Looking back at the Lancer Evolution.

[adam.]

mike74 said:

Curious back story to this one, left standing on a driveway for 5 years, checkout the final pic!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolu...

I would LOVE to see an underneath shot of that!

[yellowstreak]

adam. said:

mike74 said:

Curious back story to this one, left standing on a driveway for 5 years, checkout the final pic!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolu...

I would LOVE to see an underneath shot of that!

Would it necessarily be very bad if its just sat still for 5 years?

[adam.]

yellowstreak said:

Would it necessarily be very bad if its just sat still for 5 years?

That's why I'm interested, if it's sat partially on grass/mud for 5 years for example then my guess is it'll be rotten.

[mike74]

It just seems odd that a highly desirable, low mileage, relatively new and relatively valuable car would be left sat for 5 years and allowed to get into that state, based on the info in the advert there was nothing majorly, expensively wrong with it to explain why it would be left to rot for 5 years.

I certainly wouldn't touch it knowing it's background.

[TobyTR]

Always been fascinated by these great cars and I'd do nasty things for an Evo VI TME - was there any performance advantage of these over a standard Evo VI?

What makes these cars more of an analogue experience over, say, an R34 GT-R and the R35? Some PHers moaned those cars 'did everything for you' and like a 'Playstation' but i've never understood it.

I previously owned a bugeye version 7 '02 STI Prodrive, but I should've bought a VI at the time, hey-ho

Lovely examples on this thread, keep them coming

[adam.]

TobyTR said:

Always been fascinated by these great cars and I'd do nasty things for an Evo VI TME - was there any performance advantage of these over a standard Evo VI?

Not much, tbh. But then I'm a GSR VI owner and would say that. The rack was a bit quicker, the turbo was different, and it looks a bit softer. But, if you're buying an Evo to actually use, buy a GSR in my opinion.

TobyTR said:

What makes these cars more of an analogue experience over, say, an R34 GT-R and the R35? Some PHers moaned those cars 'did everything for you' and like a 'Playstation' but i've never understood it.

For the late-90's the VI is still a very analog car. No stability control, or traction control, or much in the way of computers anywhere. Just ABS, and the sometimes misundersood AYC. The 6 has AYC but with no control over centre differential, unlike the later 7/8/9 cars. The VI demands respect, but it can and will let you be a hooligan if you so desire. You can grab it by the scruff of the neck, but if you dial the aggression back a touch, you are rewarded with astounding pace. The kind of pace that not a lot of modern machinery can match.

TobyTR said:

I previously owned a bugeye version 7 '02 STI Prodrive, but I should've bought a VI at the time, hey-ho

Lovely examples on this thread, keep them coming

Just two weeks ago I had mine out at a very sodden Bedford Autodrome, and nothing could get close. It was a day spent on opposite lock, performing comical all-wheel drifts.

Edited by adam. on Friday 21st June 22:51

[Captain Obvious]

I took my 9MR out on a wet track the other day, the +50m lift off oversteer slides you can induce are so much fun and so easily controllable with throttle.
I do have some unwanted mid corner front end push as you come on power it neutralises to all wheel grip and go as it comes on boost, ideally I'd like to get it set up so I can induce power oversteer out of tight corners.

I'm on fully adjustable coilovers and the front and rear are set up equally hard in preload and rebound so I reckon If I take the preload off the rear to soften it up a bit that should help.

[don logan]

For 20 years I’ve had an infuriating feeling that people think I’m biased or “bigging them up” just because I have one but they ARE EXTRAORDINARY, if you enjoy the extra 10% they offer over almost anything else, that’s when you see what a well sorted EVO offers

Aside from brake and power upgrades I think the upgrades I’ve done that I have enjoyed the most have been an RS gearbox and polybushing everything, this is on a 6 RSX, it’s the car I will do anything not to sell

[adam.]

Captain Obvious said:

I took my 9MR out on a wet track the other day, the +50m lift off oversteer slides you can induce are so much fun and so easily controllable with throttle.
I do have some unwanted mid corner front end push as you come on power it neutralises to all wheel grip and go as it comes on boost, ideally I'd like to get it set up so I can induce power oversteer out of tight corners.

I'm on fully adjustable coilovers and the front and rear are set up equally hard in preload and rebound so I reckon If I take the preload off the rear to soften it up a bit that should help.

That's interesting, I spent the whole day power sliding out of slow speed corners. Nearly always induced with the throttle, and barely any are a result of lift-off. But, my 6 has a fixed non-variable centre diff AFAIK. Try snow mode?

[Captain Obvious]

adam. said:

Captain Obvious said:

I took my 9MR out on a wet track the other day, the +50m lift off oversteer slides you can induce are so much fun and so easily controllable with throttle.
I do have some unwanted mid corner front end push as you come on power it neutralises to all wheel grip and go as it comes on boost, ideally I'd like to get it set up so I can induce power oversteer out of tight corners.

I'm on fully adjustable coilovers and the front and rear are set up equally hard in preload and rebound so I reckon If I take the preload off the rear to soften it up a bit that should help.

That's interesting, I spent the whole day power sliding out of slow speed corners. Nearly always induced with the throttle, and barely any are a result of lift-off. But, my 6 has a fixed non-variable centre diff AFAIK. Try snow mode?

I spent the day in Gravel & Tarmac, mine used to powerslide with the old tires (some dunlop eco tire) however with the Michelin PS4's on, it wont do it.

Like I say though, because it is so neutral, you can induce massive lift off oversteer slides and power out straight with very little effort.

I'll have a tinker with the suspension before the next wet trackday, (I don't bother with doing them in the dry any more).

[adam.]

Captain Obvious said:

I spent the day in Gravel & Tarmac, mine used to powerslide with the old tires (some dunlop eco tire) however with the Michelin PS4's on, it wont do it.

Like I say though, because it is so neutral, you can induce massive lift off oversteer slides and power out straight with very little effort.

I'll have a tinker with the suspension before the next wet trackday, (I don't bother with doing them in the dry any more).

I run a bit of rake, which helps. I was on 888R too. Yes the wet trackday was the most fun I've had in a long time on track, in the UK.

[don logan]

Captain Obvious said:

I took my 9MR out on a wet track the other day, the +50m lift off oversteer slides you can induce are so much fun and so easily controllable with throttle.
I do have some unwanted mid corner front end push as you come on power it neutralises to all wheel grip and go as it comes on boost, ideally I'd like to get it set up so I can induce power oversteer out of tight corners.

I'm on fully adjustable coilovers and the front and rear are set up equally hard in preload and rebound so I reckon If I take the preload off the rear to soften it up a bit that should help.

Maybe think about getting rid of the AYC?

I had it on my 6 GSR, and I've driven lots of other cars with it and I wouldn't want it again.

[Captain Obvious]

don logan said:

Maybe think about getting rid of the AYC?

I had it on my 6 GSR, and I've driven lots of other cars with it and I wouldn't want it again.

I'm quite sure that with some tweaking to the suspension it can be made to handle a little more tail happy on throttle, besides, removing the S-AYC is not really an option for my car, it's too clean and I don't want to start messing with it mechanically.

What I should have done is hold out for a really nice V RS or a black TME. Oh well, I've only just finished this one and due to the import laws in New Zealand I can't sell this one for another 2 years.

[Evolved]

Captain Obvious said:

don logan said:

Maybe think about getting rid of the AYC?

I had it on my 6 GSR, and I've driven lots of other cars with it and I wouldn't want it again.

I'm quite sure that with some tweaking to the suspension it can be made to handle a little more tail happy on throttle, besides, removing the S-AYC is not really an option for my car, it's too clean and I don't want to start messing with it mechanically.

What I should have done is hold out for a really nice V RS or a black TME. Oh well, I've only just finished this one and due to the import laws in New Zealand I can't sell this one for another 2 years.

Trust me, an RS is a crap road car, and unless you’re modding it, a crap car all together. Over hyped!

A IX GT offers s good compromise but obviously the later shape.

AYC is great, sure an RS diff allows more slip, but the AYC is fun too.

Tweak the geo, maybe add more toe. Adding rake like Adam said may help.

[Captain Obvious]

Evolved said:

Trust me, an RS is a crap road car, and unless you’re modding it, a crap car all together. Over hyped!

A IX GT offers s good compromise but obviously the later shape.

AYC is great, sure an RS diff allows more slip, but the AYC is fun too.

Tweak the geo, maybe add more toe. Adding rake like Adam said may help.

Thanks for the info.

[Gary C]

don logan said:

Captain Obvious said:

I took my 9MR out on a wet track the other day, the +50m lift off oversteer slides you can induce are so much fun and so easily controllable with throttle.
I do have some unwanted mid corner front end push as you come on power it neutralises to all wheel grip and go as it comes on boost, ideally I'd like to get it set up so I can induce power oversteer out of tight corners.

I'm on fully adjustable coilovers and the front and rear are set up equally hard in preload and rebound so I reckon If I take the preload off the rear to soften it up a bit that should help.

Maybe think about getting rid of the AYC?

I had it on my 6 GSR, and I've driven lots of other cars with it and I wouldn't want it again.

AYC on my V was great. Very tail led slides in slower corners, transitioning to neutral at higher speeds. Four wheel drifting onto a damp dual carridgeway at 80 was a particular memory. It allowed a very sharp chassis setup without the terminal spin that you might expect without it. My car was owned by a rally driver who also competed in V's and said it had the motorsport AYC chip, which is probably why I needed a new diff

It does feel funny at first. The car yaw's at such a rate, you expect to have unwind a bit of lock to control the rear, but just as you begin, the AYC has already sorted it and gets a bit miffed that now you want to turn the other way and you can drift off your chosen line a bit. Once you begin to trust the stability of it, it becomes a solidly stable car, that doesnt feel computer controlled, just stable and predictable with a savage turn in.

V & VI were amazing cars, found the VII & VIII a bit underwhelming, slightly sanitised versions (not in power, just in character)

Edited by Gary C on Thursday 27th June 20:41

[captain_tripping]

I had a cheap IV a few years ago, it was my first performance car. Being cheap it was rusty, had budget tyres when I bought it, AYC buggered and sticky rear brakes. It span easier than my welded diff S13. It scared the st out of me so I sold it after a couple of months... Would love to drive a decent one.

[Evolved]

captain_tripping said:

I had a cheap IV a few years ago, it was my first performance car. Being cheap it was rusty, had budget tyres when I bought it, AYC buggered and sticky rear brakes. It span easier than my welded diff S13. It scared the st out of me so I sold it after a couple of months... Would love to drive a decent one.

that sounded absolutely nailed. What a crap intro into one of the 90’s best handling cars.

[don logan]

Evolved said:

Captain Obvious said:

don logan said:

Maybe think about getting rid of the AYC?

I had it on my 6 GSR, and I've driven lots of other cars with it and I wouldn't want it again.

I'm quite sure that with some tweaking to the suspension it can be made to handle a little more tail happy on throttle, besides, removing the S-AYC is not really an option for my car, it's too clean and I don't want to start messing with it mechanically.

What I should have done is hold out for a really nice V RS or a black TME. Oh well, I've only just finished this one and due to the import laws in New Zealand I can't sell this one for another 2 years.

Trust me, an RS is a crap road car, and unless you’re modding it, a crap car all together. Over hyped!

A IX GT offers s good compromise but obviously the later shape.

AYC is great, sure an RS diff allows more slip, but the AYC is fun too.

Tweak the geo, maybe add more toe. Adding rake like Adam said may help.

If by an RS you mean gravel brakes, steel wheels and the most basic seats in the world then yes, but with some basic mods they make IMHO the best fast road EVOs, as a daily car no but as a weekend car YES!!!

Some RSs even had A/C and central locking

[Captain Obvious]

don logan said:

If by an RS you mean gravel brakes, steel wheels and the most basic seats in the world then yes, but with some basic mods they make IMHO the best fast road EVOs, as a daily car no but as a weekend car YES!!!

Some RSs even had A/C and central locking

..and the big brembos with normal wheels were an option too