Which 4 Series Should I Go For?
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AB said:
12 less than my 435d over 18k miles.
Isn't that a larger gap than people were expecting?
Depends what they would get in the 435d surely? Isn't that a larger gap than people were expecting?
The two people I know with a 435d ad a 435d GC are getting 38 and 36mpg in theirs. He might be one of those.
If you're getting 42mpg in a 435d you might see around 34mpg in a 440i?
Surely depends how fast you go. Comparing MPGs isn't like-for-like.
It's common for me to keep a constant 90mph on the motorway when it's clear rather than 70-80. Yesterday I averaged 95mph on the M6. On A roads I'm often doing 10mph above the speed limit - taking in to account conditions, visibility etc. I don't see the problem. I'm getting 40mpg in my 430d. TBF in these cars doing 100mph+ really doesn't strain the car much; they're well composed. It's just a shame we don't have the roads in this country to take advantage.
It's common for me to keep a constant 90mph on the motorway when it's clear rather than 70-80. Yesterday I averaged 95mph on the M6. On A roads I'm often doing 10mph above the speed limit - taking in to account conditions, visibility etc. I don't see the problem. I'm getting 40mpg in my 430d. TBF in these cars doing 100mph+ really doesn't strain the car much; they're well composed. It's just a shame we don't have the roads in this country to take advantage.
gizlaroc said:
AB said:
12 less than my 435d over 18k miles.
Isn't that a larger gap than people were expecting?
Depends what they would get in the 435d surely? Isn't that a larger gap than people were expecting?
The two people I know with a 435d ad a 435d GC are getting 38 and 36mpg in theirs. He might be one of those.
If you're getting 42mpg in a 435d you might see around 34mpg in a 440i?
ETA: And based on my experience with an E92 335i and an F31 335d I'd say it's highly unlikely that a 435d will be 12mpg better than a 440i!
Edited by JNW1 on Monday 2nd May 15:40
Sorry, that was me bing a bit facetious.
My point is, that tells you sod all apart from what the 2 cars get on that 200 mile trip.
It is not a case of being anal, it is a case of me working out if I am actually saving money buying an engine I have bought as a bit of a compromise to save some money. And so far I have been well impressed with the petrols and consistently disappointed with the diesels. Not with their performance, just the fact they don't actually save me any money.
I do Norwich to London all the time, it is 210 miles door to door, with typical London traffic and then some pretty steady motorway work up the M11/A11.
The thing you really notice is the diesel takes quite a bit longer to get going, for the first 10 miles it is behind the petrol, then it slowly starts to catch up, by the time I have arrived it is normally around 10-15% better than the petrol.
My 335d Touring would get 38-42mpg doing that journey in the summer (I didn't own it in the winter) and the 335i I swapped it for used to get 34-36mpg.
When I first got the 335i I also had the 120d still, which I used for mile munching, the average at first on the 335i was 24/25mpg, however, when I started using the 335i as my daily the average started to shoot up, for the next 6 months it was averaging 33/34mpg.
The one area where the 335i was better was the morning run, 6 miles to school and the 335i used to get better mpg than the 335d, but the diesel hadn't warmed up. So if someone is using their car for lots of sub 10 mile journeys they may find they use less fuel in the petrol.
So it really does depend on what your journeys are, and what you are using the car for. There were loads of users on e90post back 2005/6 who were moaning they were only seeing mid to high twenties mpg in their 335d, but then thy were using it as a fun car and only doing a longer journey maybe once a month.
I just think I owe it to myself to work out if the car I really want is affordable rather than writing it off based on what I have in my head about it. I am down from 35-40k miles a year to 15-20k, so for me the difference between a big diesel or petrol is £5-10 a week. I'm more than happy to pay that!
My point is, that tells you sod all apart from what the 2 cars get on that 200 mile trip.
It is not a case of being anal, it is a case of me working out if I am actually saving money buying an engine I have bought as a bit of a compromise to save some money. And so far I have been well impressed with the petrols and consistently disappointed with the diesels. Not with their performance, just the fact they don't actually save me any money.
I do Norwich to London all the time, it is 210 miles door to door, with typical London traffic and then some pretty steady motorway work up the M11/A11.
The thing you really notice is the diesel takes quite a bit longer to get going, for the first 10 miles it is behind the petrol, then it slowly starts to catch up, by the time I have arrived it is normally around 10-15% better than the petrol.
My 335d Touring would get 38-42mpg doing that journey in the summer (I didn't own it in the winter) and the 335i I swapped it for used to get 34-36mpg.
When I first got the 335i I also had the 120d still, which I used for mile munching, the average at first on the 335i was 24/25mpg, however, when I started using the 335i as my daily the average started to shoot up, for the next 6 months it was averaging 33/34mpg.
The one area where the 335i was better was the morning run, 6 miles to school and the 335i used to get better mpg than the 335d, but the diesel hadn't warmed up. So if someone is using their car for lots of sub 10 mile journeys they may find they use less fuel in the petrol.
So it really does depend on what your journeys are, and what you are using the car for. There were loads of users on e90post back 2005/6 who were moaning they were only seeing mid to high twenties mpg in their 335d, but then thy were using it as a fun car and only doing a longer journey maybe once a month.
I just think I owe it to myself to work out if the car I really want is affordable rather than writing it off based on what I have in my head about it. I am down from 35-40k miles a year to 15-20k, so for me the difference between a big diesel or petrol is £5-10 a week. I'm more than happy to pay that!
As I said Derv is king on long runs ,and with my miles and the journeys I do ,I reckon it would be about £25 a week,my 330d v 340i the 335d is a different beast I wouldnt buy that car if I was looking for MPGs
Your and mine 120ds I reckon the 330d is on a par or sleightly better MPG wise over all journeys,the 335d is another matter isnt it MG wise
Your and mine 120ds I reckon the 330d is on a par or sleightly better MPG wise over all journeys,the 335d is another matter isnt it MG wise
Edited by smashy on Monday 2nd May 18:36
Edited by smashy on Monday 2nd May 18:38
interstellar said:
I didn't buy the 340i to be worried about mpg. I bought it because I wanted it, I wouldn't have considered the diesel if it did do many more mpg.
I prefer petrols, the noise, the cold starts and the pops and crackles on over run in sports mode are well worth it.
Everyone is different.
With respect you're missing the point! I wouldn't advocate buying a 340i and then driving like a granny in an attempt to maximise mpg but the point isn't that people do (or should) buy petrols for mpg, the point is that many people buy diesels for that reason and dismiss the petrol because they think it will be much worse on fuel. However, in my experience that isn't necessarily so; I bought a 335d rather than a 335i because I thought I'd get a much better range as a result of 40mpg + but the reality has proved rather different. Therefore, when I post comments saying that there isn't the massive difference between diesel and petrol that you might think, it's not an attempt to convince people to buy something like a 340i for economy, it's more an attempt to warn people that the real world mpg of something like a 335d isn't necessarily what they might imagine (and therefore the difference between petrol and diesel may well be less than they're expecting). On numerous occasions on various threads and forums I've read comments along the lines "I'm going for a 335d in preference to a 340i because the petrol will cost too much on fuel" when in reality the difference is often peanuts in the context of a £40k car; just trying to draw people's attention to that and help them make an informed decision! I prefer petrols, the noise, the cold starts and the pops and crackles on over run in sports mode are well worth it.
Everyone is different.
JNW1 said:
interstellar said:
I didn't buy the 340i to be worried about mpg. I bought it because I wanted it, I wouldn't have considered the diesel if it did do many more mpg.
I prefer petrols, the noise, the cold starts and the pops and crackles on over run in sports mode are well worth it.
Everyone is different.
With respect you're missing the point! I wouldn't advocate buying a 340i and then driving like a granny in an attempt to maximise mpg but the point isn't that people do (or should) buy petrols for mpg, the point is that many people buy diesels for that reason and dismiss the petrol because they think it will be much worse on fuel. However, in my experience that isn't necessarily so; I bought a 335d rather than a 335i because I thought I'd get a much better range as a result of 40mpg + but the reality has proved rather different. Therefore, when I post comments saying that there isn't the massive difference between diesel and petrol that you might think, it's not an attempt to convince people to buy something like a 340i for economy, it's more an attempt to warn people that the real world mpg of something like a 335d isn't necessarily what they might imagine (and therefore the difference between petrol and diesel may well be less than they're expecting). On numerous occasions on various threads and forums I've read comments along the lines "I'm going for a 335d in preference to a 340i because the petrol will cost too much on fuel" when in reality the difference is often peanuts in the context of a £40k car; just trying to draw people's attention to that and help them make an informed decision! I prefer petrols, the noise, the cold starts and the pops and crackles on over run in sports mode are well worth it.
Everyone is different.
interstellar said:
No I got your point. I was just reiterating that not everyone compares the two cars before purchase and their mpg in a bid to decide which way to go, but you are right, its never as big a gap as it seems
I'm one of them! Diesel was never an option! Would rather the noise of the petrol especially when only doing about 6-8000 miles at the moment! An update for anybody interested
Just clicked over 5000 miles in the 428i and loving the car, as others have said its a fast comfortable cruiser and eats up the miles. So nice to be back in a petrol powered car although I do sometimes miss the low down surge of torque from a derv car. The refinement more than makes up for it though!
Love the practicality and load carrying capacity of the hatchback. Agree with comment about the satnav, get frustrated occasionally when it won't do what I want it to and it has twice so far given me duff directions.
Had a quick check on fuel consumption earlier, the trip computer is showing 37.4 mpg but calculated over the last 2800 miles works out at 38.5 mpg. I would say that 60% mileage is motorway mileage the rest city commuting etc. I don't hang around so quite pleased with that.
Love the look of 403 wheels but they are a bit of a pita to keep clean...
I really should spend more time playing with the on board computery thing, feel like I have only scratched the surface so far.
J
Just clicked over 5000 miles in the 428i and loving the car, as others have said its a fast comfortable cruiser and eats up the miles. So nice to be back in a petrol powered car although I do sometimes miss the low down surge of torque from a derv car. The refinement more than makes up for it though!
Love the practicality and load carrying capacity of the hatchback. Agree with comment about the satnav, get frustrated occasionally when it won't do what I want it to and it has twice so far given me duff directions.
Had a quick check on fuel consumption earlier, the trip computer is showing 37.4 mpg but calculated over the last 2800 miles works out at 38.5 mpg. I would say that 60% mileage is motorway mileage the rest city commuting etc. I don't hang around so quite pleased with that.
Love the look of 403 wheels but they are a bit of a pita to keep clean...
I really should spend more time playing with the on board computery thing, feel like I have only scratched the surface so far.
J
J4m80 said:
Just clicked over 5000 miles in the 428i and loving the car, as others have said its a fast comfortable cruiser and eats up the miles. So nice to be back in a petrol powered car although I do sometimes miss the low down surge of torque from a derv car. The refinement more than makes up for it though!
J
I think a petrol turbo and a diesel turbo are very similar in their power delivery though and they both pick up well at low revs, the only difference is that the petrol revs higher and obviously sounds much better. J
If you compared a 435d to a 435i both will offer low down shove and very similar performance yet the oil burner will offer better economy but a less inspiring noise.
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