Engine briefly cutting out
Discussion
Thought I'd also put my name down on this thread as it has happen twice to me in the last few months.
Both times it was under acceleration, in fact on the exact same piece of road.
One thing i did notice was that none of the dash lights came on which is what i would have expected to
happen if it was a engine cut?
Both times it was under acceleration, in fact on the exact same piece of road.
One thing i did notice was that none of the dash lights came on which is what i would have expected to
happen if it was a engine cut?
Hey WHOAMI - sorry to hear that you're still having big problems. They took my car away on Tuesday and returned it to me today with the new fuel tank fitted (plus some corroded bits replaced). I am going to try to get some miles on it over the coming weeks and will, of course, report back to the thread. Fingers crossed they've got it right and the fuel tank will cure it.
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
oceantools said:
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
Interesting. But still, cruise control involves the throttle slightly even on a flat road otherwise you'd come to a standstill.The most surprising thing to me is the fact, that there is no error logged in the OBD system. It's not a 30 years old ship diesel engine, isn't it ?
Such a cut out should raise errors/unplausible values on all kind of sensors, right ? bmartin yes except if it is a power supply problem to the ecu, mapping/ecu data error, mechanical fault, canbus communication error, earth fault, the ecu software crashing, magnetic or electrical interference, power surges, to name but a few, modern cars really are very complex, no longer do you press a button which operates a relay to power a component,it's all done by requests to different ecu's with priority given to the main systems first,if for whatever reason signals get mixed up spurious results can occur,
This problem obviously is not isolated, on saying this i have not had a car in where this problem has been reported so i have not been able to review any data this also means there are many cars not exhibiting the fault, i know under good authority that people like des lea one of Aston Martin's top techs is looking at cars with this issue,
In a situation like this no one is happy not the consumer or the manufacturer, it will not do Aston Martin any good if customers lose faith in there product, it really is in everyone's interest to get it sorted,
Aston will need as much information as possible from customers and dealers, i could speculate for hours on the possible causes but if i had any info that would be useful i would forward it directly to Aston Martin, i will gladly receive any details, compile it and send it to Aston Martin,
As i posted earlier car details (mileage, chassis number) symptoms with as many details as possible as in weather conditions, the car cold warm hot, thottle position, which gear, is it the same stretch of road, uphill downhill etc who has looked at it what have they tried, then forward it to Aston,i could produce a form with the details i think could help,
This problem obviously is not isolated, on saying this i have not had a car in where this problem has been reported so i have not been able to review any data this also means there are many cars not exhibiting the fault, i know under good authority that people like des lea one of Aston Martin's top techs is looking at cars with this issue,
In a situation like this no one is happy not the consumer or the manufacturer, it will not do Aston Martin any good if customers lose faith in there product, it really is in everyone's interest to get it sorted,
Aston will need as much information as possible from customers and dealers, i could speculate for hours on the possible causes but if i had any info that would be useful i would forward it directly to Aston Martin, i will gladly receive any details, compile it and send it to Aston Martin,
As i posted earlier car details (mileage, chassis number) symptoms with as many details as possible as in weather conditions, the car cold warm hot, thottle position, which gear, is it the same stretch of road, uphill downhill etc who has looked at it what have they tried, then forward it to Aston,i could produce a form with the details i think could help,
Edited by rick-dms- on Friday 3rd April 21:23
oceantools said:
Hey WHOAMI - sorry to hear that you're still having big problems. They took my car away on Tuesday and returned it to me today with the new fuel tank fitted (plus some corroded bits replaced). I am going to try to get some miles on it over the coming weeks and will, of course, report back to the thread. Fingers crossed they've got it right and the fuel tank will cure it.
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
I have told them about the fuel tank issue on several occasions now. For whatever reason they have done nothing about it. As I posted previously, they have changed the wiring loom and ECU and are convinced that the problem is electrical.It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
Whatever, the problem remains and, following me calling Aston Martin directly, an Aston Martin technical guy is visiting the dealer on Monday.
I have made it clear to them that without a written guarantee that they have found and eliminated the problem, I will not be having the car back.
Still, I have a lovely diesel 3-series estate in place of my lovely Aston.
Every cloud, eh?
I think the 'repeatable' nature of the problem is very interesting. And I like Dick's ideas about logging incidences.
I've seen it:-
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
I've seen it:-
- Driving into our village and accelerating from 20-->60 mph. It's happened three times here. Accelerating in 2nd.
- Happened twice within maybe 50m of each other on a straight road next to Aberdeen Airport's main radar. Was going in opposite directions when it happened. Flat road, constant speed, no throttle action.
- Happened exactly at the end of Aberdeen Airport main runway where the ILS would be pointing. Flat road not accelerating or braking.
- Happened going past mobile phone antenna on, oh, at least three occasions.
- Very gentle right hander going up very gentle incline - occurred twice in same location. 60 mph accelerating medium hard.
- Talking to Dealer on hands-free about window & radio not working; happened on M6 toll cruise control indicated 80 mph.
- Few more where I can't remember precise locations.
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
Edited by oceantools on Saturday 4th April 21:20
oceantools said:
I think the 'repeatable' nature of the problem is very interesting. And I like Dick's ideas about logging incidences.
I've seen it:-
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
That is the question then, is this glitch appearing in the same locations for everyone, or is it random?I've seen it:-
- Driving into our village and accelerating from 20-->60 mph. It's happened three times here. Accelerating in 2nd.
- Happened twice within maybe 50m of each other on a straight road next to Aberdeen Airport's main radar. Was going in opposite directions when it happened. Flat road, constant speed, no throttle action.
- Happened exactly at the end of Aberdeen Airport main runway where the ILS would be pointing. Flat road not accelerating or braking.
- Happened going past mobile phone antenna on, oh, at least three occasions.
- Very gentle right hander going up very gentle incline - occurred twice in same location. 60 mph accelerating medium hard.
- Talking to Dealer on hands-free about window & radio not working; happened on M6 toll cruise control indicated 80 mph.
- Few more where I can't remember precise locations.
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
Edited by oceantools on Saturday 4th April 21:20
stanwan said:
oceantools said:
I think the 'repeatable' nature of the problem is very interesting. And I like Dick's ideas about logging incidences.
I've seen it:-
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
That is the question then, is this glitch appearing in the same locations for everyone, or is it random?I've seen it:-
- Driving into our village and accelerating from 20-->60 mph. It's happened three times here. Accelerating in 2nd.
- Happened twice within maybe 50m of each other on a straight road next to Aberdeen Airport's main radar. Was going in opposite directions when it happened. Flat road, constant speed, no throttle action.
- Happened exactly at the end of Aberdeen Airport main runway where the ILS would be pointing. Flat road not accelerating or braking.
- Happened going past mobile phone antenna on, oh, at least three occasions.
- Very gentle right hander going up very gentle incline - occurred twice in same location. 60 mph accelerating medium hard.
- Talking to Dealer on hands-free about window & radio not working; happened on M6 toll cruise control indicated 80 mph.
- Few more where I can't remember precise locations.
Being an electronics engineer developing subsea electronic products I've always wondered if it might be an electronics screening issue and that maybe my BlackBerry or, latterly, my iPhone was punching through - especially when moving from one cellar cell to the next cell. Or that combined with electro-magnetic fields from radar etc (no UFO theories please!).
Edited by oceantools on Saturday 4th April 21:20
whoami said:
oceantools said:
Hey WHOAMI - sorry to hear that you're still having big problems. They took my car away on Tuesday and returned it to me today with the new fuel tank fitted (plus some corroded bits replaced). I am going to try to get some miles on it over the coming weeks and will, of course, report back to the thread. Fingers crossed they've got it right and the fuel tank will cure it.
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
I have told them about the fuel tank issue on several occasions now. For whatever reason they have done nothing about it. As I posted previously, they have changed the wiring loom and ECU and are convinced that the problem is electrical.It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
Whatever, the problem remains and, following me calling Aston Martin directly, an Aston Martin technical guy is visiting the dealer on Monday.
I have made it clear to them that without a written guarantee that they have found and eliminated the problem, I will not be having the car back.
Still, I have a lovely diesel 3-series estate in place of my lovely Aston.
Every cloud, eh?
Talk.
Just had a call from the dealership telling me that he has not turned up and that it will now be Thursday.
I've bought two new cars from them (Aston Martin) within an 18 month period (at a time when they are not exactly flying off the shelves) and they just piss me about like this.
My car is now destined to sit at the dealership for yet more days whilst they fart about misleading me.
I'm totally sick of it.
whoami said:
whoami said:
oceantools said:
Hey WHOAMI - sorry to hear that you're still having big problems. They took my car away on Tuesday and returned it to me today with the new fuel tank fitted (plus some corroded bits replaced). I am going to try to get some miles on it over the coming weeks and will, of course, report back to the thread. Fingers crossed they've got it right and the fuel tank will cure it.
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
I have told them about the fuel tank issue on several occasions now. For whatever reason they have done nothing about it. As I posted previously, they have changed the wiring loom and ECU and are convinced that the problem is electrical.It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
Whatever, the problem remains and, following me calling Aston Martin directly, an Aston Martin technical guy is visiting the dealer on Monday.
I have made it clear to them that without a written guarantee that they have found and eliminated the problem, I will not be having the car back.
Still, I have a lovely diesel 3-series estate in place of my lovely Aston.
Every cloud, eh?
Talk.
Just had a call from the dealership telling me that he has not turned up and that it will now be Thursday.
I've bought two new cars from them (Aston Martin) within an 18 month period (at a time when they are not exactly flying off the shelves) and they just piss me about like this.
My car is now destined to sit at the dealership for yet more days whilst they fart about misleading me.
I'm totally sick of it.
whoami said:
My car is now destined to sit at the dealership for yet more days whilst they fart about misleading me.
I'm totally sick of it.
Sorry to hear the problem still hasn't been resolved Neil, can't they lend you a decent car while its in being fiddled with (Roadster....DB9.....DBS). If it isn't an easy fix Lucky may be right, in that you could ask for a new car if it was delivered with the fault & they haven't been able to resolve it!I'm totally sick of it.
Fingers crossed it get's sorted this week.
Edited by Grant3 on Wednesday 8th April 13:31
Luckyluciano said:
whoami said:
whoami said:
oceantools said:
Hey WHOAMI - sorry to hear that you're still having big problems. They took my car away on Tuesday and returned it to me today with the new fuel tank fitted (plus some corroded bits replaced). I am going to try to get some miles on it over the coming weeks and will, of course, report back to the thread. Fingers crossed they've got it right and the fuel tank will cure it.
It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
I have told them about the fuel tank issue on several occasions now. For whatever reason they have done nothing about it. As I posted previously, they have changed the wiring loom and ECU and are convinced that the problem is electrical.It should be noted that I once had the cutting-out problem on the M6 toll with the car on cruise-control on a flat road (the point of this being there was no throttle involvement and it still had the problem).
Whatever, the problem remains and, following me calling Aston Martin directly, an Aston Martin technical guy is visiting the dealer on Monday.
I have made it clear to them that without a written guarantee that they have found and eliminated the problem, I will not be having the car back.
Still, I have a lovely diesel 3-series estate in place of my lovely Aston.
Every cloud, eh?
Talk.
Just had a call from the dealership telling me that he has not turned up and that it will now be Thursday.
I've bought two new cars from them (Aston Martin) within an 18 month period (at a time when they are not exactly flying off the shelves) and they just piss me about like this.
My car is now destined to sit at the dealership for yet more days whilst they fart about misleading me.
I'm totally sick of it.
We'll see what the factory guy says when (if?) he eventually arrives tomorrow
Edited by whoami on Wednesday 8th April 20:04
Grant3 said:
whoami said:
My car is now destined to sit at the dealership for yet more days whilst they fart about misleading me.
I'm totally sick of it.
Sorry to hear the problem still hasn't been resolved Neil, can't they lend you a decent car while its in being fiddled with (Roadster....DB9.....DBS). If it isn't an easy fix Lucky may be right, in that you could ask for a new car if it was delivered with the fault & they haven't been able to resolve it!I'm totally sick of it.
Fingers crossed it get's sorted this week.
Edited by Grant3 on Wednesday 8th April 13:31
Yours still going fine?
Hello Chaps.
Sorry to hear of your problems with your new/modern Astons.
I am having the same problem with my Virage. Any ideas? I should imagine that the electronics are less sophisticated on my car.
Where can we get the logging equipment from?
Many thanks, and I hope your problems are resolved soon.
JJ
Sorry to hear of your problems with your new/modern Astons.
I am having the same problem with my Virage. Any ideas? I should imagine that the electronics are less sophisticated on my car.
Where can we get the logging equipment from?
Many thanks, and I hope your problems are resolved soon.
JJ
Hello Chaps.
Sorry to hear of your problems with your new/modern Astons.
I am having the same problem with my Virage. Any ideas? I should imagine that the electronics are less sophisticated on my car.
Where can we get the logging equipment from?
Many thanks, and I hope your problems are resolved soon.
JJ
Sorry to hear of your problems with your new/modern Astons.
I am having the same problem with my Virage. Any ideas? I should imagine that the electronics are less sophisticated on my car.
Where can we get the logging equipment from?
Many thanks, and I hope your problems are resolved soon.
JJ
UPDATE
The factory technician eventually arrived at the dealership and took the car out.
In very brief summary, his conclusion is that there is (was) a possibly dodgy earth connection (the one that "attaches to the bulkhead" if that means anything to anyone).
He has sorted this out and also ordered a "docking unit" which is apparently the bit that the key goes into. The replacement of this part is a belt and braces move on his part.
This arrives tomorrow and will be fitted then.
More test driving by dealer ensues.......................
On a positive note, I'm getting over 30mpg in the courtesy car.
Who-hoo
The factory technician eventually arrived at the dealership and took the car out.
In very brief summary, his conclusion is that there is (was) a possibly dodgy earth connection (the one that "attaches to the bulkhead" if that means anything to anyone).
He has sorted this out and also ordered a "docking unit" which is apparently the bit that the key goes into. The replacement of this part is a belt and braces move on his part.
This arrives tomorrow and will be fitted then.
More test driving by dealer ensues.......................
On a positive note, I'm getting over 30mpg in the courtesy car.
Who-hoo
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