Mitsubishi Evos. Worth the money?

Mitsubishi Evos. Worth the money?

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don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Wednesday 17th February
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liner33 said:
I'm not sure it is , to me no Evo , R34 GTR or Supra is worth £60k+ and the latter two are considerably better made than the Mitsubishi, I guess than since some people are will to spend that means that there is a market out there for £60k Evos but its because of the chance of a better return as a investment rather than how they drive
I don’t know if you can work it out like that though, you are missing out the “horn”, and that is what drives a lot of people!

Is an Integrale built better than an EVO? NO, definitely not but look at the prices!

Is a Clio Williams worth £14k more than my 182 Cup? How can it be? But it got my attention and got me thinking!

“Worth” is our own madness unless you are a dealer!

liner33

8,250 posts

166 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
I don’t know if you can work it out like that though, you are missing out the “horn”, and that is what drives a lot of people!

Is an Integrale built better than an EVO? NO, definitely not but look at the prices!

Is a Clio Williams worth £14k more than my 182 Cup? How can it be? But it got my attention and got me thinking!

“Worth” is our own madness unless you are a dealer!
Yeah but people aren't buying these cars to drive them anymore than they are buying DB5's to drive them

Stuff like this is just ridiculous. Its the emperors new clothes.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101127...

Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Wednesday 17th February
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liner33 said:
Yeah but people aren't buying these cars to drive them anymore than they are buying DB5's to drive them

Stuff like this is just ridiculous. Its the emperors new clothes.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101127...
I agree that 150k for an R34 GTR is mental. Imho you can get way better cars for that money. I'm sure you can get stuff like a Huracan Performante, 488 GTB and McLaren 600 LT just to name a few. Furthermore, I bet most car enthusiast could come up with an amazing 2-3 car garage with 150k. Me for example if probably go for something along the lines of a brand new RS6 and then go for a used R35 GTR with the remaining 40-50k.
Again, I'm not saying the R34 GTR is a "bad car" I just find it astonishing that people will say no to the cars I've listed and go for the R34 instead. They surely won't increase further in price will they?

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Wednesday 17th February
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liner33 said:
Yeah but people aren't buying these cars to drive them anymore than they are buying DB5's to drive them

Stuff like this is just ridiculous. Its the emperors new clothes.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101127...
They are worth what people are prepared to pay. Same as anything else.

Compared to art or high end classics they are dirt cheap.

Cars like these are going up in value because the people who lusted after them when younger now have money. A limited commodity with demand means they are worth more is not rocket science.

Imprezas are shooting up in value just as cossies did because so many have been scrapped.

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Dylanaledhall said:
I agree that 150k for an R34 GTR is mental. Imho you can get way better cars for that money. I'm sure you can get stuff like a Huracan Performante, 488 GTB and McLaren 600 LT just to name a few. Furthermore, I bet most car enthusiast could come up with an amazing 2-3 car garage with 150k. Me for example if probably go for something along the lines of a brand new RS6 and then go for a used R35 GTR with the remaining 40-50k.
Again, I'm not saying the R34 GTR is a "bad car" I just find it astonishing that people will say no to the cars I've listed and go for the R34 instead. They surely won't increase further in price will they?
The modern cars you listed are likely to depreciate, they certainly will in the short term.

Just like classic cars of the past, ownership experience of the car is about more than the nuts and bolts, it's also a social experience.

Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Wednesday 17th February
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jsf said:
The modern cars you listed are likely to depreciate, they certainly will in the short term.

Just like classic cars of the past, ownership experience of the car is about more than the nuts and bolts, it's also a social experience.
Yes they'll depreciate but they're definitely better cars imo.

Anyone buying the R34 GTR ( at that price ) will only be buying it as an investment and will be terrified to drive it. I may be different to other people but if I'm buying a car I want to be able to enjoy it and drive it.

jsf

22,315 posts

200 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Dylanaledhall said:
Yes they'll depreciate but they're definitely better cars imo.

Anyone buying the R34 GTR ( at that price ) will only be buying it as an investment and will be terrified to drive it. I may be different to other people but if I'm buying a car I want to be able to enjoy it and drive it.
Since when did technically better cars than the modern equivalent mean anything for owning a classic?

The driving experience in a lot of very capable modern cars is garbage with the way they insulate you from the outside world.

Terrified to drive it will be the minority, use it less than the daily hack, of course.

Olivera

4,403 posts

203 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Objective driving credentials is of absolutely no relevance to the price of classics. In fact in many cases as the prices go up (to hundreds of thousands or millions) the objective driving credentials go down biggrin

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Oh Jeez!

“BETTER”............

1. That’s not always straight forward

2. Better doesn’t always matter!

Sometimes people ask me why I don’t just get one “better” car.... FFS!!!!

oxnop

68 posts

105 months

Wednesday 17th February
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don logan said:
Oh Jeez!

“BETTER”............

1. That’s not always straight forward

2. Better doesn’t always matter!

Sometimes people ask me why I don’t just get one “better” car.... FFS!!!!
But what do we think a standard / mint Evo 6 will be worth in the next few years? Have they hit their peak....

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Wednesday 17th February
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oxnop said:
But what do we think a standard / mint Evo 6 will be worth in the next few years? Have they hit their peak....
It will be interesting to see what happens when they hit 25 years old and are eligible for export to America, they only got EVO 8 upwards and the iconic cars are below EVO 8, not sure how many great LHD cars there are to compete with the best of our and the Japenese cars.

I don’t think they’ve peaked, I’ve thought that about LOADS of cars and been way off!

I do think they are undervalued in general, the Pajero EVOs are also undervalued IMHO, what else is there like them and with their race victories? Nothing!

Edited by don logan on Wednesday 17th February 22:10

oxnop

68 posts

105 months

Thursday 18th February
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don logan said:
oxnop said:
But what do we think a standard / mint Evo 6 will be worth in the next few years? Have they hit their peak....
It will be interesting to see what happens when they hit 25 years old and are eligible for export to America, they only got EVO 8 upwards and the iconic cars are below EVO 8, not sure how many great LHD cars there are to compete with the best of our and the Japenese cars.

I don’t think they’ve peaked, I’ve thought that about LOADS of cars and been way off!

I do think they are undervalued in general, the Pajero EVOs are also undervalued IMHO, what else is there like them and with their race victories? Nothing!

Edited by don logan on Wednesday 17th February 22:10
The 25year import factor is a ‘thing’ so will be interesting to see. I think the standard / subtle modded cars will do best out of that.

Re the Pajero - I look at the classifieds every now and then to see what they are at. I’ve been tempted but sourcing parts seems like a difficult task, I went down a rabbit hole one evening translating Russian forums where members were making their own Pajero Evo parts.....That puts me off a bit!

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Thursday 18th February
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oxnop said:
The 25year import factor is a ‘thing’ so will be interesting to see. I think the standard / subtle modded cars will do best out of that.

Re the Pajero - I look at the classifieds every now and then to see what they are at. I’ve been tempted but sourcing parts seems like a difficult task, I went down a rabbit hole one evening translating Russian forums where members were making their own Pajero Evo parts.....That puts me off a bit!
My Mum had a Pajero EVO 20 yesrs ago and we ran into problems with a part back then, I think it was a stub axle or some steeting part!

Sometimes specialists start manufacturing their own parts to get around shortages but 2,500 cars wordwide, 22 yesrs ago (and plenty of Dakar cars ending up in the bin) isn’t going to create much demand!

I think I’ve seen 2 on the road in the lsst 10 years, 1 red, 1 white.

Just remembered, I think we had a gearbox under warranty!




Edited by don logan on Thursday 18th February 11:33

Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Saturday 20th February
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Does anyone on here have any experience with an Evo X ( manual or SST)? Just wanted to know if I should ignore them or if they are still worth a punt. Thanks guys smile

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Saturday 20th February
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Dylanaledhall said:
Does anyone on here have any experience with an Evo X ( manual or SST)? Just wanted to know if I should ignore them or if they are still worth a punt. Thanks guys smile
I haven’t owned either but I’ve driven a few of both, I wasn’t interested in either at all, particularly not the SST, maybe if the IV > IX cars didn’t exist I might have been more excited / impressed!

I think I know what you are thinking, people do it all the time, but sometimes it works out more expensive because sometimes you eventualy end up buying the thing you actually wanted!


Dylanaledhall

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299 posts

29 months

Sunday 21st February
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don logan said:
I haven’t owned either but I’ve driven a few of both, I wasn’t interested in either at all, particularly not the SST, maybe if the IV > IX cars didn’t exist I might have been more excited / impressed!

I think I know what you are thinking, people do it all the time, but sometimes it works out more expensive because sometimes you eventualy end up buying the thing you actually wanted!
Thank you, do you think you weren't impressed because of the engine ( obviously the lack of the 4g63) or gearbox or just the overall package?

I know Evos aren't light cars but the X looks quite a bit heavier so maybe that could contribute to not feeling like previous evos.

Thanks

Edited by Dylanaledhall on Sunday 21st February 10:20

Elatino1

1,118 posts

25 months

Sunday 21st February
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The X was always known to be more grown up, less raw and less fun as a result. The auto gearbox gets bad reviews too. The Subaru of the time was a better car in just about every way.

don logan

2,617 posts

186 months

Sunday 21st February
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Dylanaledhall said:
Thank you, do you think you weren't impressed because of the engine ( obviously the lack of the 4g63) or gearbox or just the overall package?

I know Evos aren't light cars but the X looks quite a bit heavier so maybe that could contribute to not feeling like previous evos.

Thanks

Edited by Dylanaledhall on Sunday 21st February 10:20
No, it wasn’t the engine, it’s not ss if the 4G63 has loads of character BTW, it’s hardly a BMW M engine or Ferrari V8, it was the overall feel of the car, it was a lot more like a normal car, so it was a muted EVO and that’s not the point at all, I’d rather not have an EVO at all.

When you say EVOs aren’t light, compared to what? A Lotus?

A 6 GSR was around 1350kgs (RS about 100kgs lighter) about the same as the much smaller integrale, the new GR Yaris is 1250? And it’s TINY, EVOs were hardly lardy!

And while we are on that subject, if it wasn’t going to be a daily driver you should be looking at RS models, they are lighter and very different to drive, I’m not being biased but these are THE ONES!

People overlook the 7 because they have such rose tinted spectacles about the 6 but they are great in RS spec, the body was 50% stiffer on the GSR and the RS was even stronger!

They also seem to be the hidden bargain

See if you can find info on EVO magazine’s EVO 7 RS Sprint, it was a 7RS with a mild boost increase and exhaust

I wouldn’t buy another GSR



Edited by don logan on Sunday 21st February 11:51


Edited by don logan on Sunday 21st February 11:56

P13cur

10 posts

29 months

Sunday 21st February
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I'm in the slim minority... I actually like the X and the sst ... yes it's not raw and aggressive like the rest but times have changed and well mibbi I've got old before my time ... the 5/6 are phenomenal cars in my opinion the 7s are cracking to especially in blue but I looked at so many and 90% were rotten and still extremely well priced .. good 5-9 evos are hard to come by and extremely well priced

liner33

8,250 posts

166 months

Sunday 21st February
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I did a MLR 30-130 back in the day , my Evo 6 with 350hp recorded the same time as a 450hp Evo X , we did a few runs each, assume its was due to weight and gearing