.
However, as I am the type of owner who loves driving this glorious Aston, and wanting to preserve the optioned paint spec, I am looking at having any tiny rock chips dr. colorchipped and professionally PPFing the hood, front bumpers and fenders. This is probably the best of both worlds.
Edited by greyboxer on Thursday 12th October 22:28
This YouTube video illustrates some of the reasons why you shouldn’t have PPF installed on your vehicle.
I found it very informative and persuasive, what you think.
https://youtu.be/Z3iaYrtd6Nw
I found it very informative and persuasive, what you think.
https://youtu.be/Z3iaYrtd6Nw
Budweiser said:
This YouTube video illustrates some of the reasons why you shouldn’t have PPF installed on your vehicle.
I found it very informative and persuasive, what you think.
https://youtu.be/Z3iaYrtd6Nw
I think he misses the point completely, although he does put a block of text up that shows he does understand.I found it very informative and persuasive, what you think.
https://youtu.be/Z3iaYrtd6Nw
He does not mention protection from swirls, especially with modern, self-healing films.
He does not mention that that Lamborghini PPF job must have been done when the guy applying it didn't have his sight-assistance dog with him.
3-year-old, 36,000 mile Lamborghini. Owner wants to sell it, so removes film and...Hey presto! Immaculate, factory-fresh, original paint. No unsightly touch-ups. No stone chips. No swirls. Top dollar.
My experience, always put modern self healing PPF on the 'weekend' cars I own, as I only have one at a time and I want to ensure they look beautiful and well kept,
Got my 2013 V8VS Roadster from AM Leeds a year ago, only had the original 10 y/o factory fit PPF on the rear exposed arches.
One arch had a clear 'bullet hole' in the 10 year old film, so booked it in to my local workshop who specialise in ceramic/PPF & correction.
Had the full front/sides/pillars/mirrors and new rear arches covered. It looks brand new!
The AM Works chap who collected it for a service last week and gave me his pink 'damage' slip - perfect nothing on it at all.
Spoke to him for a while and he said it was lovely to see no damage on a 10 y/o car, so many are 'scruffy' especially the newer models he picks up - I guess the guys paying £100K+ have less cares in the world, but without them we would have no 2nd hand cars to buy!
Got my 2013 V8VS Roadster from AM Leeds a year ago, only had the original 10 y/o factory fit PPF on the rear exposed arches.
One arch had a clear 'bullet hole' in the 10 year old film, so booked it in to my local workshop who specialise in ceramic/PPF & correction.
Had the full front/sides/pillars/mirrors and new rear arches covered. It looks brand new!
The AM Works chap who collected it for a service last week and gave me his pink 'damage' slip - perfect nothing on it at all.
Spoke to him for a while and he said it was lovely to see no damage on a 10 y/o car, so many are 'scruffy' especially the newer models he picks up - I guess the guys paying £100K+ have less cares in the world, but without them we would have no 2nd hand cars to buy!
I am opposite of popular replies here. I keep one special car at a time. I have access to commuter vehicles and only use my one special car for special circumstances so it simply does not see much "environment".
I completely understand those who choose PPF and the reasons they do so, yet I choose to enjoy the beauty of the original paint, even expecting, like anything in life, mars and scars, even if slight, reflect the reality of life.
Injecting a little levity here, PPF reminds me of this. It takes a little bit of imagination to process how this piece goes through its life. So protected, no one wants to use it...then someday, it will be 17 years old with brand new fabric...that no one wants.
I completely understand those who choose PPF and the reasons they do so, yet I choose to enjoy the beauty of the original paint, even expecting, like anything in life, mars and scars, even if slight, reflect the reality of life.
Injecting a little levity here, PPF reminds me of this. It takes a little bit of imagination to process how this piece goes through its life. So protected, no one wants to use it...then someday, it will be 17 years old with brand new fabric...that no one wants.
Well said skhannes.
PPF can't help but remind me of those stereo hi-fi systems from the 1990s that people left the large plastic stickers all over. Sure, removing the stickers would very satisfyingly unveil a beautiful shiny unblemished surface underneath, but what's the point, if you never got to fully enjoy that surface during the primary period of use.
PPF can't help but remind me of those stereo hi-fi systems from the 1990s that people left the large plastic stickers all over. Sure, removing the stickers would very satisfyingly unveil a beautiful shiny unblemished surface underneath, but what's the point, if you never got to fully enjoy that surface during the primary period of use.
skhannes said:
I am opposite of popular replies here. I keep one special car at a time. I have access to commuter vehicles and only use my one special car for special circumstances so it simply does not see much "environment".
I completely understand those who choose PPF and the reasons they do so, yet I choose to enjoy the beauty of the original paint, even expecting, like anything in life, mars and scars, even if slight, reflect the reality of life.
Injecting a little levity here, PPF reminds me of this. It takes a little bit of imagination to process how this piece goes through its life. So protected, no one wants to use it...then someday, it will be 17 years old with brand new fabric...that no one wants.
I think you are talking out your rear end if you believe that well executed PPF will detract from anyone enjoying the original paint . In fact in many cases unless you were informed it was there PPF is at first glance barely visible . Nobody I suspect goes to the expense of fitting PPF in order not to use a Car , in fact its quite the opposite . If your car doesn't see much Environment then clearly your needs as regards PPF will be different to many of us but the idea that a "pock marked " 17 year old Aston Vantage will be more desirable than a pristine one covered in PPF is utter rubbish . I completely understand those who choose PPF and the reasons they do so, yet I choose to enjoy the beauty of the original paint, even expecting, like anything in life, mars and scars, even if slight, reflect the reality of life.
Injecting a little levity here, PPF reminds me of this. It takes a little bit of imagination to process how this piece goes through its life. So protected, no one wants to use it...then someday, it will be 17 years old with brand new fabric...that no one wants.
Personally I use the same Bloke as Aston Works use . On account of his work with them he is very difficult to get hold of which makes me wonder what percentage of new Astons and indeed older ones are now being covered in PPF ? It must be growing in popularity .
brother ted said:
Well said skhannes.
PPF can't help but remind me of those stereo hi-fi systems from the 1990s that people left the large plastic stickers all over. Sure, removing the stickers would very satisfyingly unveil a beautiful shiny unblemished surface underneath, but what's the point, if you never got to fully enjoy that surface during the primary period of use.
Brother Ted ? You would get more sense out of Father Ted . What' do you mean about never getting to fully enjoy the surface during its primary period of use ? If you were in the market for an Aston and you were faced with one needing a full repaint or one Pristine under PPF which one would you buy ?PPF can't help but remind me of those stereo hi-fi systems from the 1990s that people left the large plastic stickers all over. Sure, removing the stickers would very satisfyingly unveil a beautiful shiny unblemished surface underneath, but what's the point, if you never got to fully enjoy that surface during the primary period of use.
" Oh I shall take the one needing a £35k repaint at Newport Pagnell please safe in the knowledge that the Previous Owner hasn't given a Monkeys but fully enjoyed the Primary use of his Car " Utter nonsense .
MatLock said:
My experience, always put modern self healing PPF on the 'weekend' cars I own, as I only have one at a time and I want to ensure they look beautiful and well kept,
Got my 2013 V8VS Roadster from AM Leeds a year ago, only had the original 10 y/o factory fit PPF on the rear exposed arches.
One arch had a clear 'bullet hole' in the 10 year old film, so booked it in to my local workshop who specialise in ceramic/PPF & correction.
Had the full front/sides/pillars/mirrors and new rear arches covered. It looks brand new!
The AM Works chap who collected it for a service last week and gave me his pink 'damage' slip - perfect nothing on it at all.
Spoke to him for a while and he said it was lovely to see no damage on a 10 y/o car, so many are 'scruffy' especially the newer models he picks up - I guess the guys paying £100K+ have less cares in the world, but without them we would have no 2nd hand cars to buy!
Fair play to you preserving your Investment . You work hard enough for it .Got my 2013 V8VS Roadster from AM Leeds a year ago, only had the original 10 y/o factory fit PPF on the rear exposed arches.
One arch had a clear 'bullet hole' in the 10 year old film, so booked it in to my local workshop who specialise in ceramic/PPF & correction.
Had the full front/sides/pillars/mirrors and new rear arches covered. It looks brand new!
The AM Works chap who collected it for a service last week and gave me his pink 'damage' slip - perfect nothing on it at all.
Spoke to him for a while and he said it was lovely to see no damage on a 10 y/o car, so many are 'scruffy' especially the newer models he picks up - I guess the guys paying £100K+ have less cares in the world, but without them we would have no 2nd hand cars to buy!
reddiesel said:
brother ted said:
PPF can't help but remind me of those stereo hi-fi systems from the 1990s that people left the large plastic stickers all over. Sure, removing the stickers would very satisfyingly unveil a beautiful shiny unblemished surface underneath, but what's the point, if you never got to fully enjoy that surface during the primary period of use.
Brother Ted ? You would get more sense out of Father Ted . What' do you mean about never getting to fully enjoy the surface during its primary period of use ? If you were in the market for an Aston and you were faced with one needing a full repaint or one Pristine under PPF which one would you buy ?" Oh I shall take the one needing a £35k repaint at Newport Pagnell please safe in the knowledge that the Previous Owner hasn't given a Monkeys but fully enjoyed the Primary use of his Car " Utter nonsense .
Your scenario of buying a second-hand car has absolutely nothing to do the point made. Yes, PPF is great for selling a car on. But it prioritises the enjoyment of the future owner (who takes the plastic off) over yourself. Do that if you want.
Edited by atrossity on Friday 15th December 15:40
atrossity said:
It's obvious what was meant. You either enjoy the beautiful paint job in all its natural glory, or you cover it in plastic. Yes, plastic – the dirty word that PPF advertisers don't like to use because... well, it's plastic.
Your scenario of buying a second-hand car has absolutely nothing to do the point made. Yes, PPF is great for selling a car on. But it prioritises the enjoyment of the future owner (who takes the plastic off) over yourself. Do that if you want.
How does it prioritise the enjoyment of the future owner over yourself when you yourself have made the choice to have it fitted in the first place . Nobody fits PPF and thinks " I shall forsake my enjoyment of this splendid paint job in order to give the next Owner the pleasure of taking it off " and how do you reason the next Owner will take it off anyway ? The Dealership won't take it off , they will advise you leave this sacrificial coating in place and simply update any Panels that are marked . I cant understand why you are getting fixated on the material being plastic , Astons are full of plastics .Your scenario of buying a second-hand car has absolutely nothing to do the point made. Yes, PPF is great for selling a car on. But it prioritises the enjoyment of the future owner (who takes the plastic off) over yourself. Do that if you want.
Edited by atrossity on Friday 15th December 15:40
Edited by reddiesel on Friday 15th December 17:33
reddiesel said:
I think you are talking out your rear end if you believe that well executed PPF will detract from anyone enjoying the original paint . In fact in many cases unless you were informed it was there PPF is at first glance barely visible . Nobody I suspect goes to the expense of fitting PPF in order not to use a Car , in fact its quite the opposite . If your car doesn't see much Environment then clearly your needs as regards PPF will be different to many of us but the idea that a "pock marked " 17 year old Aston Vantage will be more desirable than a pristine one covered in PPF is utter rubbish .
Personally I use the same Bloke as Aston Works use . On account of his work with them he is very difficult to get hold of which makes me wonder what percentage of new Astons and indeed older ones are now being covered in PPF ? It must be growing in popularity .
Reddiesel - I think you are taking things too seriously. Based on what you've written here...I will not be responsible if you give yourself a heart attack. Try a sedative, maybe. This topic is not worth it. Personally I use the same Bloke as Aston Works use . On account of his work with them he is very difficult to get hold of which makes me wonder what percentage of new Astons and indeed older ones are now being covered in PPF ? It must be growing in popularity .
Best,
I think we are forgetting one thing. Modern PPF like 3M Suntek is very clear. The beauty of the paint definitely shows through in all its "glory". I have xexon grey which has a ton of movement in the paint due to lots of fleck. In the sunlight you can see all the intricacies of the paint. To forgo PPF because it dulls the paint is ridiculous. In 10 years when it becomes defective have it replaced. I have had multiple cars with PPF replaced over the years with no problem. Just need to go to a competent installer.
I’ve got Xpel Ultimate over the whole car and Gyeon ceramic coating. If anything it looks better than the original paint. Not a single swirl mark and so shiny. The flecks shine beautifully in the sunlight too. Here’s a close up, lost some image quality in the upload but you get the idea.
To PPF or not to PPF that is the question.
I recently had a quote to repaint my bonnet on my Gen 2 Vanquish. I ppf'd the front, roof, side mirrors, exposed guards with what they call a race pack. This was done 3 years ago and 35k klms ago.
The bonnet was looking very marked and needed refreshing hence the quote for a respray.
To do this I had to have the old PPF removed which I did through the original installer. It came off relatively easily and there was no damage done in its removal.
Once removed and any residual glue polished off I was astounded to see that there was only one stone chip that was visible as an addition since the PPF was installed.
As a consequence I will touch up this minor chip myself and have the new PPF installed. The cost for removal $160 the new ppf $600 cost to repaint $1300, so I am very happy with the protection the PPF provided. There were many klm done in lively convoy driving with like minded Aston Owners Graze being one of them. There was no yellowing or change in clarity of the ppf either.
Some comparison photos attached for your edification.![](https://forums-images.pistonheads.com/589561/202404192700686?resize=720[/img]</a> <a href="https://forums-images.pistonheads.com/589561/202404192753153" Target="_blank" >[img]https://forums-images.pistonheads.com/589561/202404192753153?resize=720)
I recently had a quote to repaint my bonnet on my Gen 2 Vanquish. I ppf'd the front, roof, side mirrors, exposed guards with what they call a race pack. This was done 3 years ago and 35k klms ago.
The bonnet was looking very marked and needed refreshing hence the quote for a respray.
To do this I had to have the old PPF removed which I did through the original installer. It came off relatively easily and there was no damage done in its removal.
Once removed and any residual glue polished off I was astounded to see that there was only one stone chip that was visible as an addition since the PPF was installed.
As a consequence I will touch up this minor chip myself and have the new PPF installed. The cost for removal $160 the new ppf $600 cost to repaint $1300, so I am very happy with the protection the PPF provided. There were many klm done in lively convoy driving with like minded Aston Owners Graze being one of them. There was no yellowing or change in clarity of the ppf either.
Some comparison photos attached for your edification.
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