#Nissan? Never Again! Part II
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Hammer67 said:
my ignored post on another thread said:
Failed as in some sort of breakage or failed as in worn out?
No warranty will pay for worn out clutches. Nothing has failed, it has reached the end of its life.
You ride the clutch repeatedly over 25000 miles in a way that makes it continually slip and/or overheat it will rapidly wear out.
For Nissan to have refused to help, I'm guessing all the clutch components are intact but worn out, £1800 suggests it was severely worn requiring a new flywheel.
If you have paid for this job and don't believe Nissan, request the old parts to be returned, you own them after all, and get them inspected by an expert and go legal.
You’re right you know you are guessing No warranty will pay for worn out clutches. Nothing has failed, it has reached the end of its life.
You ride the clutch repeatedly over 25000 miles in a way that makes it continually slip and/or overheat it will rapidly wear out.
For Nissan to have refused to help, I'm guessing all the clutch components are intact but worn out, £1800 suggests it was severely worn requiring a new flywheel.
If you have paid for this job and don't believe Nissan, request the old parts to be returned, you own them after all, and get them inspected by an expert and go legal.
mccarthm said:
My car has a 3 year warranty. To keep that warranty it needs to be repaired by Nissan. When I get rid of the car - which I will ASAP - I will only be able to sell on the warranty if it is still valid. Silly? Bit harsh.
I'm no expert on this, but this page from a local Derby garage says different and quotes EU law...http://www.aaronsautos.co.uk/block-exemption/
cuprabob said:
Nissan don't honour your warranty and use the "wear and tear exclusion" as an excuse but you give Nissan £1,800 to replace the clutch but didn't want to take it an indie to get done as you thought it would invalidate the warranty.
The irony is strong
Its not strong at all - at least not from the OP's sideThe irony is strong
That's just the sort of situation you get caught in
Youve done what you think right allow the manufacturers dealer to get it back to base where they dismantle it
At what point do they tell you the cost of the job and whether they think its a manufacturing issue or wear and tear
How can you challenge it?
What do you drive about in?
Easiest to pay up, get the car then argue about it afterwards
they know that
I rented a QQ recently, which introduced me to the joys of the electronic handbrake. One of the features of this is that it will automatically release when you let the clutch in, to 'pull' the car off the handbrake so to speak. It seemed to me that using this feature would wear the clutch more than a normal manual pull-away, where I would release the handbrake fully first (unless doing a hill start), because you are building up more load on the drivetrain before it releases.
Does your QQ have an electronic handbrake? Do you 'pull' the car off it as I have described? I just thought this could possibly be a factor in the discrepancy between your 40 years of driving with never a clutch-related problem, and the clutch dying at 25k on this QQ ? Alternatively or additionally, a slight miscalibration of the electronics could be resulting in overloading the clutch in this scenario.
On an separate note - has anyone else had this sort of sudden, catastrophic clutch failure? I wore out the clutch on my RX-7, it slipped a bit mid-overtake at peak torque, but was otherwise fine. Car was totally driveable, took it to the garage and got a new clutch. Same with my S13. Even with cars putting out considerably more torque than stock, I've never had a sudden failure leaving me stranded, just occasional slip that lets me know it's time to book it in for a replacement.
Does your QQ have an electronic handbrake? Do you 'pull' the car off it as I have described? I just thought this could possibly be a factor in the discrepancy between your 40 years of driving with never a clutch-related problem, and the clutch dying at 25k on this QQ ? Alternatively or additionally, a slight miscalibration of the electronics could be resulting in overloading the clutch in this scenario.
On an separate note - has anyone else had this sort of sudden, catastrophic clutch failure? I wore out the clutch on my RX-7, it slipped a bit mid-overtake at peak torque, but was otherwise fine. Car was totally driveable, took it to the garage and got a new clutch. Same with my S13. Even with cars putting out considerably more torque than stock, I've never had a sudden failure leaving me stranded, just occasional slip that lets me know it's time to book it in for a replacement.
mccarthm said:
Platespinner Not when you are stranded in the rain and have to make quick decisions because you are at work and need to complete your journey asap.
Fair enough. I saw on your other thread that you kept the failed component. Have you got an independent engineering report as to the cause of the failure in order to go into battle with Nissan? For £1,800 I'd be giving it a jolly good go.
I have recovered the old components. I have spoken to an independent mechanic who tells me it Is nigh on impossible to prove that it was driver error OR that it was a component fault. But as the burden is on the consumer to prove their case you take a potentially costly risk by pursuing the case. And of course - the manufacturers know this.
mccarthm said:
I have recovered the old components. I have spoken to an independent mechanic who tells me it Is nigh on impossible to prove that it was driver error OR that it was a component fault. But as the burden is on the consumer to prove their case you take a potentially costly risk by pursuing the case. And of course - the manufacturers know this.
What have you got - do they look like theyve failed?you havent really got an engineers report
At least both were changed
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/43783/pr...
At least both were changed
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/43783/pr...
Turbojuice said:
mccarthm said:
I got the clutch and the DMF but I’m no mechanic I’m afraid and as the independent guy says - it’s virtually impossible to establish true cause of failure.
Fortunately for you, you're on pistonheads. Everyone here is a mechanic. Post pics!Agree though OP, can't hurt to post the pics.
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