Anyone at Bedford Autodrome 18th April? Ouchhh!!!
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Edited by m33ufo on Tuesday 21st April 18:21
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maybe the Aston driver had a flashback to his days of flying Spitfires.
A risk we all run on these days, if the porker driver was not so slow he might not of got in the way.
I didnt realise if there was a collision you had to pay for the other persons car? i thaught you paid your money and took your chance unless special insurance was taken out.
The Aston driver may of been agresive and not experienced but isn`t that why we do these days to improve our driving? maybe a track instructor should of given help when the marshals first noticed inexperience, I hope lessons have been learnt. On the track there will always be people that love there cars too mutch to give them a good spanking and happy to tip toe and those who want to use a track for what it is for ie to TRY AND GET ROUND IT as fast as we are able and push things to the limit ,the buzz starts when you overstep the limit (prefurably getting away with it) to hell with the concequences
Just boys do it in 4 wheels , men on two wheels and real men with balls on two wheels in the rain.
maybe the Aston driver had a flashback to his days of flying Spitfires.
A risk we all run on these days, if the porker driver was not so slow he might not of got in the way.
I didnt realise if there was a collision you had to pay for the other persons car? i thaught you paid your money and took your chance unless special insurance was taken out.
The Aston driver may of been agresive and not experienced but isn`t that why we do these days to improve our driving? maybe a track instructor should of given help when the marshals first noticed inexperience, I hope lessons have been learnt. On the track there will always be people that love there cars too mutch to give them a good spanking and happy to tip toe and those who want to use a track for what it is for ie to TRY AND GET ROUND IT as fast as we are able and push things to the limit ,the buzz starts when you overstep the limit (prefurably getting away with it) to hell with the concequences
Just boys do it in 4 wheels , men on two wheels and real men with balls on two wheels in the rain.
froggie said:
England 1 Germany 1.
maybe the Aston driver had a flashback to his days of flying Spitfires.
A risk we all run on these days, if the porker driver was not so slow he might not of got in the way.
I didnt realise if there was a collision you had to pay for the other persons car? i thaught you paid your money and took your chance unless special insurance was taken out.
The Aston driver mayofhave been agresive and not experienced but isn`t that why we do these days to improve our driving? maybe a track instructor should of given help when the marshals first noticed inexperience, I hope lessons have been learnt. On the track there will always be people that love there cars too mutch to give them a good spanking and happy to tip toe and those who want to use a track for what it is for ie to TRY AND GET ROUND IT as fast as we are able and push things to the limit ,the buzz starts when you overstep the limit (prefurably getting away with it) to hell with the concequences
Just boys do it in 4 wheels , men on two wheels and real men with balls on two wheels in the rain.
Sorry Froggie but being on the track is not to be "aggressive"! Track days are not race days and if he was warned twice by the marshals previously then the guy was, without doubt, a tmaybe the Aston driver had a flashback to his days of flying Spitfires.
A risk we all run on these days, if the porker driver was not so slow he might not of got in the way.
I didnt realise if there was a collision you had to pay for the other persons car? i thaught you paid your money and took your chance unless special insurance was taken out.
The Aston driver may
Just boys do it in 4 wheels , men on two wheels and real men with balls on two wheels in the rain.
t. I've been to a few track days with Porsche and typically most people are well behaved. Yes you want to see what your car can do, yes you want to test your skills and improve them but you do not want a wker driving beyond his means t-boning you. I was there, for the first time on my track in my V8 Roadster - wanted to get more of a feel for the car before the 'Ring trip at the end of next month. It is a heavy car on track!!!
TBH, the Aston driver had been driving very agressively from the beginning of the day from what I saw
I witnessed him spin at least 3 times and I understand he was warned by marshalls twice apparently prior to this incident happening.
He undertook the 997 into a corner most likely unsighted - I don't know of anyone in the pit lane who had much sympathy for the DB9 owner - it looked like a lovely car.
From my point of view he had been very courteous to me all day (maybe bcos I was a fellow owner) and had thanked me when I let him pass, but I was very conscious of making sure I didn't get in anyone's way all day.
TBH, the Aston driver had been driving very agressively from the beginning of the day from what I saw
I witnessed him spin at least 3 times and I understand he was warned by marshalls twice apparently prior to this incident happening.
He undertook the 997 into a corner most likely unsighted - I don't know of anyone in the pit lane who had much sympathy for the DB9 owner - it looked like a lovely car.
From my point of view he had been very courteous to me all day (maybe bcos I was a fellow owner) and had thanked me when I let him pass, but I was very conscious of making sure I didn't get in anyone's way all day.
I think what needs to be remembered is that this isn't a race - it's a track day. Courtesy and safety are surely key here and there are rules for overtaking etc. If you want to take risks and potentially cause a serious accident then I would argue that a track day isn't the place for it.
m33ufo said:
I think what needs to be remembered is that this isn't a race - it's a track day. Courtesy and safety are surely key here and there are rules for overtaking etc. If you want to take risks and potentially cause a serious accident then I would argue that a track day isn't the place for it.
Absolutely!!Just want I don't want to see when I've just booked up for Bedford in May. I do feel the marshals need to be stronger if someone is driving like an idiot, red card, send home, no warnings. Also if there is a car that is mechanically less than sound (ie spitting oil out) then again red card, send home no warnings. It is really easy to spot idiots or even hear them...most of the time most people are well behaved and there is no 'man-hood' comparisons going on...which is why I hate the 'ring cos on a public day that is full of chaps who want to show you how big their manhood is..
I didnt say it was about being agresive,(a screach of tyres,smoke,a lot of engine noise and sideways action is good for the spectator and camera but dosnt mean your going fast) i feel that the marshals should accept some blame,
as i said maybe a track instructor could of been used to iron out the aston drivers enthusiasem.
lessons were to be learnt by a few parties, including people reeding this post
but most important of all no one got physicaly hurt.
and if you canot or do not want to or cant afford to take the risk of a dammaged car be it yours or theirs your mistake or theirs then eather dont play or get track insurance, on which note i hope the people involved had
OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
as i said maybe a track instructor could of been used to iron out the aston drivers enthusiasem.
lessons were to be learnt by a few parties, including people reeding this post
but most important of all no one got physicaly hurt.
and if you canot or do not want to or cant afford to take the risk of a dammaged car be it yours or theirs your mistake or theirs then eather dont play or get track insurance, on which note i hope the people involved had
OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
I agree that on the face of it the organisers should have played a bigger part, although I’m sure they were attempting to rein the guy in without spoiling his day - in hindsight they should have removed his ar$e from the track. Unfortunately some people just won’t be told and the result is in Technicolor for all to see – one beaten up Porsche and one shagged Aston Martin!
I also agree that they should have had (and from the post they may not have), suitable insurance. But all the cover in the world wouldn’t mitigate the recklessness of the Aston driver and the fact that someone wasn’t seriously injured was down to a little luck and nothing else.
Edit...SPEED LIMITS & NO OVERTAKING!! You don’t need to hold a racing license to attend a track day, anybody can attend. There do need to be rules to hopefully ensure the event is fundamentally safe for the individuals (of varied skill levels) participating. What you’re prescribing sounds more like Death Race 3000!
I also agree that they should have had (and from the post they may not have), suitable insurance. But all the cover in the world wouldn’t mitigate the recklessness of the Aston driver and the fact that someone wasn’t seriously injured was down to a little luck and nothing else.
Edit...SPEED LIMITS & NO OVERTAKING!! You don’t need to hold a racing license to attend a track day, anybody can attend. There do need to be rules to hopefully ensure the event is fundamentally safe for the individuals (of varied skill levels) participating. What you’re prescribing sounds more like Death Race 3000!
Edited by m33ufo on Thursday 23 April 08:12
froggie said:
if you canot or do not want to or cant afford to take the risk of a dammaged car be it yours or theirs your mistake or theirs then eather dont play or get track insurance, on which note i hope the people involved had
OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
Froggie - have you ever been on a track day? Every one I've been to you can go as fast as you like, and overtake as much as you like, but in a way that holds no danger to anyone - especially other people and their P&J's. Every time I have taken my car on a track, even with insurance, I have never expected to be hit by a tosser - just the same as on the road. As has been said - TRACK DAYS ARE NOT RACE DAYS!!!!OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
Re your second comment. The guy was told at least twice not to drive as aggressively and he ignored the marshals. It was not mechanical failure, it was brain failure by a complete t
t who had little regard for his own car, let alone anyone elses. garyhun said:
froggie said:
if you canot or do not want to or cant afford to take the risk of a dammaged car be it yours or theirs your mistake or theirs then eather dont play or get track insurance, on which note i hope the people involved had
OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
Froggie - have you ever been on a track day? Every one I've been to you can go as fast as you like, and overtake as much as you like, but in a way that holds no danger to anyone - especially other people and their P&J's. Every time I have taken my car on a track, even with insurance, I have never expected to be hit by a tosser - just the same as on the road. As has been said - TRACK DAYS ARE NOT RACE DAYS!!!!OR SHOULD TRACKS HAVE SPEEDLIMITS AND NO OVERTAKING?
this could of easily been mechanical failure ie: overheated brakes or boiling fluid not neceserily driver error.
maybe the solution is to be in the car behind the backmarker
Re your second comment. The guy was told at least twice not to drive as aggressively and he ignored the marshals. It was not mechanical failure, it was brain failure by a complete t
t who had little regard for his own car, let alone anyone elses. Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 23 April 10:08
well I've got to add my condemnation! If I'd done such stupid bit of driving then I'd have been mortified. To have beeen warned then continued 'till it virtually destroyed some-one elses car is beyond belief. Track days can be fun but this guy is a tt, insert dhead smily, and should pay for all the damage done to the innocent party.
t, insert dhead smily, and should pay for all the damage done to the innocent party.I guess we are all so passionate about this cos we don't like to see two fantastic machines battered in this manner, it hurts like it hurts animal lovers when they see a horse hurt in a movie..
I must admit when I am on track for some sessions I just want to have fun and find the limit of my cars handling, (ie big poweron oversteer moments)...I know this ruins my laptimes, but they are not timed anyhow....But I only do so when it seems 'safe' to do so...I would not want the marshals stopping this. As for sudden brake fade, your brakes tell you for a few corners, 'I need to cool down, help me, slow down' before they give up, if you dont spot this then you should get a course in mechanical sympathy.
I must admit when I am on track for some sessions I just want to have fun and find the limit of my cars handling, (ie big poweron oversteer moments)...I know this ruins my laptimes, but they are not timed anyhow....But I only do so when it seems 'safe' to do so...I would not want the marshals stopping this. As for sudden brake fade, your brakes tell you for a few corners, 'I need to cool down, help me, slow down' before they give up, if you dont spot this then you should get a course in mechanical sympathy.
I am a regular participant on track days with my Porsche and only go to the PCGB organised trackdays because they are well managed by Steve Kevlin and does not allow any hooligans to spoil the day for all the others. I have over the last 5 years never witnessed any one on one accident as a result. If you are seen to drive too aggressively you are sent off and secondly if you are off the track at one point you will be called in for a little briefing and a cool down. Something like what happened at Bedford is unthinkable in more controlled circumstances.
Just in case anybody knows who it was................
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Edited by :J: on Thursday 23 April 15:57
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