Aston DB9 v Aston Vanquish Mk 1

[VanquishRider]

Longy00000 said:

I think he is referring to the gen 1 Vanq which is a whole different kettle of fish to the gen 2.
Comparing a DB9 to the gen 2 Vanq would be a no contest for most with rhe Vanq probably wiinning everytime. However against the gen 1 car, then the 9 is probably a much safer bet

But will lose as much in depreciation each year as you would spend on a VQ1 in maintenance per year? VQ 1 will be depreciation free and at some point soon will climb in value. DB9 will climb in value one day also. But that is a decade or two away at the very very earliest.

V12 Vantage should also be considered? Doubtful it will have any depreciation either?

[ds666]

karatemaserati said:

Id go for Db9.2.. 2013 onwards its pretty much a DBS

10k a year lol you will be through a clutch in no time on a vanquish unless it's just been done and they are like 5k a pop

Is that your personal experience ? How long have you owned a Vanquish for ? Or did a mate tell you down the pub ?

[Longy00000]

VanquishRider said:

Longy00000 said:

I think he is referring to the gen 1 Vanq which is a whole different kettle of fish to the gen 2.
Comparing a DB9 to the gen 2 Vanq would be a no contest for most with rhe Vanq probably wiinning everytime. However against the gen 1 car, then the 9 is probably a much safer bet

But will lose as much in depreciation each year as you would spend on a VQ1 in maintenance per year? VQ 1 will be depreciation free and at some point soon will climb in value. DB9 will climb in value one day also. But that is a decade or two away at the very very earliest.

V12 Vantage should also be considered? Doubtful it will have any depreciation either?

I'm not sure I would agree with you here.
Vanq 1 are still going down with 3 cars currently on AT still for sale 2 years after I first 'short listed' them myself. Very low mileage cars and one has been reduced 30% in those 2 years.

Similarly 2 years ago early 6spd Vanq were £65 to ££75k now more £60 to £70k range
8 spds used to be £80 to £90k with occasional outlier about £100k now most sitting in £75 to £85k range so only a minor adjustment given the shift in car prices generally .
The S cars have dropped a bit more over the same time but have recently started to tick up again so a little more difficult to say what's happening with them.
I can't say I've monitored or taken any notice of DB9 prices over the last 2 years so can't comment on them

Ultimately no one needs any of these cars so OP should buy whichever one he WANTS the most

[NDA]

I had the V12 Vanquish (Mk 1) when they first came out. A thing of beauty. But seriously flawed in this owners opinion - particularly the gearbox and clutch.

The DB9 is a far easier car to live with. That would be my choice.

[Calinours]

NDA said:

I had the V12 Vanquish (Mk 1) when they first came out. A thing of beauty. But seriously flawed in this owners opinion - particularly the gearbox and clutch.

The DB9 is a far easier car to live with. That would be my choice.

Careful, you’ll have Mr 666 wading in to tell you that you are entirely wrong and it’s because you didn’t know how to drive…

[AstonZagato]

If you can find a manual swapped Vanquish 1 then I'd take that over a DB9 otherwise I'd go DB9. If you can stretch to the Vanquish 2, that is the car to own IMHO.

[NDA]

Not long before I sold mine, I asked the factory if there would ever be a manual conversion - I was given a flat 'no'. I sold it and bought something else soon after that.

The same factory that charged me £12.50 labour to fit a new umbrella into velcro straps in the boot - as part of a £13k bill for other work. Fun times.

[ds666]

Calinours said:

NDA said:

I had the V12 Vanquish (Mk 1) when they first came out. A thing of beauty. But seriously flawed in this owners opinion - particularly the gearbox and clutch.

The DB9 is a far easier car to live with. That would be my choice.

Careful, you’ll have Mr 666 wading in to tell you that you are entirely wrong and it’s because you didn’t know how to drive…

Aye , woe betide anyone on here who uses actual ownership knowledge to back up their views …
You will note I suggested to the op that the Vq wasn’t the best choice as a daily - I would never daily mine.
All automated manuals need driver input . The Vq box is no worse than bmw’s smg - and before you ask I’ve had 3 of them ( m3 and e60 m5x2)
But poor show attacking the man ….not expected in these parts .

[VanquishRider]

Longy00000 said:

VanquishRider said:

Longy00000 said:

I think he is referring to the gen 1 Vanq which is a whole different kettle of fish to the gen 2.
Comparing a DB9 to the gen 2 Vanq would be a no contest for most with rhe Vanq probably wiinning everytime. However against the gen 1 car, then the 9 is probably a much safer bet

But will lose as much in depreciation each year as you would spend on a VQ1 in maintenance per year? VQ 1 will be depreciation free and at some point soon will climb in value. DB9 will climb in value one day also. But that is a decade or two away at the very very earliest.

V12 Vantage should also be considered? Doubtful it will have any depreciation either?

I'm not sure I would agree with you here.
Vanq 1 are still going down with 3 cars currently on AT still for sale 2 years after I first 'short listed' them myself. Very low mileage cars and one has been reduced 30% in those 2 years.

Similarly 2 years ago early 6spd Vanq were £65 to ££75k now more £60 to £70k range
8 spds used to be £80 to £90k with occasional outlier about £100k now most sitting in £75 to £85k range so only a minor adjustment given the shift in car prices generally .
The S cars have dropped a bit more over the same time but have recently started to tick up again so a little more difficult to say what's happening with them.
I can't say I've monitored or taken any notice of DB9 prices over the last 2 years so can't comment on them

Ultimately no one needs any of these cars so OP should buy whichever one he WANTS the most

You are talking about the wrong car. No 8 speeds Vanq 1's exist.

[VanquishRider]

NDA said:

I had the V12 Vanquish (Mk 1) when they first came out. A thing of beauty. But seriously flawed in this owners opinion - particularly the gearbox and clutch.

The DB9 is a far easier car to live with. That would be my choice.

Before the gearbox and clutch modifications? DB9 is easier to live with, but the depreciation isn't and will depreciate for a long time yet.

[VanquishRider]

ds666 said:

karatemaserati said:

Id go for Db9.2.. 2013 onwards its pretty much a DBS

10k a year lol you will be through a clutch in no time on a vanquish unless it's just been done and they are like 5k a pop

Is that your personal experience ? How long have you owned a Vanquish for ? Or did a mate tell you down the pub ?

9 years in and I'm on the same clutch and it gets used plenty.

[Davil]

VanquishRider said:

9 years in and I'm on the same clutch and it gets used plenty.

Beautiful car and photos. Love it.

[Davil]

ds666 said:

Aye , woe betide anyone on here who uses actual ownership knowledge to back up their views …
You will note I suggested to the op that the Vq wasn’t the best choice as a daily - I would never daily mine.
All automated manuals need driver input . The Vq box is no worse than bmw’s smg - and before you ask I’ve had 3 of them ( m3 and e60 m5x2)
But poor show attacking the man ….not expected in these parts .

Don’t take it to heart. Calinours & Jon39 do often seem to post rather unusual things after what I expect is… imbibing.
I’m sure it’s a great car and I believe you as most of us probably do. Lovely things those old Vanquishes.

[Longy00000]

VanquishRider said:

You are talking about the wrong car. No 8 speeds Vanq 1's exist.

I give up.
The Vanq 2 was clearly introduced into the conversation, and I believe but may be wrong that my post indicated my comments to both the V1 and then the V2 cars.

Over the last couple of years the newer Vanq 2 cars appear to have depreciated less than the earlier Vanq1 cars which was my point.
I agree with other posters that the DB9 will continue to slide purely because of the large numbers built not the abilities of the car. Its pretty robust and well loved but there are many thousands out there.

[V8LM]

Fabulous car. Many happy miles and eight years of ownership. Including insurance, servicing, tyres, petrol, ... , still made a profit when sold.

Wouldn't ever be a daily for me, though. DB9 for that.

GFW_7626 by v8lemon, on Flickr

[NDA]

VanquishRider said:

Before the gearbox and clutch modifications? DB9 is easier to live with, but the depreciation isn't and will depreciate for a long time yet.

I assume he isn't buying a new DB9? It will already be a bit of a bargain.

The reg on yours is my father's initials - caught my eye immediately. My reg raised the occasional smile.

[VanquishRider]

Longy00000 said:

VanquishRider said:

You are talking about the wrong car. No 8 speeds Vanq 1's exist.

I give up.
The Vanq 2 was clearly introduced into the conversation, and I believe but may be wrong that my post indicated my comments to both the V1 and then the V2 cars.

Over the last couple of years the newer Vanq 2 cars appear to have depreciated less than the earlier Vanq1 cars which was my point.
I agree with other posters that the DB9 will continue to slide purely because of the large numbers built not the abilities of the car. Its pretty robust and well loved but there are many thousands out there.

Exactly and that is the point of my posts. DB9 would be easier to live with also. But it will never be a better car than Vanquish for many reasons. Shear volume of them is the biggest issue. They will hit £10k soon enough like DB7's are currently doing. The lowest value cars drag down the highest value cars. Same for Vanquish, but you couldn't buy a wrecked Vanquish for £10k.

[VanquishRider]

NDA said:

VanquishRider said:

Before the gearbox and clutch modifications? DB9 is easier to live with, but the depreciation isn't and will depreciate for a long time yet.

I assume he isn't buying a new DB9? It will already be a bit of a bargain.

The reg on yours is my father's initials - caught my eye immediately. My reg raised the occasional smile.

That a nice car. You need to come and join the crowd.

[Calinours]

VanquishRider said:

Longy00000 said:

VanquishRider said:

You are talking about the wrong car. No 8 speeds Vanq 1's exist.

I give up.
The Vanq 2 was clearly introduced into the conversation, and I believe but may be wrong that my post indicated my comments to both the V1 and then the V2 cars.

Over the last couple of years the newer Vanq 2 cars appear to have depreciated less than the earlier Vanq1 cars which was my point.
I agree with other posters that the DB9 will continue to slide purely because of the large numbers built not the abilities of the car. Its pretty robust and well loved but there are many thousands out there.

Exactly and that is the point of my posts. DB9 would be easier to live with also. But it will never be a better car than Vanquish for many reasons. Shear volume of them is the biggest issue. They will hit £10k soon enough like DB7's are currently doing. The lowest value cars drag down the highest value cars. Same for Vanquish, but you couldn't buy a wrecked Vanquish for £10k.

I’ve been keeping tabs on early DB9 and Vantage values for about 15yrs. Like the early 4.3 Vantage, reasonably straight early DB9 hit their 20k floor almost a decade ago. Anything significantly below that is Cat D/N, accident damaged, blown engine etc. They aren’t going to drop to the 10k and below levels of I6 DB7, there are too many secret admirers who would be willing to take a chance at the sub 20-25k point. Like the early n/a Vantage, early DB9 values have been effectively flat for a long time.

As BR Mike explains quite well in his videos, these floor values pretty much define what the ‘next one up’ value range is.

I’d agree the original Vanquish is a completely different beast from the much more mainstream, dare I say it more ‘assembled’ if not quite mass produced Gaydon cars. The original Vanq is the last of the hand made NP leviathans, it’s a true Bond car and it deservedly has its own niche.

Also, I’ve no doubt that the upgrades available for the transmission do improve things sufficiently to make the gearbox a non issue.

[VanquishRider]

Calinours said:

I’ve been keeping tabs on early DB9 and Vantage values for about 15yrs. Like the early 4.3 Vantage, reasonably straight early DB9 hit their 20k floor almost a decade ago. Anything significantly below that is Cat D/N, accident damaged, blown engine etc. They aren’t going to drop to the 10k and below levels of I6 DB7, there are too many secret admirers who would be willing to take a chance at the sub 20-25k point. Like the early n/a Vantage, early DB9 values have been effectively flat for a long time.

As BR Mike explains quite well in his videos, these floor values pretty much define what the ‘next one up’ value range is.

I’d agree the original Vanquish is a completely different beast from the much more mainstream, dare I say it more ‘assembled’ if not quite mass produced Gaydon cars. The original Vanq is the last of the hand made NP leviathans, it’s a true Bond car and it deservedly has its own niche.

Also, I’ve no doubt that the upgrades available for the transmission do improve things sufficiently to make the gearbox a non issue.

The problem with early Gaydon cars and even Vanquish to some extent. That as time marches on, the poorer quality cars are even poorer quality than the year before. So prices for those cars get dragged down further. The spiral of decline goes on until they get parted out and the quantity of cars has diminished to the point the values climb again because only good cars still exist. When prices have risen enough it becomes viable to rebuild poor quality cars.

Yes there will be a lot of admirers. But how brave are they. And if Mike Beake continues his doom and gloom videos all that will happen is prices will fall faster and few will be brave enough.

Mike Beake is so negative these days that main dealers won't use him and the independents are turning away in droves. The AM community is getting increasingly pissed off with him. He should try selling the capabilities he clearly has and the fact solutions exist rather than trying to scare every owner into spending half their cars value on BR upgrades.