640d with any annoying vibration
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Mr2Mike said:
Maybe BMW shouldn't make that that are so ridiculously fussy on the tyres that are fitted.
To be fair there are a number of cars, not just BMW that are highly fussy about tyres (tyre types or running the same brands etc.)In addition, the amount of manufacturers specifying specific tyre "variants" with MO, BMW's Star etc. is growing ever wider.
I've just found this post and I to have been having the same vibrations. I own a 640d 2017 from new with 6500 on the clock. Wheels were painted black by the dealer from new. Not using the motorway very often it took a while for me to feel the vibration.
First time returning back to the dealership I was told rears need balancing which made it worse. Second trip I was told paint was uneven on the backs so weren't fitting flush, cleaned up and told all was fine. Third visit was told I had buckled the off side rear and it wasn't covered by warranty. After several arguments dealer agreed to cover the cost and was assured the vibration was definitely gone. Took the car for test drive with service manager and still vibrating but he couldn't feel anything wrong. They then requested a BMW U.K. Engineer to test drive who admitted there was something wrong. Apparently the tyre had been fitted incorrectly on the new rim. I test drove again still with vibration but not quite as bad. The engineer drove again and said the car in within manufacturing parameters so nothing else would be done. I'm now waiting for bmw uk to agree to an independent engineer to test drive. Seems that reading on here there is definitely a problem but bmw won't admit.
Edited by masa83 on Tuesday 27th June 16:27
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Edited by Lofty3271 on Wednesday 3rd January 17:04
d to fix, but worth it when they were done.Old topic I know but thought I would share my experience of an OCD ddriver. Bought a 14 plate 640D in that awesome Frozen Bronze colour, maintenance of which I soon realised is a different story. No free wash at the dealership but that's probably not a bad thing given all the swirl patterns on the cars on the forecourt. I did say OCD.
The crux of my experience is that British roads are no longer suitable for run flats and especially not on the long nosed shark. They don't take kindly to pot holes, the mildest of encounters with kerbs, or being stood still for long periods. Additionally, pot holes can damage the alloy.
Also, if occasionally you feel like your suspension is banging away and about to fall off, its just
a little stone caught in the tread. Sounds much worse in the extreme cold weather we had in Feb.
All in all, if its not perfectly round on your tyre or alloy, you will feel the 60-80mph vibration. The only cure for which is new front treads at minimum.
I took mine to Kwik Twit a couple of times, who banged on 85g of weights, did a laser alignment to all four wheels (have annoying rear wheel steer too and wish it had an off button). Made no difference.
Dealership was a breath of fresh air, Master Mechanic took it for a run, said yes, its not right, we'll put it on our specialist wheel balancing equipment. Took all the weights off saying manufacturers maximum recommendation was 60g and actually reduced the vibration considerably. But, recommended new tyres to replace my four month old Michelins.
"Officially" recommend non run-flats as the steering geometry is setup for the hard wall tyres, but after some pushing, had known some customers to replace them without too much noticeable difference to handling but don't take it on a track.
Like I'm going to take my easy cruising whale shark on a track day.
Hope thats helpful. Try balance at dealership, fit new run flat tyres/non run-flats. If its still bad, its new rims I'm afraid.
The crux of my experience is that British roads are no longer suitable for run flats and especially not on the long nosed shark. They don't take kindly to pot holes, the mildest of encounters with kerbs, or being stood still for long periods. Additionally, pot holes can damage the alloy.
Also, if occasionally you feel like your suspension is banging away and about to fall off, its just
a little stone caught in the tread. Sounds much worse in the extreme cold weather we had in Feb.
All in all, if its not perfectly round on your tyre or alloy, you will feel the 60-80mph vibration. The only cure for which is new front treads at minimum.
I took mine to Kwik Twit a couple of times, who banged on 85g of weights, did a laser alignment to all four wheels (have annoying rear wheel steer too and wish it had an off button). Made no difference.
Dealership was a breath of fresh air, Master Mechanic took it for a run, said yes, its not right, we'll put it on our specialist wheel balancing equipment. Took all the weights off saying manufacturers maximum recommendation was 60g and actually reduced the vibration considerably. But, recommended new tyres to replace my four month old Michelins.
"Officially" recommend non run-flats as the steering geometry is setup for the hard wall tyres, but after some pushing, had known some customers to replace them without too much noticeable difference to handling but don't take it on a track.
Like I'm going to take my easy cruising whale shark on a track day.
Hope thats helpful. Try balance at dealership, fit new run flat tyres/non run-flats. If its still bad, its new rims I'm afraid.
Don't forget that hunter alignment needs to be done for these cars. It is what BMW recommend, and it is the best alignment you can get for your car anyway. Always trusted it to be good for the wheels on the X5, and luckily it has. No uneven tyre wear etc.
I have a feeling maybe the alignment is out on these cars, not the balancing.
I have a feeling maybe the alignment is out on these cars, not the balancing.
Hi,
Anybody sorted vibration issue on 640d? Any ideas?
Driveshafts replaced, guibo next to the diff replaced (there are two guibos).
Changed tires, new wheels, balanced on hunter but no change.
Vibration on 100-120kmh, especially when release throttle or jently accelerate.
I am thinking about torque converter? Prop shaft balancing?
Anybody sorted vibration issue on 640d? Any ideas?
Driveshafts replaced, guibo next to the diff replaced (there are two guibos).
Changed tires, new wheels, balanced on hunter but no change.
Vibration on 100-120kmh, especially when release throttle or jently accelerate.
I am thinking about torque converter? Prop shaft balancing?
I had a similar issue on my 530d (similar platform), car was fine until I needed to changed tyres. Tyres were changed like for like (star marked Pirelli P-Zero's). After this I started noticing constant vibrations around 65mph-70mph that got worse over a 2k miles then remained constant.
I had the wheels re-balanced numerous times, wheel alignment, brake disc's skimmed etc etc.
I ended up taking the car to a well known specialist who suggested that the wheel nuts were severely over torqued and given the brake discs have aluminium hubs, they had distorted. New discs and pads all around (and wheels nuts tightened to the correct torque)... over the next 10k miles I had the car there were no vibrations, so worth checking this as well.
I had the wheels re-balanced numerous times, wheel alignment, brake disc's skimmed etc etc.
I ended up taking the car to a well known specialist who suggested that the wheel nuts were severely over torqued and given the brake discs have aluminium hubs, they had distorted. New discs and pads all around (and wheels nuts tightened to the correct torque)... over the next 10k miles I had the car there were no vibrations, so worth checking this as well.
MariusR said:
Hi,
Anybody sorted vibration issue on 640d? Any ideas?
Driveshafts replaced, guibo next to the diff replaced (there are two guibos).
Changed tires, new wheels, balanced on hunter but no change.
Vibration on 100-120kmh, especially when release throttle or jently accelerate.
I am thinking about torque converter? Prop shaft balancing?
Giubo... NOT guibo...grrrrh!Anybody sorted vibration issue on 640d? Any ideas?
Driveshafts replaced, guibo next to the diff replaced (there are two guibos).
Changed tires, new wheels, balanced on hunter but no change.
Vibration on 100-120kmh, especially when release throttle or jently accelerate.
I am thinking about torque converter? Prop shaft balancing?
I have the same issue with my owned from new 14 plate 640d - just picked the car up today from service, where it had new dics, pads and wheel balancing on all 4 corners... vibration still there! its so annoying that BMW refuse to acknowledge there is no underlying issue with these cars. I can safely say that the only other cause may be: Buckled wheel/s, propshaft out of balance/guibo worn... not sure what else it could be :-(
Craigburton said:
I have the same issue with my owned from new 14 plate 640d - just picked the car up today from service, where it had new dics, pads and wheel balancing on all 4 corners... vibration still there! its so annoying that BMW refuse to acknowledge there is no underlying issue with these cars. I can safely say that the only other cause may be: Buckled wheel/s, propshaft out of balance/guibo worn... not sure what else it could be :-(
Did it go in with any issues of vibration?Ninja59 said:
Craigburton said:
I have the same issue with my owned from new 14 plate 640d - just picked the car up today from service, where it had new dics, pads and wheel balancing on all 4 corners... vibration still there! its so annoying that BMW refuse to acknowledge there is no underlying issue with these cars. I can safely say that the only other cause may be: Buckled wheel/s, propshaft out of balance/guibo worn... not sure what else it could be :-(
Did it go in with any issues of vibration?Same problem on 2016 F13- vibration 65-80mph over last year.
Had Hunter Road Force alignment and balance, no difference. Car came with 19” RFT, I changed these for 18” with non-RFT Michelin Cross Climate which are more comfortable and well suited to Scottish Weather. Vibration with both.
Took car to dealer today and they tested it at 60-65 finding no vibration. They won’t go further until I put the star marked tyres back on which is annoying as I know it’s not the issue, fairly sure they’ll want to balance the original 19” again when I take it back on Monday. Really annoying as I don’t use these.
Otherwise love the car but minor as the vibration is I’m really wondering if I want to live with this or move on to something else. Although it’s minor the vibration actually make both my partner and myself feel sick on our occasional long runs.
Will see if dealer gets anywhere on Monday, also thinking of one further attempt at Autotec in Greenock who has the full Hunter setup.
This is quite an old thread now- wondering if others got the issue fixed or anyone else has noticed similar.
It is so vague I do find myself and almost road surface related I do wonder if the suspension setup is just a bit skitty!
Had Hunter Road Force alignment and balance, no difference. Car came with 19” RFT, I changed these for 18” with non-RFT Michelin Cross Climate which are more comfortable and well suited to Scottish Weather. Vibration with both.
Took car to dealer today and they tested it at 60-65 finding no vibration. They won’t go further until I put the star marked tyres back on which is annoying as I know it’s not the issue, fairly sure they’ll want to balance the original 19” again when I take it back on Monday. Really annoying as I don’t use these.
Otherwise love the car but minor as the vibration is I’m really wondering if I want to live with this or move on to something else. Although it’s minor the vibration actually make both my partner and myself feel sick on our occasional long runs.
Will see if dealer gets anywhere on Monday, also thinking of one further attempt at Autotec in Greenock who has the full Hunter setup.
This is quite an old thread now- wondering if others got the issue fixed or anyone else has noticed similar.
It is so vague I do find myself and almost road surface related I do wonder if the suspension setup is just a bit skitty!
Same problem on 2016 F13- vibration 65-80mph over last year.
Had Hunter Road Force alignment and balance, no difference. Car came with 19” RFT, I changed these for 18” with non-RFT Michelin Cross Climate which are more comfortable and well suited to Scottish Weather. Vibration with both.
Took car to dealer today and they tested it at 60-65 finding no vibration. They won’t go further until I put the star marked tyres back on which is annoying as I know it’s not the issue, fairly sure they’ll want to balance the original 19” again when I take it back on Monday. Really annoying as I don’t use these.
Otherwise love the car but minor as the vibration is I’m really wondering if I want to live with this or move on to something else. Although it’s minor the vibration actually make both my partner and myself feel sick on our occasional long runs.
Will see if dealer gets anywhere on Monday, also thinking of one further attempt at Autotec in Greenock who has the full Hunter setup.
This is quite an old thread now- wondering if others got the issue fixed or anyone else has noticed similar.
It is so vague I do find myself wondering if it’s road surface related and the suspension setup is just a bit skitty!
Had Hunter Road Force alignment and balance, no difference. Car came with 19” RFT, I changed these for 18” with non-RFT Michelin Cross Climate which are more comfortable and well suited to Scottish Weather. Vibration with both.
Took car to dealer today and they tested it at 60-65 finding no vibration. They won’t go further until I put the star marked tyres back on which is annoying as I know it’s not the issue, fairly sure they’ll want to balance the original 19” again when I take it back on Monday. Really annoying as I don’t use these.
Otherwise love the car but minor as the vibration is I’m really wondering if I want to live with this or move on to something else. Although it’s minor the vibration actually make both my partner and myself feel sick on our occasional long runs.
Will see if dealer gets anywhere on Monday, also thinking of one further attempt at Autotec in Greenock who has the full Hunter setup.
This is quite an old thread now- wondering if others got the issue fixed or anyone else has noticed similar.
It is so vague I do find myself wondering if it’s road surface related and the suspension setup is just a bit skitty!
If you wheel alignment is ok I would go back to basics. Have the wheels balanced and visually (personally) inspect both the wheel and the tyre - and together as a unit, as it spins, for physical imbalance. If the balancing machine has a deep wheel cover than squatting helps! Also if the garage is not well lit having own portable lamp and shedding some light on the tyre helps immensely (ask me how I know...) Weight-wise the tyre maybe 0-0 but any physical deformation will cause vibration. Hence visual inspection.
Both wheels and tyres tend to be a bit off either straight from the (poor) factory (such as Maserati! - shocking) or with time due to inevitable road bumps or bad surface, so the trick is in turning the tyre on the rim until they cancel each other's deformation out - unless excessive in that case have the wheel straightened/tyre swapped and start again. Also it is important to make sure tyre sits correctly on the rim.
As to the weights it must be 0-0 (have him run with weights on as opposed to only njim putting the weights where the machine says and assuming all is ok). Don't let them tell you that 5 grams off is ok. For VW yes but BMW surely not.
Both wheels and tyres tend to be a bit off either straight from the (poor) factory (such as Maserati! - shocking) or with time due to inevitable road bumps or bad surface, so the trick is in turning the tyre on the rim until they cancel each other's deformation out - unless excessive in that case have the wheel straightened/tyre swapped and start again. Also it is important to make sure tyre sits correctly on the rim.
As to the weights it must be 0-0 (have him run with weights on as opposed to only njim putting the weights where the machine says and assuming all is ok). Don't let them tell you that 5 grams off is ok. For VW yes but BMW surely not.
Edited by naturalaspiration on Friday 15th March 19:27
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