Mitsubishi Evos. Worth the money?

Mitsubishi Evos. Worth the money?

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don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Monday 15th February
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liner33 said:
I have a mate who daily drives a 94 Skyline , its his only car and he even visits his mum in France every now and then he has put about 45k on it in the last 3.5 years

Biggest issue he has had is accident damage from people knocking it in his work car park

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than drive an Evo to France
I’ve driven my 6 to the South of France twice without overnight stays and once.... wait for it.... snowboarding, can you imagine what the salt did??? Back in 2002 we didn’t really know what was going to happen to them!

The fixed Recaro SPG seats made scratching anywhere “folded” inpossible

Apart from the ridiculous range EVOs have ridiculous fuel gauges, so even when you haven’t used 3/4s it might say you have, and shaking the steering at 90 mph to get a better reading in an EVO is a bit much

Both my EVOs now have RS gearboxes now, I LOVE them, but they won’t be being driven for 13hrs a day on Mways anymore


Olivera

4,406 posts

203 months

Monday 15th February
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don logan said:
Both my EVOs now have RS gearboxes now, I LOVE them, but they won’t be being driven for 13hrs a day on Mways anymore
Out of interest, what's the gearing like on the RS boxes? Are they 5 or 6 speed? What's rpm like at 70mph on motorway? Thanks!

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Monday 15th February
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I drove my STi5 Type RA to the Catalunya Rally in one hit, drove every stage, spectated for the event, then drove back in one hit. Too many wooses in here. winkbiggrin


don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Monday 15th February
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Olivera said:
Out of interest, what's the gearing like on the RS boxes? Are they 5 or 6 speed? What's rpm like at 70mph on motorway? Thanks!
I couldn’t give you actual ratios off the top of my head but 5 speed and I think 85 is 4.5k

don logan

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186 months

Monday 15th February
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jsf said:
I drove my STi5 Type RA to the Catalunya Rally in one hit, drove every stage, spectated for the event, then drove back in one hit. Too many wooses in here. winkbiggrin
Quite right, did you get up half an hour before you went to bed too? :-)

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Monday 15th February
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don logan said:
Quite right, did you get up half an hour before you went to bed too? :-)
Bed, what's that?

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Monday 15th February
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jsf said:
Bed, what's that?
God, I’m showing myself up!

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Monday 15th February
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jsf said:
I drove my STi5 Type RA to the Catalunya Rally in one hit, drove every stage, spectated for the event, then drove back in one hit. Too many wooses in here. winkbiggrin
In all seriousness, apart from the fact that it I just wouldn’t want to use mine every day for other reasons, it’s no big deal to use one daily from a comfort / equipmemt point of view, I drove a VW Beetle every day, a 1975 Beetle, not a 2005, they didn’t even have windscreen demister fans and a clock was an unusual optional extra but millions of people used them just fine!



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Edited by don logan on Monday 15th February 23:40

lambeth

44 posts

154 months

Tuesday 16th February
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Going back to the original question of 'worth the money' then I would say yes. These days there are new hatches/saloons that could keep up with a standard evo and are much easier to drive and far more comfortable. However they would never match the driving experience or thrill of an evo. To me the whole point of the evo is waking up early on a Sunday and going out for a spirited drive in the countryside in something 'special' that looks and sounds like nothing that can be bought new today. My Evo 6 doesn't have ABS,Yaw control etc. but because of this delivers even more excitement than any newer performance car that I have driven. Less is More. Even if ithey are quite expensive these days.

Olivera

4,406 posts

203 months

Tuesday 16th February
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don logan said:
Olivera said:
Out of interest, what's the gearing like on the RS boxes? Are they 5 or 6 speed? What's rpm like at 70mph on motorway? Thanks!
I couldn’t give you actual ratios off the top of my head but 5 speed and I think 85 is 4.5k
I have a 6 speed rally dog-box in my Escort Cosworth with quite short gearing, but that is even shorter!

Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Tuesday 16th February
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lambeth said:
Going back to the original question of 'worth the money' then I would say yes. These days there are new hatches/saloons that could keep up with a standard evo and are much easier to drive and far more comfortable. However they would never match the driving experience or thrill of an evo. To me the whole point of the evo is waking up early on a Sunday and going out for a spirited drive in the countryside in something 'special' that looks and sounds like nothing that can be bought new today. My Evo 6 doesn't have ABS,Yaw control etc. but because of this delivers even more excitement than any newer performance car that I have driven. Less is More. Even if ithey are quite expensive these days.
I'm glad you think they're worth it smile I mean,it seems as though you do need to sacrifice a lot if you own an Evo but as long as it's worth it that's all that matters. The evo 6 is the best looking evo in my opinion, just look so purposeful. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Do you also only drive it when the weather is bang on? Thanks smile

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Tuesday 16th February
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Olivera said:
don logan said:
Olivera said:
Out of interest, what's the gearing like on the RS boxes? Are they 5 or 6 speed? What's rpm like at 70mph on motorway? Thanks!
I couldn’t give you actual ratios off the top of my head but 5 speed and I think 85 is 4.5k
I have a 6 speed rally dog-box in my Escort Cosworth with quite short gearing, but that is even shorter!
An early Impreza Type RA is doing 4781rpm at 85MPH in top (5th).
The last GC8 Impreza Type RA is doing 4352rpm at 85MPH in top (5th).
The GDB JDM/Spec C Impreza is doing 3705rpm in top (6th), in 5th it is doing 4672rpm at 85MPH.
The GDB UK STi is doing 3375rpm in top (6th), in 5th it is doing 4333rpm at 85MPH.

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Tuesday 16th February
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Dylanaledhall said:
lambeth said:
Going back to the original question of 'worth the money' then I would say yes. These days there are new hatches/saloons that could keep up with a standard evo and are much easier to drive and far more comfortable. However they would never match the driving experience or thrill of an evo. To me the whole point of the evo is waking up early on a Sunday and going out for a spirited drive in the countryside in something 'special' that looks and sounds like nothing that can be bought new today. My Evo 6 doesn't have ABS,Yaw control etc. but because of this delivers even more excitement than any newer performance car that I have driven. Less is More. Even if ithey are quite expensive these days.
I'm glad you think they're worth it smile I mean,it seems as though you do need to sacrifice a lot if you own an Evo but as long as it's worth it that's all that matters. The evo 6 is the best looking evo in my opinion, just look so purposeful. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Do you also only drive it when the weather is bang on? Thanks smile
I’m 100% with Lambeth and I have the same non ABS / non AYC set up.

Without meaning to be rude, and I don’t mean to be confrontational but.......

I was really irritated by your original question, - are they worth the money?

Yes the best ones are a lot more than the rotten rubbish but read what the owners of MUCH more expensive cars who also own EVOs say about them and then you’ll realise that they are CHEAP to buy, not especially cheap to run if you use them hard a lot!

My last Integrale is probably worth £50k now and I sold it for £4.5k in 2000

My CSL with the 12k miles that had on it would probably be worth £75k now, Golfs that will forgotten in 20 years can cost £45k and you are questioning £20-£25k EVOs that were built for a purpose!

To me the other cars you have mentioned aren’t worth the money, I’d rather have my £3k Clio 182 Cup than them.

“Worth” is completely different to different people, honestly I don’t think an EVO is for you, they are like a Japanese shopping car up to 4/10ths, very good 4/10ths > 7/10ths but mindbending from 7/10s onwards, 7/10ths onwards is very serious in even a standard evo, it’s not like the 500bhp FWD cars you mentioned, they’re not about that!

Go and drive a GOOD one yourself, the only thing is, you are probably only going to experience the shopping car on a test drive.





don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Tuesday 16th February
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jsf said:
An early Impreza Type RA is doing 4781rpm at 85MPH in top (5th).
The last GC8 Impreza Type RA is doing 4352rpm at 85MPH in top (5th).
The GDB JDM/Spec C Impreza is doing 3705rpm in top (6th), in 5th it is doing 4672rpm at 85MPH.
The GDB UK STi is doing 3375rpm in top (6th), in 5th it is doing 4333rpm at 85MPH.
That’s a bit vague for my liking! :-)

Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
I’m 100% with Lambeth and I have the same non ABS / non AYC set up.

Without meaning to be rude, and I don’t mean to be confrontational but.......

I was really irritated by your original question, - are they worth the money?

Yes the best ones are a lot more than the rotten rubbish but read what the owners of MUCH more expensive cars who also own EVOs say about them and then you’ll realise that they are CHEAP to buy, not especially cheap to run if you use them hard a lot!

My last Integrale is probably worth £50k now and I sold it for £4.5k in 2000

My CSL with the 12k miles that had on it would probably be worth £75k now, Golfs that will forgotten in 20 years can cost £45k and you are questioning £20-£25k EVOs that were built for a purpose!

To me the other cars you have mentioned aren’t worth the money, I’d rather have my £3k Clio 182 Cup than them.

“Worth” is completely different to different people, honestly I don’t think an EVO is for you, they are like a Japanese shopping car up to 4/10ths, very good 4/10ths > 7/10ths but mindbending from 7/10s onwards, 7/10ths onwards is very serious in even a standard evo, it’s not like the 500bhp FWD cars you mentioned, they’re not about that!

Go and drive a GOOD one yourself, the only thing is, you are probably only going to experience the shopping car on a test drive.
I'm really sorry I irritated you, it's just I don't know anyone on a personal level that's owned an Evo so I just wanted to see if others think they're ok value for money or not.
I understand you may be annoyed with the question but some Evos that were built before I was even born are still demanding a decent pricetag. I don't want to offend anyone here but I think a lot of Jap cars are increasing in price dramatically when the cars may not be completely worth the money. I'm not saying the cars are bad in anyway shape or form, and as you've said they are built for purpose. It just gets questionable when some older Japanese performance cars are demanding more money than a used R35 GTR (IMHO).

With the "worth the money" part, of course a majority will say; "yes, of course, are you stupid?!" . However, 20k+ for a car that will remain tucked away for most of the year is a lot of money for someone like me. Again, I know the cars are absolutely amazing but as I've said, you do need to sacrifice a lot to own one hence the "worth it" part. I also questioned the price of them since for 20k you can get a decently fast car ( like a Golf R, M140i etc) that you can use everyday and would be a lot more economical and cheaper to run. But as we all are well aware, they will not offer the feeling or thrill of driving an Evo.


But absolutely, I'd love to drive one someday but as you've said, I probably won't get anywhere near the Evo's capabilities on just a test drive.

I only started this thread so people that own Evos or have owned Evos could let me know if I should buy one ( not so much as an investment) or if I should avoid unless I have a garage to keep it away from the elements and only take it to car shows and out in the summer.

I mean, having read other threads and owners/pervious owner's statements on here it seems they are worth the money. There was one for sale near me a couple of weeks ago it was an Evo 7 with an Evo 8 front end and was running 620bhp I believe and had been tuned and built but MAD Developments. That was advertised for 23k, based on that alone, I don't think there's anything that could come close ( thrill or power wise) at that price point smile

Edited by Dylanaledhall on Wednesday 17th February 09:30

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Dylanaledhall said:
I'm really sorry I irritated you, it's just I don't know anyone on a personal level that's owned an Evo so I just wanted to see if others think they're ok value for money or not.
I understand you may be annoyed with the question but some Evos that were built before I was even born are still demanding a decent pricetag. I don't want to offend anyone here but I think a lot of Jap cars are increasing in price dramatically when the cars may not be completely worth the money. I'm not saying the cars are bad in anyway shape or form, and as you've said they are built for purpose. It just gets questionable when some older Japanese performance cars are demanding more money than a used R35 GTR (IMHO).

With the "worth the money" part, of course a majority will say; "yes, of course, are you stupid?!" . However, 20k+ for a car that will remain tucked away for most of the year is a lot of money for someone like me. Again, I know the cars are absolutely amazing but as I've said, you do need to sacrifice a lot to own one hence the "worth it" part. I also questioned the price of them since for 20k you can get a decently fast car ( like a Golf R, M140i etc) that you can use everyday and would be a lot more economical and cheaper to run. But as we all are well aware, they will not offer the feeling or thrill of driving an Evo.


But absolutely, I'd love to drive one someday but as you've said, I probably won't get anywhere near the Evo's capabilities on just a test drive.

I only started this thread so people that own Evos or have owned Evos could let me know if I should buy one ( not so much as an investment) or if I should avoid unless I have a garage to keep it away from the elements and only take it to car shows and out in the summer.

I mean, having read other threads and owners/pervious owner's statements on here it seems they are worth the money. There was one for sale near me a couple of weeks ago it was an Evo 7 with an Evo 8 front end and was running 620bhp I believe and had been tuned and built but MAD Developments. That was advertised for 23k, based on that alone, I don't think there's anything that could come close ( thrill or power wise) at that price point smile

Edited by Dylanaledhall on Wednesday 17th February 09:30
Hi

You don’t need to apologise, I’m just a bloke on the internet!

£20k IS a lot of money to have just sitting in a garage, I do understand and I get that you want opinions from owners / ex owners, before I bought my first 6 I did 3 250 mile round trips to see / drive one, I wasn’t comtent with reading the review in EVO magazine, I even called them to talk to them about the car amd ask questions, so I get it!

The “worth the money” question is just so hard, think about all the cars with all the different abilities and things they have to offer, cars are worth the money for different reasons to different people, I see people with brand new bottom of the range C Class Mercs with every possible extra, to me that’s absolutely MENTAL but to them it was worth the money!

If you are going to pursue the EVO thing I think you should bear something in mind, don’t get distracted by modified cars and bhp, bhp doesn’t tell you the whole story, I’ve driven 500 bhp + cars, they don’t all drive well at all, big turbos don’t really suit real world / B road driving, so as measely as 280bhp sounds after seeing modified cars for sale, you should go for as standard as possible (however that also puts the price up)


Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
Hi

You don’t need to apologise, I’m just a bloke on the internet!

£20k IS a lot of money to have just sitting in a garage, I do understand and I get that you want opinions from owners / ex owners, before I bought my first 6 I did 3 250 mile round trips to see / drive one, I wasn’t comtent with reading the review in EVO magazine, I even called them to talk to them about the car amd ask questions, so I get it!

The “worth the money” question is just so hard, think about all the cars with all the different abilities and things they have to offer, cars are worth the money for different reasons to different people, I see people with brand new bottom of the range C Class Mercs with every possible extra, to me that’s absolutely MENTAL but to them it was worth the money!

If you are going to pursue the EVO thing I think you should bear something in mind, don’t get distracted by modified cars and bhp, bhp doesn’t tell you the whole story, I’ve driven 500 bhp + cars, they don’t all drive well at all, big turbos don’t really suit real world / B road driving, so as measely as 280bhp sounds after seeing modified cars for sale, you should go for as standard as possible (however that also puts the price up)
Thank you smile will definitely keep that in mind

wolfie28

280 posts

108 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
Hi

You don’t need to apologise, I’m just a bloke on the internet!

£20k IS a lot of money to have just sitting in a garage, I do understand and I get that you want opinions from owners / ex owners, before I bought my first 6 I did 3 250 mile round trips to see / drive one, I wasn’t comtent with reading the review in EVO magazine, I even called them to talk to them about the car amd ask questions, so I get it!

The “worth the money” question is just so hard, think about all the cars with all the different abilities and things they have to offer, cars are worth the money for different reasons to different people, I see people with brand new bottom of the range C Class Mercs with every possible extra, to me that’s absolutely MENTAL but to them it was worth the money!

If you are going to pursue the EVO thing I think you should bear something in mind, don’t get distracted by modified cars and bhp, bhp doesn’t tell you the whole story, I’ve driven 500 bhp + cars, they don’t all drive well at all, big turbos don’t really suit real world / B road driving, so as measely as 280bhp sounds after seeing modified cars for sale, you should go for as standard as possible (however that also puts the price up)
Everyone one has their own opinion but I disagree with the comment “big bhp cars don’t drive well”. Mine has over 500 horses and is a great drive (apart from motorway cruising). I’m not just saying that because I own it, I’m honest in saying that. If a car has big power but supporting mods are poor or simply not there then yes it will not drive well. A well set up high power car with the correct supporting modifications will be a great drive as the mods complement each other. Bit like lamb and mint sauce or jelly and ice cream biggrin. I also have a standard Impreza with a supposedly 316 bhp and in all honesty that is quite dull after the Evo. Like I say just my opinion.

Bang on reply from Lambeth.


Edited by wolfie28 on Wednesday 17th February 12:22

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Wednesday 17th February
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wolfie28 said:
Everyone one has their own opinion but I disagree with the comment “big bhp cars don’t drive well”. Mine has over 500 horses and is a great drive (apart from motorway cruising). I’m not just saying that because I own it, I’m honest in saying that. If a car has big power but supporting mods are poor or simply not there then yes it will not drive well. A well set up high power car with the correct supporting modifications will be a great drive as the mods complement each other. Bit like lamb and mint sauce or jelly and ice cream biggrin. I also have a standard Impreza with a supposedly 316 bhp and in all honesty that is quite dull after the Evo. Like I say just my opinion.
Hi

I’m honestly not being an arse but that’s why I said they don’t “all” drive well, because I agree with you, some do but I’ve driven lots of horribly laggy cars that also have irritatingly lumpy cams!

As you know, getting big power from EVOs isn’t like taking an M5 for a remap, different tuners / owners take different approaches, not all 400/500/600 + cars drive the same or have the same standard of workmanship, they could be put together well but mapped badly or vice versa, I’d rather not but anything beyond very mildly modified.


liner33

8,261 posts

166 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
The “worth the money” question is just so hard,
I'm not sure it is , to me no Evo , R34 GTR or Supra is worth £60k+ and the latter two are considerably better made than the Mitsubishi, I guess than since some people are will to spend that means that there is a market out there for £60k Evos but its because of the chance of a better return as a investment rather than how they drive