New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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youngsyr said:
r999 said:
youngsyr said:
If BMW have changed the procedure so that only they can recode a key in the absence of an original key,
Why assume that? It seems more likely they have changed the procedure so that anyone can still code a new key, but only in the presence of an original key. And that in the absence of an original key, nobody can code a new key, not even BMW dealers themselves, and in that situation they would offer to replace the locks or CAS module. Some owners might not like that, but it would be no different in principle from the present situation where eventually you run out of key renewal options and have to replace the locks; it just happens rather sooner.But once again, we need firm information, not speculation of this kind.
Mr Bimmer said:
NelsonR32 said:
Stuart Thompson said:
NelsonR32 said:
Stop being a troll. There are no issues with Audi's as they put decent security precautions in their cars unlike BMW.
I'd say you we're the one doing the trolling seeing this is a BMW forum.Mr Bimmer was deliberately implying that Audi's have the same design flaw BMW with no evidence whatsoever in order to save his employer some face.
Edited by NelsonR32 on Sunday 25th November 22:39
Take a look at this. You may enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGsWCdg3fQU
Edited by Mr Bimmer on Sunday 25th November 23:44
Mr Bimmer said:
youngsyr said:
Assuming the update does change the key coding process, I suspect we'll see a significant drop in BMW thefts, which outweighs a small increase in houses being broken into to steal car keys, as the less determined car thieves give up on this area of crime and the more determined ones find other ways to take the cars.
Now it's Audi's turn.
- on a side note. You also can't obtain a key blade number from Audi for FAZIT cars. So the person in the video has either had some duplicate cut or is using the original key for demonstration.
NelsonR32 said:
Mr Bimmer said:
NelsonR32 said:
Stuart Thompson said:
NelsonR32 said:
Stop being a troll. There are no issues with Audi's as they put decent security precautions in their cars unlike BMW.
I'd say you we're the one doing the trolling seeing this is a BMW forum.Mr Bimmer was deliberately implying that Audi's have the same design flaw BMW with no evidence whatsoever in order to save his employer some face.
Edited by NelsonR32 on Sunday 25th November 22:39
Take a look at this. You may enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGsWCdg3fQU
Edited by Mr Bimmer on Sunday 25th November 23:44
Mr Bimmer said:
youngsyr said:
Assuming the update does change the key coding process, I suspect we'll see a significant drop in BMW thefts, which outweighs a small increase in houses being broken into to steal car keys, as the less determined car thieves give up on this area of crime and the more determined ones find other ways to take the cars.
Now it's Audi's turn.- on a side note. You also can't obtain a key blade number from Audi for FAZIT cars. So the person in the video has either had some duplicate cut or is using the original key for demonstration.
Spoke to my local dealer last week about the security update who again confirmed my car, 56 plate E60, is not affected. We had a conversation about the methods used by the people stealing the cars and that mine can be opened the same way as tbe later cars. We'll see what happens when I drop it in for service on Friday although I might ask them to deactivate the wind all the windows down off the key feature.
dtiom said:
Spoke to my local dealer last week about the security update who again confirmed my car, 56 plate E60, is not affected. We had a conversation about the methods used by the people stealing the cars and that mine can be opened the same way as tbe later cars. We'll see what happens when I drop it in for service on Friday although I might ask them to deactivate the wind all the windows down off the key feature.
Hate to break this to you, but my 06 M5 was stolen by this method, so your dealer is wrong.dtiom said:
Zod said:
Hate to break this to you, but my 06 M5 was stolen by this method, so your dealer is wrong.
This is what worries me. We know 06 cars are being stolen using the same methods as the newer cars but BMW (dealers and BMW HQ) are not doing anything about it.dtiom said:
This is what worries me. We know 06 cars are being stolen using the same methods as the newer cars but BMW (dealers and BMW HQ) are not doing anything about it.
I follow this issue on other threads and I'm sure I read some where either on here or on another forum that the CAS firmware that was originally affected by this problem dates back to 2005. I do not know this as fact but I merely pass this info on that I read elsewhere. This would indeed mean that 2006 cars may be affected and seems to be backed up by the person who posted earlier on this page about his 2006 M5 being stolen. TX1 said:
May be Mr Bimmer who seems to be well informed could shed some light regarding 05 and 06 models.
Are these effected ?
I can't say for sure if the fix actually works on the 05-07 models. The CAS firmware is the same on those earlier models. The EWS system changed in mid 06 which may affect things. I plan on flashing an 05 in the next few weeks to verify it for 100%.Are these effected ?
If I were you, I would hunt around for a BMW specialist with an Autologic diagnostic machine. They can update the single CAS module for a few pounds. Not Foc, but money well spent. They might not know what you are talking about regarding a security enhancement, so just tell them you want the latest CAS file on your car. There's no need to do the whole car, but it's worth doing if it's still on old firmware.
Try unlocking the car with the brass key before taking it in. The window should roll down if you hold the key on it's stop for a few seconds. After the update it shouldn't roll down.
Don't shout at me if it doesn't work, but I'm fairly sure it will do the trick
Software on my 320ED (2010) was updated while the dealer was putting my winter wheels on. Don't have comfort access on the car so didn't ask for the update, dealer said they were doing it "to prevent cars being stolen like they showed on watchdog"? Pleasantly surprised with their proactive approach for a change.
Boss Hogg said:
Software on my 320ED (2010) was updated while the dealer was putting my winter wheels on. Don't have comfort access on the car so didn't ask for the update, dealer said they were doing it "to prevent cars being stolen like they showed on watchdog"? Pleasantly surprised with their proactive approach for a change.
Implementing a fix because of a TV show can only be described as reactive. They certainly have not been proactive at all. DpchMd said:
Implementing a fix because of a TV show can only be described as reactive. They certainly have not been proactive at all.
The fix was being implemented in regular software updates since late 2011. Watchdog only got involved after the fix was perfected (And wrongly claimed the credit!). They certainly didn't have any impact on getting BMW to fix it. Granted it got the issue into the public domain though. Otherwise owners would have just had their cars updated without even knowing there was a problem in the first place.
Edited by Mr Bimmer on Tuesday 27th November 22:44
Tea Pot One said:
Mine's in for the upgrade on Thursday ... so can I dispense with the Disclok afterwards ... or not ?
This will be dependent on how confident you feel about the update. In theory, thieves shouldn't be able to code the car to a new key so your Disklok shouldn't be needed. However, mine will stay in its Velcro bag in the boot for those areas I park in that I'm not familiar with. If you don't already have one I'd get the boot bag and just keep it in the boot. Mr Bimmer said:
The fix was being implemented in regular software updates since late 2011. Watchdog only got involved after the fix was perfected (And wrongly claimed the credit!). They certainly didn't have any impact on getting BMW to fix it.
Granted it got the issue into the public domain though. Otherwise owners would have just had their cars updated without even knowing there was a problem in the first place.
When I first asked my local dealer about this - as a result of following both this thread and seeing the Watchdog programme - they told me BMW were still working on a fix. From memory that was back in September and when I followed it up with them last week they said a fix had now been released and hopefully my car (a late 2009 E92) is getting done tomorrow. However, not sure how that squares with fixes being implemented since late 2011 if in September 2012 BMW were still working on it? Also a bit disappointing that owners are having to contact BMW to get the fix done rather than the other way round; I realise it's not a safety issue as such but nevertheless I think BMW could (and should) be more pro-active in helping to make owners cars secure....Granted it got the issue into the public domain though. Otherwise owners would have just had their cars updated without even knowing there was a problem in the first place.
Edited by Mr Bimmer on Tuesday 27th November 22:44
Edited by JNW1 on Wednesday 28th November 09:26
JNW1 said:
When I first asked my local dealer about this - as a result of following both this thread and seeing the Watchdog programme - they told me BMW were still working on a fix. From memory that was back in September and when I followed it up with them last week they said a fix had now been released and hopefully my car (a late 2009 E92) is getting done tomorrow. However, not sure how that squares with fixes being implemented since late 2011 if in September 2012 BMW were still working on it? Also a bit disappointing that owners are having to contact BMW to get the fix done rather than the other way round; I realise it's not a safety issue as such but nevertheless I think BMW could (and should) be more pro-active in helping to make owners cars secure....
If you go back to page 14 you will see my post regarding the firmware update. No one seemed to believe it at the time. Edited by JNW1 on Wednesday 28th November 09:26
You won't find any documented proof that its been available though. The main dealers are the last people to find out.
on 18th April 2012 Mr Bimmer said:
Just get your BMWs updated to the latest firmware. This cures the problem with the key hacking issue.
Simple
Simple
Edited by Mr Bimmer on Wednesday 28th November 10:55
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