Aston Martin advice from Bamford Rose independent specialist

Aston Martin advice from Bamford Rose independent specialist

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Ian_UK1

1,484 posts

125 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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V8V Pete said:
"...Does the fast road geo set up cause any increase in "tram-lining" on rutted or steeply cambered roads?"
Hope you don't mind me chipping-in here: my recent experiences may help to answer your question. My car (2014 SP10 w/ BR performance upgrade and Sportpack suspension) had BR's fast-road geo settings applied a few months ago. The differences the geo made have already been well-described above.

On to your question: near where I live, there are a couple of really badly-worn roads with quite pronounced longitudinal 'ruts' that are a great test. Driving across these with BR's fast-road setup, there's the same steering 'wiggle' as you'd get with the factory geo, but nothing more pronounced. It's a very good setup and quite benign for general use.

If, however, you start to go further, things change.

In the search for more 'front-end' in the car, I've since had more negative camber dialled-in (at the front) and this does make it more sensitive to the road surface. (This is normal: on most cars, increased front camber = more sensitive to road surface condition). The previously benign steering wiggle is now a much more pronounced 'tug' - left-right-left-right - as you go across the ruts in the road. The payback is far better front grip once in a turn, as the tyre's contact patch is flatter to the road when loaded. I think the trade-off is worth it, others may hate how it feels - definitely a matter of personal choice! Reducing the front toe-out can lessen the effect to a degree, but you have to be careful not to overdo it and kill the steering feel.

Ian

Edited by Ian_UK1 on Thursday 1st December 11:42

J12MOC

797 posts

75 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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Hi Ian
Did BR do the additional camber adjustment? Would you share the geo settings as I'm getting mine done soonest next year. I have the same car as yours. Cheers

Trexthedinosaur

1,520 posts

70 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Hello BR,
How quick can you perform a PPI? I will call tomorrow anyway.

Thanks.

Zod

34,806 posts

189 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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The_Orange said:
trigbush said:
Thanks Mate. That's helpful. I took delivery of the car yesterday and we just kind of agreed to keep it on a trickle charger, covered with a periodical check from the AML engineer from time to time...it's only until March so it should be okay.

Edited by trigbush on Thursday 29th September 07:35


Edited by trigbush on Thursday 29th September 07:36
Isn't that AM Brussels??
There is no way that car can get up or down that ramp without a horrible scraping.

(Avoid Shell Old Street, V12V owners!)

alan powley

165 posts

63 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Yes my 2010 V8.Vantage has had the magic touch from Mike at Bamford Rose.
I was going to sell the car, not happy with it from day one but always wanted a Aston .
But now it's like a new car outputting 460BHP and drives so much better now .

1 Lightened flywheel and twin plate clutch fitted .
2 New manifolds and 200 cell sports catalysts.

I never do write ups but this is my first one.

Thanks to the team at BR. I now love my car, the drive home was A1+ I have a new car now.

Alan
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F1NDW

191 posts

82 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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I haven't had a look at the Bamford Rose website for a while so I thought I'd just take a look.
Oh my god I had to hide behind my chair. Nice to see all the usual suspects in the video.
Where was Tony Hall?

Edited by F1NDW on Tuesday 17th January 03:47

CraigV12V

285 posts

84 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Mike,

I was doing some touring in Europe this summer and whilst the roof was down on my V12VS Roadster, the car, on certain roads, typically at higher speed, developed a judder. The whole car was shaking, not badly but it seemed noticeable from the steering wheel through to the whole car. On another day at similar speed on different road it was either gone or very much more subdued. Maybe it was a different wind direction or different road surface.

The car feels very tight at lesser speeds but I keep getting this juddering as we go higher up. Even with the roof up its noticeable.

So is this the scuttle shake and if so is there anything we can do to tighten up the chassis?

CSK1

808 posts

55 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Well, I have no judder or scuttle shake in mine, I hate convertibles that have scuttle shake and wouldn't stand that in my car.
I have been told that the Vantage Roadster has one of the stiffest chassis on a convertible so probably something wrong with the settings of your particular car.

BamfordMike

1,102 posts

88 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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https://youtu.be/vHlIQiWnIeg

Performance courtesy of Bamford Rose

.... one careful lady owner, never race'd or rally'd

JohnG1

2,975 posts

136 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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BamfordMike said:
https://youtu.be/vHlIQiWnIeg

Performance courtesy of Bamford Rose

.... one careful lady owner, never race'd or rally'd
What is the gearbox in that? Is it a sequential box or a Graziano box with a different gear change?

Looks like great fun

Gdc

220 posts

73 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Serious driving. Must have had studded tyres to stop going off into the trees..


BamfordMike said:
https://youtu.be/vHlIQiWnIeg

Performance courtesy of Bamford Rose

.... one careful lady owner, never race'd or rally'd

W1111AM

934 posts

60 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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BamfordMike said:
https://youtu.be/vHlIQiWnIeg

Performance courtesy of Bamford Rose

.... one careful lady owner, never race'd or rally'd
Very cool Mike

tonyhall38

4,159 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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F1NDW said:
I haven't had a look at the Bamford Rose website for a while so I thought I'd just take a look.
Oh my god I had to hide behind my chair. Nice to see all the usual suspects in the video.
Where was Tony Hall?

Edited by F1NDW on Tuesday 17th January 03:47
Doing something much more interesting.......watching paint dry probably.....

Ducatimonster46

8 posts

17 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Bought my first Aston in July last year after a couple of 911s. It a V8 Vantage N400 Roadster
Love the car to pieces except for one problem which AM wilmslow AM Bristol don't seem to be able to sort.
There is a judder when setting off especially when cold, once the. Air is warm it's intermittent but trying to set off from traffic lights as normal is embarrassing. It also engages and disengages when reversing which can be tricky, AM have set the clutch up twice and it's been a masi e improvement but the judder is still there.
They tell me this is a characteristic of the gearbox??
Is there a cure for this problem.
The car has done 25000 miles.
Any advice would be appreciated.

BamfordMike

1,102 posts

88 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Ducatimonster46 said:
Bought my first Aston in July last year after a couple of 911s. It a V8 Vantage N400 Roadster
Love the car to pieces except for one problem which AM wilmslow AM Bristol don't seem to be able to sort.
There is a judder when setting off especially when cold, once the. Air is warm it's intermittent but trying to set off from traffic lights as normal is embarrassing. It also engages and disengages when reversing which can be tricky, AM have set the clutch up twice and it's been a masi e improvement but the judder is still there.
They tell me this is a characteristic of the gearbox??
Is there a cure for this problem.
The car has done 25000 miles.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Hi.

Once the trans control unit has been wiped and system put in rapid learn mode to learn new adaptive offsets, condition of gearbox mounts and diff behaviour are both known, only component left is the clutch. Often with the symptom you state, whilst clutch friction plate might not be worn out, the pressure plate fingers relax, however, this can normally be detected by observing slave cylinder movement / clamp stroke required to achieve clutch clamp / release. Most franchised dealers are reluctant to divulge this sort of diagnostic because it would mean at point of sale a % worn sticker detailing clutch system could be slapped across Windscreen.

The judder is not inherent fault of gearbox, it can't be, if it were that inherent problem would be present on manual / sportshift too as they are identical boxes. Root cause of problem is weak single plate clutch, a flywheel which is not heat treated and 1st / reverse gearing which requires a fair amount of clutch slip to pull away. Upgrade to twin plate is the answer to all problems and gives far superior driver interaction/ enjoyment driving the car.


The_Orange

59 posts

24 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Hi Mike,

I have a quick question:

i have a 2008 4.3 Vantage sportshift.

When accelerating, and passing 4000 rpm, the car sometimes starts to make a whistling sound, in all gears (when passing 4000 rpm). And maybe I'm crazy, but I think it comes from behind the dashboard scratchchin

I bought the car with 20.000 km, and now the car has 25.000 km. And as far as I know, the car has only been doing this for the last 2.000 kilometers.

What could this be? Maybe it's nothing, and maybe it's: 'they all do that, sir', But maybe you have come across something similar?

Thanks in advance !

Edited by The_Orange on Tuesday 7th March 10:41


Edited by The_Orange on Tuesday 7th March 22:20


Edited by The_Orange on Tuesday 7th March 22:20

V8V Pete

1,503 posts

57 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Well it took me a while to take the plunge but today I collected my car from BR having had the full transformation treatment. I work in the NHS where the word "transformation" is abused on a daily basis but what BR do to your Aston is worthy of it. It really does feel like a different car. The work I've had done includes:

Exhaust manifolds, 200 cell cats, X-pipe (and retaining standard V8S back box)






Twin plate clutch and lightened flywheel




Fast road geo, remap and gear linkage modification.

All of the above have been commented on at length in this thread and elsewhere so I won't waffle too much. However, what I will say is that whilst each modification on its own is great, they compliment each other perfectly to produce a truly enhanced driving experience. The increased power, available with such improved throttle response and accompanied by such an enhanced soundtrack is addictive.

Huge thanks to Mike, Adrian and the team for the quality of the work and service provided from a very happy Aston owner.

Ian_UK1

1,484 posts

125 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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V8V Pete said:
Well it took me a while to take the plunge but today I collected my car from BR having had the full transformation treatment. I work in the NHS where the word "transformation" is abused on a daily basis but what BR do to your Aston is worthy of it. It really does feel like a different car. The work I've had done includes:

Exhaust manifolds, 200 cell cats, X-pipe (and retaining standard V8S back box)

Twin plate clutch and lightened flywheel

Fast road geo, remap and gear linkage modification.

All of the above have been commented on at length in this thread and elsewhere so I won't waffle too much. However, what I will say is that whilst each modification on its own is great, they compliment each other perfectly to produce a truly enhanced driving experience. The increased power, available with such improved throttle response and accompanied by such an enhanced soundtrack is addictive.

Huge thanks to Mike, Adrian and the team for the quality of the work and service provided from a very happy Aston owner.
Couldn't agree more! I had the same work (excluding the clutch / flywheel for now) done to my car and the differences are stark. It completely changes how the car drives and responds and the extra urge - especially in the top half of the rev range - isn't subtle!

The noise with the X-pipe is also very different. The usual Aston V8 burble is gone, to be replaced by a spine-tingling howl at high rpm that's more reminiscent of a flat-plane V8. Very addictive (and absolutely deafening) in tunnels. biggrin



Ken Figenus

3,798 posts

48 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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V8V Pete said:
Well it took me a while to take the plunge but today I collected my car from BR having had the full transformation treatment. I work in the NHS where the word "transformation" is abused on a daily basis but what BR do to your Aston is worthy of it. It really does feel like a different car. The work I've had done includes:

All of the above have been commented on at length in this thread and elsewhere so I won't waffle too much. However, what I will say is that whilst each modification on its own is great, they compliment each other perfectly to produce a truly enhanced driving experience. The increased power, available with such improved throttle response and accompanied by such an enhanced soundtrack is addictive.

Huge thanks to Mike, Adrian and the team for the quality of the work and service provided from a very happy Aston owner.
Sounds amazing Pete - not that I've heard it biggrin Come on lets get a proper mic on it and share the love - shocks me people selling exhausts rarely do this (or if they do they stick an iPhone bassless mic on it). [Mike you know where I am if you want to double your salesbiggrin;)

v8maniac

42 posts

49 months

Monday 8th May 2017
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Does Bamford Rose offer exhaust conversions for V12 as well? Cannot find anything on its homepage. Looking to get rid of this cat integrated exhaust manifolds of my DB9 GT.