Evo 6 Extreme RS450 - engine power cutting out
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don logan said:
UTH said:
don logan said:
You really should speak to Chris at C1 R, he probably did the PDI check on your car when it was sold new!
£40k to re shell or repair??
My 6 was deteriorating, Chris cleaned the underneath up massively and as crazy as it sounds an “as new” 7RS came up at a good price so I bought it as an alternative to fully restoring my 6 but….. the value of the 7 RS has increased to make it unuseable and it’s not my 6 (that I’ve owned from new)
That's to fully restore the current shell, including what it would probably cost to respray everything as well as all the paintwork is in a pretty dismal condition too. £40k to re shell or repair??
My 6 was deteriorating, Chris cleaned the underneath up massively and as crazy as it sounds an “as new” 7RS came up at a good price so I bought it as an alternative to fully restoring my 6 but….. the value of the 7 RS has increased to make it unuseable and it’s not my 6 (that I’ve owned from new)
It's not an exact quote as it's a bit of a 'who knows' job, but they're basing it somewhere around their experience with the Skyline they restored in terms of man hours that took.
I'll def give C1 R a call, think I remember coming across them on the MLR forums back in the day. I'll happily speak to anyone who might give me some hope that it could be saved for anywhere approaching a reasonable amount.
There can be NO END to restoration so you have to compromise!
Forget the money you’ve already spent on it, it’s done!
These cars will never be replaced, the GR Yaris is not an EVO!
Anyway, I'll get in touch with Chris and see what his thoughts might be.
UTH said:
Yeah I'm happy to forget the money I've already put into it, main problem I see if that anything I put into it now I'd want it to make some sense with the maths vs what it would be worth. In pristine condition I reckon it could get £40k or so......not that I'm wanting to sell it, but if I paid to get it to amazing nick, I'd have to make sure it stayed that way.
Anyway, I'll get in touch with Chris and see what his thoughts might be.
I think your valuation is reasonable! (what’s it going to be worth in 10yrs?)Anyway, I'll get in touch with Chris and see what his thoughts might be.
I’m sure you would keep it well after the work!
For a start the car would be treated underneath and in the chassis cavities!
I regret not taking precautions YEARS AGO when mine had zero protection!
First of all I'm absolutely gutted for you, the same thing happened when I sent my Prodrive Impreza in for an MOT after using it for a single winter. Need two new rear arches and most of the subframes replacing.
If it was a run of the mill Evo I'd have recommended breaking for parts as you'll get a good amount back as it's hard to get bits now for them. With it being a genuine RS Extreme I really would sit on it or look at ways to get the work done in bits. It's only going to increase in value and when these cars are 25 years old and legal in the US the values will rocket, offsetting anything you spend now.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
If it was a run of the mill Evo I'd have recommended breaking for parts as you'll get a good amount back as it's hard to get bits now for them. With it being a genuine RS Extreme I really would sit on it or look at ways to get the work done in bits. It's only going to increase in value and when these cars are 25 years old and legal in the US the values will rocket, offsetting anything you spend now.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
KarlMac said:
First of all I'm absolutely gutted for you, the same thing happened when I sent my Prodrive Impreza in for an MOT after using it for a single winter. Need two new rear arches and most of the subframes replacing.
If it was a run of the mill Evo I'd have recommended breaking for parts as you'll get a good amount back as it's hard to get bits now for them. With it being a genuine RS Extreme I really would sit on it or look at ways to get the work done in bits. It's only going to increase in value and when these cars are 25 years old and legal in the US the values will rocket, offsetting anything you spend now.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Thank you, yeah it's utterly gutting.If it was a run of the mill Evo I'd have recommended breaking for parts as you'll get a good amount back as it's hard to get bits now for them. With it being a genuine RS Extreme I really would sit on it or look at ways to get the work done in bits. It's only going to increase in value and when these cars are 25 years old and legal in the US the values will rocket, offsetting anything you spend now.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
I won't give up hope yet, the one thing going slightly in my favour is having a good 2023 so far at work, so being in a role that pays commission, if I carry on having a great year, MAYBE I could justify it.......
don logan said:
Haven’t the previous MOTs or Auto Torque visits been a clue?
Neither of them mention the deterioration over the years?
Fuel filler neck? Chassis rails?
How are the brake pipes?
Well, this is where I'm kicking myself - since moving from Fulham to Surrey I've been getting it serviced locally to save the logistical pain in the arse getting it to Aylesbury every 6 months. Obviously that is now backfiring in a major way, and of course I wish I'd just kept sending it to AT as no doubt their thorough inspection each time would have caught this early. Neither of them mention the deterioration over the years?
Fuel filler neck? Chassis rails?
How are the brake pipes?
UTH said:
Well, this is where I'm kicking myself - since moving from Fulham to Surrey I've been getting it serviced locally to save the logistical pain in the arse getting it to Aylesbury every 6 months. Obviously that is now backfiring in a major way, and of course I wish I'd just kept sending it to AT as no doubt their thorough inspection each time would have caught this early.
Don’t kick yourself too hard, I used to drive to Dudley from Central London every 6 months for about 15 years but I didn’t take the advice about the underside deterioration, and it used to live outside too!I think for the first 8 - 10yrs I didn’t think this would even happen!
Then I had some other cars that I thought of as more precious (Z3M Coupe, CSL, GTR) and that if my 6 was a bit rough it didn’t matter so much, but now those other cars are long gone and not missed much and I wish I’d taken care of the one car that has endured!
don logan said:
UTH said:
Well, this is where I'm kicking myself - since moving from Fulham to Surrey I've been getting it serviced locally to save the logistical pain in the arse getting it to Aylesbury every 6 months. Obviously that is now backfiring in a major way, and of course I wish I'd just kept sending it to AT as no doubt their thorough inspection each time would have caught this early.
Don’t kick yourself too hard, I used to drive to Dudley from Central London every 6 months for about 15 years but I didn’t take the advice about the underside deterioration, and it used to live outside too!I think for the first 8 - 10yrs I didn’t think this would even happen!
Then I had some other cars that I thought of as more precious (Z3M Coupe, CSL, GTR) and that if my 6 was a bit rough it didn’t matter so much, but now those other cars are long gone and not missed much and I wish I’d taken care of the one car that has endured!
UTH said:
It never crossed my mind it would suddenly be this bad, so naturally I'm thinking so much about 'if I'd done X, Y Z'. But no point going over what's done I guess. So so annoying.
I know how you feel, it feels like you DID it!It CAN be fixed, you just need a sensible plan and you may need to do it in stages
Sorry to hear that OP. I've just spent 8k on my 7RS over the last year. I was lucky in that the underbody corrosion was surface rust so a full underbody clean up and dinitrol + cavity injection has hopefully sorted it.
Then it went in for an idle issue... 4k later and a new second hand petrol tank - you can't buy them for 7s and below now and they rot through the ethanol content. You'll likely need a new tank too.
Needed loads of hoses and others bits replacing Inc. corroded turbo actuator, boost controller, and recirc valve.
Somehow evo ownership has now become classic car ownership without the simplicity of 50s 60s and 70s toys.
Then it went in for an idle issue... 4k later and a new second hand petrol tank - you can't buy them for 7s and below now and they rot through the ethanol content. You'll likely need a new tank too.
Needed loads of hoses and others bits replacing Inc. corroded turbo actuator, boost controller, and recirc valve.
Somehow evo ownership has now become classic car ownership without the simplicity of 50s 60s and 70s toys.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Sorry to hear that OP. I've just spent 8k on my 7RS over the last year. I was lucky in that the underbody corrosion was surface rust so a full underbody clean up and dinitrol + cavity injection has hopefully sorted it.
Then it went in for an idle issue... 4k later and a new second hand petrol tank - you can't buy them for 7s and below now and they rot through the ethanol content. You'll likely need a new tank too.
Needed loads of hoses and others bits replacing Inc. corroded turbo actuator, boost controller, and recirc valve.
Somehow evo ownership has now become classic car ownership without the simplicity of 50s 60s and 70s toys.
At least I'm not alone LOLThen it went in for an idle issue... 4k later and a new second hand petrol tank - you can't buy them for 7s and below now and they rot through the ethanol content. You'll likely need a new tank too.
Needed loads of hoses and others bits replacing Inc. corroded turbo actuator, boost controller, and recirc valve.
Somehow evo ownership has now become classic car ownership without the simplicity of 50s 60s and 70s toys.
I did £4k+ on the rear chassis legs not THAT long ago, replaced the fuel tank for an evo 5 tank again not TOO long ago.......Sadly I was never entirely clear of issues with this car, but I still can't face the idea of not owning it. When it was all working well it was just such a beast, not to mention owning something so rare and special.
UTH said:
During their inspections etc they have found awful levels of rust, so they didn't even bother finding out what that initial problem was.
Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
What does 'awful levels' mean for a 20+ year old Mitsubishi? Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
Why does a car need to be fully restored if you intend to keep and drive it on UK roads and climate?
If I were you, I would focus on getting the engine running right again and get a second opinion from someone else on the corrosion issue.
This is the problem with UK based Japanese car specialists, they paint a picture of worst case and bill you for it to make it worth their while.
TwinExit said:
UTH said:
During their inspections etc they have found awful levels of rust, so they didn't even bother finding out what that initial problem was.
Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
What does 'awful levels' mean for a 20+ year old Mitsubishi? Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
Why does a car need to be fully restored if you intend to keep and drive it on UK roads and climate?
If I were you, I would focus on getting the engine running right again and get a second opinion from someone else on the corrosion issue.
This is the problem with UK based Japanese car specialists, they paint a picture of worst case and bill you for it to make it worth their while.
Having not actually seen the car up in the air myself, I do believe they've got my best interests in mind as I've been sending my car to them on and off for 13 years. I think the problem is that with the corrosion as it is, it won't be passing another MOT, but it sounds like there's not a middle ground between full restoration or doing nothing.
Apart from the initial problem I sent it to them for, everything else was/is running well, so I'd certainly be happy to explore if anyone did think they could meet in the middle with fixing it and making it safe and sealed against future issues without being a full nuts and bolts restoration.
TwinExit said:
UTH said:
During their inspections etc they have found awful levels of rust, so they didn't even bother finding out what that initial problem was.
Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
What does 'awful levels' mean for a 20+ year old Mitsubishi? Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
This is the problem with UK based Japanese car specialists, they paint a picture of worst case and bill you for it to make it worth their while.
This is a VERY good point, they are doom mongers! (while also true that they do have a problem)
It would be interesting to see how it does with an MOT!
don logan said:
TwinExit said:
UTH said:
During their inspections etc they have found awful levels of rust, so they didn't even bother finding out what that initial problem was.
Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
What does 'awful levels' mean for a 20+ year old Mitsubishi? Long story short, it's either a HUGE expense on a full restoration, or it's basically not much better than scrap.
This is the problem with UK based Japanese car specialists, they paint a picture of worst case and bill you for it to make it worth their while.
This is a VERY good point, they are doom mongers! (while also true that they do have a problem)
It would be interesting to see how it does with an MOT!
UTH said:
It somehow got through MOT in December ...
The view of corrosion in a properly conducted MOT is to assertain risk from indicated structural weakness, and significant degradation towards the function of suspension and brakes to put it plainly. So if you had corrosion on or near such places it would be instant fail, like this ...However the modern Jap tuning and classic restomod scene will pressure you that your car needs to be like this or it needs to be condemned ...
TwinExit said:
UTH said:
It somehow got through MOT in December ...
The view of corrosion in a properly conducted MOT is to assertain risk from indicated structural weakness, and significant degradation towards the function of suspension and brakes to put it plainly. So if you had corrosion on or near such places it would be instant fail, like this ...However the modern Jap tuning and classic restomod scene will pressure you that your car needs to be like this or it needs to be condemned ...
UTH said:
There was about £1k worth of welding done to get it through the MOT.....so I'm guessing the minimum required to satisfy the MOT was done, but AT have uncovered what I guess is corrosion through the chassis which over time will be terminal.....
It depends if you continue to drive / park the car outside in winters and if the roads are wet.I get that some corrosion should be addressed in problem areas as a preventative measure, but it's the whole £40K quote to ground-up restore it that sets off red flags.
If it was a show car you limp between car show to car show, or you are hoping it will add signifcant value when you decide to sell you can almost justify it, but once you get a car restored to such a level, you limit your enjoyment and opportunity to drive it as it will start to age again.
90’s jap cars are going up in value, so as long as it’s a keeper you will break even.
To put it in some context, I have sunk £10k in panels, labour and paint into a classic ford escort.
10years ago, people would call me mad, but clean standard cars are now £20k and even the non halo sports versions are £40k plus.
An Evo extreme was rare when people started importing back in 2000 and it’s rare now.
Worst case. Park it up for another 5 years when the numbers will be even more attractive.
To put it in some context, I have sunk £10k in panels, labour and paint into a classic ford escort.
10years ago, people would call me mad, but clean standard cars are now £20k and even the non halo sports versions are £40k plus.
An Evo extreme was rare when people started importing back in 2000 and it’s rare now.
Worst case. Park it up for another 5 years when the numbers will be even more attractive.
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