Would you still buy a diesel BMW?
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That's why I bought myself a very nice F11 535d.
Bloody quick at 0-100km/h in 5.4s
In gear is rather silly the way 2 tons can fling itself at the horizon
Clean as it's Euro 6.
They have been looking very closely at other manufacturers since VW and BMW is one of the cleanest.
As for those who believe going petrol is the way forward there is a measurable amount of particulates produced by DI petrol engines as a fully homogenous mixture isn't achievable with DI petrol, this is why Toyota have port injection and DI on some of their petrol engines...
PPF anyone?
Bloody quick at 0-100km/h in 5.4s
In gear is rather silly the way 2 tons can fling itself at the horizon
Clean as it's Euro 6.
They have been looking very closely at other manufacturers since VW and BMW is one of the cleanest.
As for those who believe going petrol is the way forward there is a measurable amount of particulates produced by DI petrol engines as a fully homogenous mixture isn't achievable with DI petrol, this is why Toyota have port injection and DI on some of their petrol engines...
PPF anyone?
easy_rider33 said:
From a hack round the m25 up the M1 just north of Sheffield starting in rush hour.
I have the 435i. Smooth power delivery and economical too. Why anyone who isn't bound by a company car or needs a 4x4 to get about would buy a 330d or the like is beyond me.
I don't know how you've managed to do that average speed but I'd suggest it's grossly untypical, so perhaps the mpg figure is too? I think you've done incredibly well to have done that average speed, but can you repeat it?
We occasionally have to travel from Sutton Coldfield to Ashford, Kent on Friday evenings, and it's a hell of a journey. We normally have to start in rush hour too, but it's stop-start pretty much all the way, unless we use WAZE which will take us off the motorway. We normally give up and go for a meal en route.
We have to do this journey next Friday but we have to start from Worcestershire. I'll book a meal in Beaconsfield 'cos I know the M25 will be stationary. In short, a typical time for our 200 miles is something like 6 hours.
If 59mph was typical of our worst m'ways at rush hour there'd have been no smart m'ways, i reckon, whereas in reality here near us we've had them on the M42 for over 10 years now.
Does your clock not suggest you finished the journey at start of rush hour? Either way, I still reckon it's an incredible journey time and I can't help thinking it'd be a one off.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 26th April 08:05
To be fair I have got 42mpg out of my M235i Auto on motorways / dual carriageways & my record is 38mpg driving from Suffolk to Norfolk coast (single carriage roads with the odd town to drive through).
both cases involved me using the cars cruise control.
Normally my M235i is running between 30-35mpg on my commute to work, which is single carriage with 2 small towns to drive through.
both cases involved me using the cars cruise control.
Normally my M235i is running between 30-35mpg on my commute to work, which is single carriage with 2 small towns to drive through.
Edited by Tomy90 on Wednesday 26th April 08:34
easy_rider33 said:
From a hack round the m25 up the M1 just north of Sheffield starting in rush hour.
I have the 435i. Smooth power delivery and economical too. Why anyone who isn't bound by a company car or needs a 4x4 to get about would buy a 330d or the like is beyond me.
I can transport my children, dog, 4 bikes and a roof box with ease and in loads of comfort - an utterly brilliant machine and quite fast when you need it to be
Not bad economy for a 2.5T barge either
It's Euro 6 compliant and I'm very happy with my decision
Huskyman said:
That's why I bought myself a very nice F11 535d.
Bloody quick at 0-100km/h in 5.4s
In gear is rather silly the way 2 tons can fling itself at the horizon
Clean as it's Euro 6.
They have been looking very closely at other manufacturers since VW and BMW is one of the cleanest.
As for those who believe going petrol is the way forward there is a measurable amount of particulates produced by DI petrol engines as a fully homogenous mixture isn't achievable with DI petrol, this is why Toyota have port injection and DI on some of their petrol engines...
PPF anyone?
For me the bottom is the problem here (and what most people have missed when diesel bashing) most of the modern petrols using DI produce particulates that are smaller than particulates from diesels (therefore harder to filter and more dangerous to humans). Why else would there be Euro limits for petrol particulate emissions as well as diesel now?Bloody quick at 0-100km/h in 5.4s
In gear is rather silly the way 2 tons can fling itself at the horizon
Clean as it's Euro 6.
They have been looking very closely at other manufacturers since VW and BMW is one of the cleanest.
As for those who believe going petrol is the way forward there is a measurable amount of particulates produced by DI petrol engines as a fully homogenous mixture isn't achievable with DI petrol, this is why Toyota have port injection and DI on some of their petrol engines...
PPF anyone?
As early as 2012 there were concerns and research on GDI engines producing particulates.Incorrect targeting of the injectors contributed mostly to them, granted since then there has been better targeting to reduce them, but they do still produce particulates. Either way diesels or DI petrols end up producing them and hence why VW (after the whole of dieselgate) will be putting PPF's on petrols! (they have integrated DI and port injection in some engine designations as well mind).
Furthermore, to add so many news sources frankly lied about what the WHO said diesel emissions produce cancer, no particulates do. Furthermore, although the research at the time on DI was far limited than it is now.
Ahbefive said:
Anyway it's not too late to cash out before they are worthless. The real horrible git is the selfish diesel drivers (such as yourself) that put their pocket way above peoples health. A petrol isn't ideal but is way better for air quality and peoples lungs than s
tty diesel engines.
As for this I suggest you look into the modern petrol engine issues surrounding DI particulate emissions!...most of the new line of engines have been converted DI to increase MPG and reduce emissions.tty diesel engines.Ahbefive said:
Anyway it's not too late to cash out before they are worthless. The real horrible git is the selfish diesel drivers (such as yourself) that put their pocket way above peoples health. A petrol isn't ideal but is way better for air quality and peoples lungs than stty diesel engines.
Blimey. What does that say about us who choose to drive for pleasure? (Or who fly to foreign parts, or go on cruises...)tty diesel engines.heebeegeetee said:
Ahbefive said:
Anyway it's not too late to cash out before they are worthless. The real horrible git is the selfish diesel drivers (such as yourself) that put their pocket way above peoples health. A petrol isn't ideal but is way better for air quality and peoples lungs than stty diesel engines.
Blimey. What does that say about us who choose to drive for pleasure? (Or who fly to foreign parts, or go on cruises...)tty diesel engines.
bad company said:
heebeegeetee said:
Blimey. What does that say about us who choose to drive for pleasure? (Or who fly to foreign parts, or go on cruises...)
I do all of those things, must make me a right selfish git. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
HoHoHo said:
I live in the sticks and have a 4x4 - in fact it's a new BMW X5 M50D.
I can transport my children, dog, 4 bikes and a roof box with ease and in loads of comfort - an utterly brilliant machine and quite fast when you need it to be
Not bad economy for a 2.5T barge either
It's Euro 6 compliant and I'm very happy with my decision
Actually that's really good! My experience with the Discovery 4 when I used one was 24 mpg on a trip to Cardiff and back!I can transport my children, dog, 4 bikes and a roof box with ease and in loads of comfort - an utterly brilliant machine and quite fast when you need it to be
Not bad economy for a 2.5T barge either
It's Euro 6 compliant and I'm very happy with my decision
Long term mpg in the 435i is 30.4mpg over 21k miles and I do drive it like I stole it when I get a clear moment on the back roads.
heebeegeetee said:
Well, that average speed for that journey at that time is absolutely incredible. The avearge speed of the M25 is just that, about 25mph http://www.kentlive.news/this-is-the-shocking-aver...
I don't know how you've managed to do that average speed but I'd suggest it's grossly untypical, so perhaps the mpg figure is too? I think you've done incredibly well to have done that average speed, but can you repeat it?
We occasionally have to travel from Sutton Coldfield to Ashford, Kent on Friday evenings, and it's a hell of a journey. We normally have to start in rush hour too, but it's stop-start pretty much all the way, unless we use WAZE which will take us off the motorway. We normally give up and go for a meal en route.
We have to do this journey next Friday but we have to start from Worcestershire. I'll book a meal in Beaconsfield 'cos I know the M25 will be stationary. In short, a typical time for our 200 miles is something like 6 hours.
If 59mph was typical of our worst m'ways at rush hour there'd have been no smart m'ways, i reckon, whereas in reality here near us we've had them on the M42 for over 10 years now.
Does your clock not suggest you finished the journey at start of rush hour? Either way, I still reckon it's an incredible journey time and I can't help thinking it'd be a one off.
I do that trip often to and from Guildford and usually get 38mpg. This was a one off; why I photoed it on the drive at home. I kept the speed about 70. If I go 80+ it drops off to about 35 on a motorway run. I don't know how you've managed to do that average speed but I'd suggest it's grossly untypical, so perhaps the mpg figure is too? I think you've done incredibly well to have done that average speed, but can you repeat it?
We occasionally have to travel from Sutton Coldfield to Ashford, Kent on Friday evenings, and it's a hell of a journey. We normally have to start in rush hour too, but it's stop-start pretty much all the way, unless we use WAZE which will take us off the motorway. We normally give up and go for a meal en route.
We have to do this journey next Friday but we have to start from Worcestershire. I'll book a meal in Beaconsfield 'cos I know the M25 will be stationary. In short, a typical time for our 200 miles is something like 6 hours.
If 59mph was typical of our worst m'ways at rush hour there'd have been no smart m'ways, i reckon, whereas in reality here near us we've had them on the M42 for over 10 years now.
Does your clock not suggest you finished the journey at start of rush hour? Either way, I still reckon it's an incredible journey time and I can't help thinking it'd be a one off.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 26th April 08:05
easy_rider33 said:
HoHoHo said:
I live in the sticks and have a 4x4 - in fact it's a new BMW X5 M50D.
I can transport my children, dog, 4 bikes and a roof box with ease and in loads of comfort - an utterly brilliant machine and quite fast when you need it to be
Not bad economy for a 2.5T barge either
It's Euro 6 compliant and I'm very happy with my decision
Actually that's really good! My experience with the Discovery 4 when I used one was 24 mpg on a trip to Cardiff and back!I can transport my children, dog, 4 bikes and a roof box with ease and in loads of comfort - an utterly brilliant machine and quite fast when you need it to be
Not bad economy for a 2.5T barge either
It's Euro 6 compliant and I'm very happy with my decision
Long term mpg in the 435i is 30.4mpg over 21k miles and I do drive it like I stole it when I get a clear moment on the back roads.
Personally a 386bhp 650nm 6 cylinder treble turbo charged diesel engine suits the car and me just fine
First long run for the F11 535d and its doing about 10mpg more than the last E61 one. Pretty impressed with 50mpg Cardiff to London (let alone my ability to keep my foot away from the torque - although it was a tangled up, constantly lane swopping, 60-70mph messy-fest at times).
That Stop/Start really came into its own in London and engine must have been off 40% of the time - IMAGINE if they applied that to heavy polluters like buses/lorries...
- although it was a tangled up, constantly lane swopping, 60-70mph messy-fest at times). That Stop/Start really came into its own in London and engine must have been off 40% of the time - IMAGINE if they applied that to heavy polluters like buses/lorries...
Ahbefive said:
bad company said:
heebeegeetee said:
Blimey. What does that say about us who choose to drive for pleasure? (Or who fly to foreign parts, or go on cruises...)
I do all of those things, must make me a right selfish git. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
For someone who seems to be trying to play the "anti pollution" stance so heavily with diesels , you dont have a particularly environmentally friendly outlook?
I am all for reducing pollution, however i personally dont see any measures being proposed to "resolve" inner city pollution that arent thinly veiled revenue generators.
Edited by daemon on Thursday 27th April 12:41
Ahbefive said:
1. The fuel burnt 30000ft in the air is not getting into your lungs like the soot chucked directly at you inn a town center. I'm sure you guys can work out how much more it is dispersed by the volume of that much air.
2. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so.
3. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
1. You don't know what's getting into your lungs, I'd suggest you don't know at all, yoy have no idea what is in and nor where it came from. Pollution can travel log distances.2. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so.
3. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
2. There is an option to not do so, yes. But an environmentally friendly way to fly? Airliners weighing up to a good 2-300 tonnes, from standstill to airborne will use what, a couple of tonnes of fuel? One taking off every minute possibly at Heathrow, and one landing evey minute too. That is an enormous amount of emissions, and where, (including the aircraft flying overhead at 30,000 ft) do you think it all goes? Up?
3. It's not about 'sticking up for diesel', it's about the rhetoric being used, and I must say that's a choice bit of languiage you've used there: "despite the obvious damage it causes" .
How far do you go with that statement? How do we justify, say, motoring enthusiasm, when we all know "the obvious damage it causes"?
How do we justify a BMW 330 be it i or d? A family and it's luggage can easily be moved by a car with 100-150bhp so how do we justify more? How do we justify pleasure driving at all, or Motorsport in any form?
Do a bit of research on brake and tyre particulate - the faster the car the bigger brakes and tyres it needs and thus the more particulate, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever beyond personal preference, and yet we put up with "the obvious damage it causes" - but how long will be allowed to?
You need to be very careful indeed with what you wish for, my friend. If you truly believe that the UK has a problem because it used the same cars as Europe, and if you truly believe that any great restriction on the use of diesel cars will a) make any meaningful difference to our lives, and b) will cause the politicians to then lay off, you are very naieve indeed, imo.
I've been looking at buying a new car for a while, leaning towards an SUV for no reason, the diesel/petrol thing is a massive problem there, if a petrol is offered it a big performance thing aimed at giving zero fks to mpg and everything else is based on diesel going up to similarly massive "high performance" diesel units, I looked at merc, range rover, jag and the rest of the luxo land barge brigade, its the same with all of them, so in the end I decided that diesel is the next time bomb on the horizon (unles trump has his way and we all die in the nuclear fire) and avoided it.
Bought a petrol hybrid 330e, I think diesel is going to become very unpopular very soon.
ks to mpg and everything else is based on diesel going up to similarly massive "high performance" diesel units, I looked at merc, range rover, jag and the rest of the luxo land barge brigade, its the same with all of them, so in the end I decided that diesel is the next time bomb on the horizon (unles trump has his way and we all die in the nuclear fire) and avoided it.Bought a petrol hybrid 330e, I think diesel is going to become very unpopular very soon.
heebeegeetee said:
Ahbefive said:
1. The fuel burnt 30000ft in the air is not getting into your lungs like the soot chucked directly at you inn a town center. I'm sure you guys can work out how much more it is dispersed by the volume of that much air.
2. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so.
3. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
1. You don't know what's getting into your lungs, I'd suggest you don't know at all, yoy have no idea what is in and nor where it came from. Pollution can travel log distances.2. I'd also think that many people would fly in a more environmentally way if there was an option to do so.
3. Yes I know you are just being facecious as some people will stick up for diesel despite the obvious damage it causes.
2. There is an option to not do so, yes. But an environmentally friendly way to fly? Airliners weighing up to a good 2-300 tonnes, from standstill to airborne will use what, a couple of tonnes of fuel? One taking off every minute possibly at Heathrow, and one landing evey minute too. That is an enormous amount of emissions, and where, (including the aircraft flying overhead at 30,000 ft) do you think it all goes? Up?
3. It's not about 'sticking up for diesel', it's about the rhetoric being used, and I must say that's a choice bit of languiage you've used there: "despite the obvious damage it causes" .
How far do you go with that statement? How do we justify, say, motoring enthusiasm, when we all know "the obvious damage it causes"?
How do we justify a BMW 330 be it i or d? A family and it's luggage can easily be moved by a car with 100-150bhp so how do we justify more? How do we justify pleasure driving at all, or Motorsport in any form?
Do a bit of research on brake and tyre particulate - the faster the car the bigger brakes and tyres it needs and thus the more particulate, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever beyond personal preference, and yet we put up with "the obvious damage it causes" - but how long will be allowed to?
You need to be very careful indeed with what you wish for, my friend. If you truly believe that the UK has a problem because it used the same cars as Europe, and if you truly believe that any great restriction on the use of diesel cars will a) make any meaningful difference to our lives, and b) will cause the politicians to then lay off, you are very naieve indeed, imo.
Very well said!
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