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Hi all,
My old man is considering a new F30 335d M Sport. What are these like in the real world? I'd appreciate any owners' opinions and advice.
Also might seem like a silly question but does it sound like a typical agricultural diesel? I absolutely love the look of the new 3 series though, the headlights are incredible!
Many thanks
My old man is considering a new F30 335d M Sport. What are these like in the real world? I'd appreciate any owners' opinions and advice.
Also might seem like a silly question but does it sound like a typical agricultural diesel? I absolutely love the look of the new 3 series though, the headlights are incredible!
Many thanks
I have an F31 335d X drive and its all the car I need at the moment
Our last family shed was a RR Sport and so was a bit worried about space but in reality its fine
In fact the kids (almost 6 foot tall) reckon theres more legroom than the old tractor
Large dog fits in the boot as well
Only change is that we'll need a roofbox for holidays with the dog but I dont mind that
mpg is up to 50 on the M way dropping to 20 in town with gratuitous use of 'sport' mode
And boy does it shift.,......
This range of BMW 6 cylinder diesels are virtually silent in running and only when you stand outside after a minus 4c start can you hear the engine but is the noise you hear all the whirring that any engine makes or the combustion process ? well that's debatable . Perhaps the ultimate combination of fuel efficiency and range combined with fantastic "real world" performance .
I'm 3k miles from new in a 335d X-Drive Touring and I think it's brilliant. Engine and gearbox is very smooth and doesn't sound too bad for a diesel.
I wouldn't be without the HUD and adaptive lights and if you do lots of motorway miles then the advanced cruise control is worth having. The only extra I wish I hadn't left off is the surround view so I could keep an eye on those kerbs when parking.
It's effortlessly fast and sure footed on the current winter roads. MPG isn't as good as I was expecting but it did turn in mid 40's on a long fully loaded Christmas trip. I'm expecting it to improve with age and warmer weather.
I like it a lot.
Marbles.
I wouldn't be without the HUD and adaptive lights and if you do lots of motorway miles then the advanced cruise control is worth having. The only extra I wish I hadn't left off is the surround view so I could keep an eye on those kerbs when parking.
It's effortlessly fast and sure footed on the current winter roads. MPG isn't as good as I was expecting but it did turn in mid 40's on a long fully loaded Christmas trip. I'm expecting it to improve with age and warmer weather.
I like it a lot.
Marbles.
I've got the touring and have covered 10k miles ish so far. I love it. It eats miles with ease and can be thrashed well without it feeling to costly.
Doesn't sound that bad to be honest, much better than the four pot and not really that noticeable.
However, you MUST change the springs. I was a bit unimpressed with the ride compared to my e91and read all the hype over ACS springs and thought I might as well try it.
So glad I did. Ride quality the same, but much less dive under braking and before had a general floaty feeling at pace, now feels a lot more planted and level in corners.
First time I've ever modded a new car and very glad I did. So please if you do get one consider it! Driven a few with the adaptive and it helps but the springs make the car so much more rewarding.
agree with above about the lights, also the msport plus kit is good value and gives you all the bits you should really get!
hope that helps!
Doesn't sound that bad to be honest, much better than the four pot and not really that noticeable.
However, you MUST change the springs. I was a bit unimpressed with the ride compared to my e91and read all the hype over ACS springs and thought I might as well try it.
So glad I did. Ride quality the same, but much less dive under braking and before had a general floaty feeling at pace, now feels a lot more planted and level in corners.
First time I've ever modded a new car and very glad I did. So please if you do get one consider it! Driven a few with the adaptive and it helps but the springs make the car so much more rewarding.
agree with above about the lights, also the msport plus kit is good value and gives you all the bits you should really get!
hope that helps!
Edited by Ltrainium on Sunday 29th January 21:45
I have had my F30 335d getting on for 3 years now, and I still think it is a remarkable car. I did fit ACS springs along with Michelin Pilot Super Sport tyres to sharpen it up, but the combination of the 35d engine with the ZF8 speed box is impressive.
When you start the car, there is no doubting it's a diesel engine, but it doesn't give the full agricultural experience. It actually makes quite a nice noise when pressing on, helped somewhat by 'Active Sound Design' like all BMWs these days.
When you start the car, there is no doubting it's a diesel engine, but it doesn't give the full agricultural experience. It actually makes quite a nice noise when pressing on, helped somewhat by 'Active Sound Design' like all BMWs these days.
335d said:
It actually makes quite a nice noise when pressing on, helped somewhat by 'Active Sound Design' like all BMWs these days.
I agree with that, yet you would never drop the window to listen to the engine though, because it wouldn't be a pleasant experience. That's why I have the opinion that the engine sounds poor overall, great for torque/economy...rock bottom for enjoyment.
cerb4.5lee said:
I agree with that, yet you would never drop the window to listen to the engine though, because it wouldn't be a pleasant experience.
That's why I have the opinion that the engine sounds poor overall, great for torque/economy...rock bottom for enjoyment.
While I wouldn't drop the window to listen to the engine, I don't agree that it sounds bad at all, although it's clearly subjective. I attach a video of the 335d with active sound off and on, and for comparison an M135i with active sound off which doesn't sound great without it to me at least. These turbocharged engines all need a little help to sound good...That's why I have the opinion that the engine sounds poor overall, great for torque/economy...rock bottom for enjoyment.
335d with and without active sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6cWmqWlDfk#t=108
M135i without active sound https://youtu.be/WyxGyhIobjM
16k miles in from brand new in my Touring. Thoughts:
You don't have to change the springs, it's not a MUST but I would strongly suggest Adaptive Suspension first.
Artificial sound on the inside is actually ok, changes to a slightly more aggressive note in Sport. I quite like it.
Bang for buck and with the tech combined they are actually good value.
Very comfy on long journeys, esp overseas on smooth roads.
It is fast, very fast. I test drove a Macan diesel the other week and it was laughably slow, the 335d would micturate all over it. Even people on the Macan Owners Club forum wish that the diesel had the BMW engine.
Despite its pace and economy it's a bit soulless and lacks emotional involvement.
Creaking door seals are a complete paln in the hoop but they are being replaced under warranty.
Rear reading lights switch on randomly.
Seat back replaced under warranty due to excessive wear (individual leather).
If you option it out don't even think about trading it in 16 months later, you'll weep into your wallet.
I had a moment of frustration with it a little while ago and started looking around for something else. In terms of pace and economy it's quite tricky to equal or better it without digging deep into your pockets, if you're after like for like of course. I looked at a Macan a few weeks ago and I test drove the diesel (crap performance) and a petrol 340bhp. The petrol was much better but I still said to the OPC bloke that it wasn't particularly fast. Fair play to him he acknowledged that the 335d is a bit of monster and that the only way I could truly match it or beat it in terms of outright performance would be with a Macan Turbo and I rather suspect he's right. BIG pennies though.
You don't have to change the springs, it's not a MUST but I would strongly suggest Adaptive Suspension first.
Artificial sound on the inside is actually ok, changes to a slightly more aggressive note in Sport. I quite like it.
Bang for buck and with the tech combined they are actually good value.
Very comfy on long journeys, esp overseas on smooth roads.
It is fast, very fast. I test drove a Macan diesel the other week and it was laughably slow, the 335d would micturate all over it. Even people on the Macan Owners Club forum wish that the diesel had the BMW engine.
Despite its pace and economy it's a bit soulless and lacks emotional involvement.
Creaking door seals are a complete paln in the hoop but they are being replaced under warranty.
Rear reading lights switch on randomly.
Seat back replaced under warranty due to excessive wear (individual leather).
If you option it out don't even think about trading it in 16 months later, you'll weep into your wallet.
I had a moment of frustration with it a little while ago and started looking around for something else. In terms of pace and economy it's quite tricky to equal or better it without digging deep into your pockets, if you're after like for like of course. I looked at a Macan a few weeks ago and I test drove the diesel (crap performance) and a petrol 340bhp. The petrol was much better but I still said to the OPC bloke that it wasn't particularly fast. Fair play to him he acknowledged that the 335d is a bit of monster and that the only way I could truly match it or beat it in terms of outright performance would be with a Macan Turbo and I rather suspect he's right. BIG pennies though.
Edited by Osinjak on Monday 30th January 18:09
Osinjak said:
16k miles in from brand new in my Touring. Thoughts:
You don't have to change the springs, it's not a MUST but I would strongly suggest Adaptive Suspension first.
Artificial sound on the inside is actually ok, changes to a slightly more aggressive note in Sport. I quite like it.
Bang for buck and with the tech combined they are actually good value.
Very comfy on long journeys, esp overseas on smooth roads.
It is fast, very fast. I test drove a Macan diesel the other week and it was laughably slow, the 335d would micturate all over it. Even people on the Macan Owners Club forum wish that the diesel had the BMW engine.
Despite its pace and economy it's a bit soulless and lacks emotional involvement.
Creaking door seals are a complain paln in the hoop but being replaced under warranty.
Rear reading lights switch on randomly.
Seat back replaced under warranty due to excessive wear (individual leather).
If you option it out don't even think about trading it in 16 months later, you'll weep into your wallet.
I had a moment of frustration with it a little while ago and started looking around for something else In terms of pace and economy it's quite tricky to equal or better it without digging deep into your pockets, if you're after like for like of course. I looked at a Macan a few weeks ago and I test drove the diesel (crap performance) and a petrol 340bhp. The petrol was much better but I still said to the OPC bloke that it wasn't particularly fast. Fair play to him he acknowledged that the 335d is a bit of monster and that the only way I could truly match it or beat it in terms of outright performance would be with a Macan Turbo and I rather suspect he's right.
If you're thinking of spending Macan money have a go in the Alpina D3. The ride and performance are in a different league. I am going to be doing a lot of M-way miles over the net couple of years and I've narrowed it down to a 335d, Alpina D3, 640 GC or A7 bi-turbo. The Alpina is my personal favourite, but the lack of discount is an issue for me, I just can't bring myself to pay near the list price for any car, no matter how good. You don't have to change the springs, it's not a MUST but I would strongly suggest Adaptive Suspension first.
Artificial sound on the inside is actually ok, changes to a slightly more aggressive note in Sport. I quite like it.
Bang for buck and with the tech combined they are actually good value.
Very comfy on long journeys, esp overseas on smooth roads.
It is fast, very fast. I test drove a Macan diesel the other week and it was laughably slow, the 335d would micturate all over it. Even people on the Macan Owners Club forum wish that the diesel had the BMW engine.
Despite its pace and economy it's a bit soulless and lacks emotional involvement.
Creaking door seals are a complain paln in the hoop but being replaced under warranty.
Rear reading lights switch on randomly.
Seat back replaced under warranty due to excessive wear (individual leather).
If you option it out don't even think about trading it in 16 months later, you'll weep into your wallet.
I had a moment of frustration with it a little while ago and started looking around for something else In terms of pace and economy it's quite tricky to equal or better it without digging deep into your pockets, if you're after like for like of course. I looked at a Macan a few weeks ago and I test drove the diesel (crap performance) and a petrol 340bhp. The petrol was much better but I still said to the OPC bloke that it wasn't particularly fast. Fair play to him he acknowledged that the 335d is a bit of monster and that the only way I could truly match it or beat it in terms of outright performance would be with a Macan Turbo and I rather suspect he's right.
[quote=Osinjak]16k miles in from brand new in my Touring. Thoughts:
Creaking door seals are a complain paln in the hoop but being replaced under warranty.
From BMW I got a tin of some special grease they use , applied this to my creaking seals ( which were really bad ) and never had a problem since - took 2 minutes ( rather than the hassle of dropping the car off etc ) .
Creaking door seals are a complain paln in the hoop but being replaced under warranty.
From BMW I got a tin of some special grease they use , applied this to my creaking seals ( which were really bad ) and never had a problem since - took 2 minutes ( rather than the hassle of dropping the car off etc ) .
ds666 said:
From BMW I got a tin of some special grease they use , applied this to my creaking seals ( which were really bad ) and never had a problem since - took 2 minutes ( rather than the hassle of dropping the car off etc ) .
Was this Carbaflo lubricant? I have heard positive reports about it.I had my seals replaced under warranty and it has been fine since, but it would be nice to know about a good 'out of warranty' solution.
I have the Gummy, it works for a few days but then the creaking comes back so newly designed (apparently) seals it is. Top suggestion about the D3 but to be honest I'd like to get away from BMW and diesels for a while, they're also pretty pricey. Love to drive one though, just to see for myself.
The Porsche question is an interesting one. I'm a bit of a Porsche fan after owning a Boxster many years ago and I'd like to get back in one. Circumstances dictate that it would have to be a Cayenne or a Macan, the former is too big so the Macan it is. The fascinating thing is how many compromises I would have to make in terms of performance and tech, it just doesn't stack up. I specced up an equivalent (option wise) brand new petrol S and it came to about £62k, that's 17k more than my virtually fully optioned BMW. So I went down the used route and they are between 48-53k and drop way short in tech let alone performance. With that price used, there is no RTTI (only introduced early this year anyway), no HUD as Porsche don't do them, no LED lights Xenon only, no towbar, pano roof not guaranteed although most do have them, driver aids such as Sport, Sport Plus and PASM hit and miss and on it goes. Of course one could argue that some of the stuff I've listed is hardly critical and they'd be right but when you consider that you can get get a perfectly capable car such as the 335d with lots of toys that has more performance than you can eat, why bother? Because Porsche innit.
The Porsche question is an interesting one. I'm a bit of a Porsche fan after owning a Boxster many years ago and I'd like to get back in one. Circumstances dictate that it would have to be a Cayenne or a Macan, the former is too big so the Macan it is. The fascinating thing is how many compromises I would have to make in terms of performance and tech, it just doesn't stack up. I specced up an equivalent (option wise) brand new petrol S and it came to about £62k, that's 17k more than my virtually fully optioned BMW. So I went down the used route and they are between 48-53k and drop way short in tech let alone performance. With that price used, there is no RTTI (only introduced early this year anyway), no HUD as Porsche don't do them, no LED lights Xenon only, no towbar, pano roof not guaranteed although most do have them, driver aids such as Sport, Sport Plus and PASM hit and miss and on it goes. Of course one could argue that some of the stuff I've listed is hardly critical and they'd be right but when you consider that you can get get a perfectly capable car such as the 335d with lots of toys that has more performance than you can eat, why bother? Because Porsche innit.
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