Need EVO and Scooby advice
Discussion
www.sidc.co.uk/faq.htm
Worth a read although some of it refers to much older cars many of the points are still very relevant.
Worth a read although some of it refers to much older cars many of the points are still very relevant.
NutNut said:
Guys, if I go for an STI is there anything I should look out for? i.e. stuff a garage might not tell me, or try to hide? Overuse or wear and tear on certain things etc.
Check shocks too. You will hear a clunk noise going over a bump, hard to hear at first but do check. These will be replaced if the car is still under warrenty.
Mine are getting replaced next week under warrenty.
12 months or 10,000 miles on all models except the WR1 as far as i know. Servicing costs aren't that high. 20,000 mile service on my old WRX was £266 at a subaru dealership which I didn't think was too bad. However, scoobys are famous for eating their tyres and since they are so much fun to chuck about you'll be lucky to get more than 8 or 9k miles out of a set. The tyre costs are further compounded by the fact that you do really have to get them in sets of 4 and they have to be good quality, high performance tyres, otherwise you'll be through a wall..... backwards!
Edited by MilnerR on Friday 13th April 08:58
Both of my Scoobs have been light on tyres. The green UK car got 20k to 25k out of a set of PZeros (with adiquate, but conservative geometry settings). The RA seems to manage to kill fronts on the shoulders in 15k miles. (with silly but fun geometry settings)
I'm comparing this with a TVR which will thoroughly kill a set of rears in 8k, so it's all relative... I'm not a hooligan really!
I'm comparing this with a TVR which will thoroughly kill a set of rears in 8k, so it's all relative... I'm not a hooligan really!
Depending how they're driven AWD cars can be ok on tyres due the almost complete lack of wheelspin. I imagine it wouldn't eat fronts nearly as quickly as a Civic type-R. My '90 2.0 AWD Legacy used to go through rears noticably faster than fronts (especially outside shoulders), but that may be something to do with my driving style 
and soft suspension. What can cause the rally-reps to chew tyres faster is the way they taunt you into pushing every corner just a little bit harder, braking a bit later, getting on the gas a bit earlier, etc...
GravelBen said:
What can cause the rally-reps to chew tyres faster is the way they taunt you into pushing every corner just a little bit harder, braking a bit later, getting on the gas a bit earlier, etc...
There's also the fact that the really grippy tyres tend to be quite soft compounds. My REO70s have done about 5500 miles and they're about 2/3rds worn. Then again my drive to work is over some very twisty b roads that require maximum hoonage I bought an 16 mth old STI PPP (2.0)with 5k miles on at the the end of Jan for my commute car, since then i have done 5k 
and not a prob in sight, the main thing that put me off an EVO was the servicing
I think there is a TG comparison on youtube somewhere and whilst they agree'd the EVO at 10/10ths was the better car, for the drive home they wanted the scoob
and not a prob in sight, the main thing that put me off an EVO was the servicing I think there is a TG comparison on youtube somewhere and whilst they agree'd the EVO at 10/10ths was the better car, for the drive home they wanted the scoob
Well as I'll be hooning it about (just can't help myself), I suspect I'll get through tyres, which is to be expected. Even though I really love Evo's, must admit the servicing side does put me off a bit. Think I'll start with a Scooby, get used to how a car like that handles, then maybe change it for an Evo at a later date. Or then again I might just fall in love with the Scooby and never want anything else! Well apart from a TVR.
I went through the same choice before I bought my scooby 2 years ago.
I do like evos, but the servicing put me off, as did mitsubishi's attitude to track days...i.e.
if they even suspect youve done any, your warranty is fecked.
With subaru, they talk about track days on their website, and a couple of dealers I spoke to said
they had no problem with them.
I also found the evo a bit tinny, whereas the scoob felt a bit more solid to me. As this was my everyday car, I wanted something that felt bulletproof.
Plus there was that sound. Evos really dont make much of a noise, but the scooby thrum is very distinctive.
On looks, I prefer scoobies, but thats only my opinion of course.
BTW, if you do look at a new one, dealers are doing cracking deals on STi s.
Especially the northern ones, who seem much more interested in doing a deal than the southern ones.
I do like evos, but the servicing put me off, as did mitsubishi's attitude to track days...i.e.
if they even suspect youve done any, your warranty is fecked.
With subaru, they talk about track days on their website, and a couple of dealers I spoke to said
they had no problem with them.
I also found the evo a bit tinny, whereas the scoob felt a bit more solid to me. As this was my everyday car, I wanted something that felt bulletproof.
Plus there was that sound. Evos really dont make much of a noise, but the scooby thrum is very distinctive.
On looks, I prefer scoobies, but thats only my opinion of course.
BTW, if you do look at a new one, dealers are doing cracking deals on STi s.
Especially the northern ones, who seem much more interested in doing a deal than the southern ones.
You can pick up a new 2007 reg STi for around 21K off the internet, which is shedloads cheaper than a main Subaru dealer. That leaves you shedloads of cash to get a proper 350bhp upgrade (not PPP) to include the xtra bits you'll need to make it handle and lose the understeer. Goodluck and enjoy your test drives. Don't be afraid to put your boot down and make sure you find some decent country lanes so you get a proper test drive. 
scoobiewrx said:
You can pick up a new 2007 reg STi for around 21K off the internet, which is shedloads cheaper than a main Subaru dealer. That leaves you shedloads of cash to get a proper 350bhp upgrade (not PPP) to include the xtra bits you'll need to make it handle and lose the understeer. Goodluck and enjoy your test drives. Don't be afraid to put your boot down and make sure you find some decent country lanes so you get a proper test drive.
scooniewrx,
Ive got a my05 stippp. Im looking for a powerupgrade ..but something subtle without too many component changes. The ecutek remap/ panel filter and down pipe from tsl is looking a good bet unless vixpy can kick me in a different direction.
What do you think about it...or would you rate the powerestation kits better?
btw...my 05 with the dccd certainly doesnt understeer. !!set to slight rearbias, its pretty tail happy
set to full bias, its drift club time.
Edited by peterpeter on Sunday 15th April 09:25
peterpeter said:
btw...my 05 with the dccd certainly doesnt understeer. !!set to slight rearbias, its pretty tail happy
set to full bias, its drift club time.
set to full bias, its drift club time.
based on having driven (and almost bought) a v2 STi-RA I'd have to agree, understeer really isn't an issue with DCCD cars the way it is with the regular 50/50 split AWD. (
gave it a squirt from rolling in 1st turning right at an intersection the way I would in my car, found myself opposite-locking my way up the road quite rapidly with all 4 wheels lit up. Wasn't exactly what I was expecting from a Subie, but that was one of the moments which convinced me that at some stage I have to own an STi with DCCD) Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 15th April 11:02
peterpeter said:
scoobiewrx said:
You can pick up a new 2007 reg STi for around 21K off the internet, which is shedloads cheaper than a main Subaru dealer. That leaves you shedloads of cash to get a proper 350bhp upgrade (not PPP) to include the xtra bits you'll need to make it handle and lose the understeer. Goodluck and enjoy your test drives. Don't be afraid to put your boot down and make sure you find some decent country lanes so you get a proper test drive.
scooniewrx,
Ive got a my05 stippp. Im looking for a powerupgrade ..but something subtle without too many component changes. The ecutek remap/ panel filter and down pipe from tsl is looking a good bet unless vixpy can kick me in a different direction.
What do you think about it...or would you rate the powerestation kits better?
btw...my 05 with the dccd certainly doesnt understeer. !!set to slight rearbias, its pretty tail happy
set to full bias, its drift club time.
Edited by peterpeter on Sunday 15th April 09:25
I would say that whether you go with Powerstation or TSL probably isn't the issue. For me, and because they are much closer to me, and unless i was buying a Litchfield, i would go the TSL route. TSL aren't cheap but then neither is Powerstation and you get what you pay for. The TSL exhaust system has a proper GrpN 100 cell fast flow cat( which is not far off a decat exhaust), and get the decat up-pipe (or gut the original yourself), all that should still get you through MOT emmisions testing.
Judging by where you're based, South of Watford, i imagine you're right in the middle of both so you have a choice, either go up the M1 or go along the M4. If you go to Powerstation they will do the remap there and then, in situ, after the exhaust mod. They have a rolling road there to check the numbers afterwards.
If you go to TSL they will fit the exhhaust but then they get Paul at Zen Performance in Wellingborough to do the mapping, on-road. It's cheaper if you go and see Zen Performance directly, after TSL do the exhaust, but then you still have to take the car to a rolling road to check the numbers (bhp/torque).
In which case i imagine the answer to be Powerstation and get it all done under the one roof. Hope that helps.
Edited by scoobiewrx on Sunday 15th April 22:30
scoobiewrx said:
peterpeter said:
scoobiewrx said:
You can pick up a new 2007 reg STi for around 21K off the internet, which is shedloads cheaper than a main Subaru dealer. That leaves you shedloads of cash to get a proper 350bhp upgrade (not PPP) to include the xtra bits you'll need to make it handle and lose the understeer. Goodluck and enjoy your test drives. Don't be afraid to put your boot down and make sure you find some decent country lanes so you get a proper test drive.
scooniewrx,
Ive got a my05 stippp. Im looking for a powerupgrade ..but something subtle without too many component changes. The ecutek remap/ panel filter and down pipe from tsl is looking a good bet unless vixpy can kick me in a different direction.
What do you think about it...or would you rate the powerestation kits better?
btw...my 05 with the dccd certainly doesnt understeer. !!set to slight rearbias, its pretty tail happy
set to full bias, its drift club time.
Edited by peterpeter on Sunday 15th April 09:25
I would say that whether you go with Powerstation or TSL probably isn't the issue. For me, and because they are much closer to me, and unless i was buying a Litchfield, i would go the TSL route. TSL aren't cheap but then neither is Powerstation and you get what you pay for. The TSL exhaust system has a proper GrpN 100 cell fast flow cat( which is not far off a decat exhaust), and get the decat up-pipe (or gut the original yourself), all that should still get you through MOT emmisions testing.
Judging by where you're based, South of Watford, i imagine you're right in the middle of both so you have a choice, either go up the M1 or go along the M4. If you go to Powerstation they will do the remap there and then, in situ, after the exhaust mod. They have a rolling road there to check the numbers afterwards.
If you go to TSL they will fit the exhhaust but then they get Paul at Zen Performance in Wellingborough to do the mapping, on-road. It's cheaper if you go and see Zen Performance directly, after TSL do the exhaust, but then you still have to take the car to a rolling road to check the numbers (bhp/torque).
In which case i imagine the answer to be Powerstation and get it all done under the one roof. Hope that helps.
Edited by scoobiewrx on Sunday 15th April 22:30
it does..cheers
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