130i........doesn't feel as fast as it should?
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Ahbefive said:
I have had a friends 130i against a WRX and even as standard the WRX was faster in every test, this was a classic though so a fair bit lighter than a newage. Indeed a bit more power makes all the difference but the 130i is nowhere near as tuneable.
Yeah, mine was a new age porker. 218bhp at 1500kg (ish) makes things difficult. There is next to no tuning potential in the 130i for obvious reasons. I still don't think there is much in it between the two at high speed.
As an update I drove my friends MK 5 GTI tonight. It has a stage 1 remap to about 255 bhp, uprated suspension, performance exhaust, 18 inch wheels and S3 brakes! I had previously discounted GTI's as I didn't want front wheel drive but it has a lot going for it! the torque from the engine was amazing and it felt very fast (way faster than the 130i and nearly as fast as my mapped WRX) and the ride was very very good (so much better than M sport!), steering was great and handling really good! Also he has got 44 mpg from it on a steady run!!!!
back to the drawing board I think!
Cheers Paul
back to the drawing board I think!
Cheers Paul
I had a Leon FR (exactly the same car as a mk5 Gti). It had been mapped to about 240hp and 260lbft and was really quick. But..... It got quite dull once I was used to the poke. The noise is unremarkable, OK for a 4 pot, but nothing like a 6. Handeling was easy and composed, but not really thrilling unless really pushing hard, which would place you in licence losing territory quickly.
Overall it they are great cars and really quick (even the little k03 turbo ones), but I would absolutely take the hit on midrange punch and go for the 130i.
Overall it they are great cars and really quick (even the little k03 turbo ones), but I would absolutely take the hit on midrange punch and go for the 130i.
paul n said:
In another twist my other friend has just said he will sell me his M135i at a very good price as he has a new S3 coming! maybe the best of both worlds but would be all the money I own into a car!!
hard this car buying malarkey! ha ha
Just get the M135i - 3 litre 6 with turbo must surely be a better starting point than all those 2 litre 4 cylinder turbos?hard this car buying malarkey! ha ha
It might swallow your budget, but you only live once and in my experience you tend to only regret what you didn't do - what you have done is an experience!
I'd get the M135i as it is the "next level" of performance and from what I've read here the outright performance is important to you.
I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
Smuler said:
I'd get the M135i as it is the "next level" of performance and from what I've read here the outright performance is important to you.
I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
Cheers! Very useful. I think the appeal of the turbo cars is the low down torque for overtaking rather than overall outright performance. I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
I am very tempted to just blow the lot and get the 135i! It was the only car I have driven in a while that I got out of buzzing!
What's the depreciation on these going to be like from now on? They have lost a lot in the last 3 years but I imagine they might slow down now? Maybe 1k a year loss?
paul n said:
As an update I drove my friends MK 5 GTI tonight. It has a stage 1 remap to about 255 bhp, uprated suspension, performance exhaust, 18 inch wheels and S3 brakes! I had previously discounted GTI's as I didn't want front wheel drive but it has a lot going for it! the torque from the engine was amazing and it felt very fast (way faster than the 130i and nearly as fast as my mapped WRX) and the ride was very very good (so much better than M sport!), steering was great and handling really good! Also he has got 44 mpg from it on a steady run!!!!
back to the drawing board I think!
Cheers Paul
Sounds like a) the 130i isn't for you and b) if the Golf is way faster than the 130i but not as fast as your WRX then you own an exocet.back to the drawing board I think!
Cheers Paul
selym said:
Sounds like a) the 130i isn't for you and b) if the Golf is way faster than the 130i but not as fast as your WRX then you own an exocet.
I don't have the wrx anymore I have a forester xt right now (230 bhp) which feels pretty slow (compared to the others) and handles like boat. I think the common theam with the wrx and the golf is that they are bother remapped so maybe the otomised map is what makes the differnce! The wrx without the map was average but it flew after it! The appeal of the M135i is also that it will go to 370 ish bhp on a stage 1 map! Although I don't know if it needs any more power but mapped cars do seem to drive a lot better! The golf's remapped engine is a marvel compared to standard
VerySideways said:
BMW offer an "M Performance exhaust" for the M2 which sounds great.
Having said that, it's very easy to make the E92 M3 sound superb for minimal outlay...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpwlKiB9wM
That certainly gives it a better noise for sure. Having said that, it's very easy to make the E92 M3 sound superb for minimal outlay...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpwlKiB9wM
Smuler said:
I'd get the M135i as it is the "next level" of performance and from what I've read here the outright performance is important to you.
I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
You should try them as the three cars you mention are pretty different.I drove one back in 2013 on an "event day" and sound and performance I really liked. I was less impressed with the steering feel tho, so there's an argument that if you could manage a coupe that the 135i coupe might be the true best of both worlds scenarios.
Here's some comments on the 130 to M135 experience
http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41931
I've owned all three.
The most fun car was probably the 130 although mine did have quite a few mods like the LSD and M3 suspension bits. The throttle response was better than the turbo cars by miles which makes sliding it out of roundabouts etc much much easier and more satisfying.
The M135i was quick and refined and felt bigger than the 130 or 135i. The ride is miles better. It's not nearly so easy to slide around though. The Auto box is superb though .
The 135i coupe is much firmer riding compared to the M135i but not as hard as the 130. Again it feels smaller than the M135i. Performance wise my 135i coupe is standard but doesn't feel as quick as the m135i especially with the 8 speed auto which really cracks through the gears.
Comparing with anything VAG all three have much more options in the handling department. They may not be quicker or even corner as hard but they are more interesting to drive and better balanced and the 6 cylinders make a (albeit quiet!) nicer noise.
I think an R32 would be quite a good compromise? Not massively quick though.
rm163603 said:
You should try them as the three cars you mention are pretty different.
I've owned all three.
The most fun car was probably the 130 although mine did have quite a few mods like the LSD and M3 suspension bits. The throttle response was better than the turbo cars by miles which makes sliding it out of roundabouts etc much much easier and more satisfying.
The M135i was quick and refined and felt bigger than the 130 or 135i. The ride is miles better. It's not nearly so easy to slide around though. The Auto box is superb though .
The 135i coupe is much firmer riding compared to the M135i but not as hard as the 130. Again it feels smaller than the M135i. Performance wise my 135i coupe is standard but doesn't feel as quick as the m135i especially with the 8 speed auto which really cracks through the gears.
Comparing with anything VAG all three have much more options in the handling department. They may not be quicker or even corner as hard but they are more interesting to drive and better balanced and the 6 cylinders make a (albeit quiet!) nicer noise.
I think an R32 would be quite a good compromise? Not massively quick though.
the coupe is out as I need a hatch for space/ kit/ baby/ bikes. also i hear there can be problems with that version of the engine? I've owned all three.
The most fun car was probably the 130 although mine did have quite a few mods like the LSD and M3 suspension bits. The throttle response was better than the turbo cars by miles which makes sliding it out of roundabouts etc much much easier and more satisfying.
The M135i was quick and refined and felt bigger than the 130 or 135i. The ride is miles better. It's not nearly so easy to slide around though. The Auto box is superb though .
The 135i coupe is much firmer riding compared to the M135i but not as hard as the 130. Again it feels smaller than the M135i. Performance wise my 135i coupe is standard but doesn't feel as quick as the m135i especially with the 8 speed auto which really cracks through the gears.
Comparing with anything VAG all three have much more options in the handling department. They may not be quicker or even corner as hard but they are more interesting to drive and better balanced and the 6 cylinders make a (albeit quiet!) nicer noise.
I think an R32 would be quite a good compromise? Not massively quick though.
R32 i have never been in one so worth a look but currently put off by high tax and worse mpg. like the 4 wheels drive thou so maybe it would be worth it!
If i can make the numbers work on the M135i then I will go for that!
anybody have any opinions on expected depreciation over the next couple of years? will the bottom out? (i know it sort of guesswork!)
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
paul n said:
the coupe is out as I need a hatch for space/ kit/ baby/ bikes. also i hear there can be problems with that version of the engine?
R32 i have never been in one so worth a look but currently put off by high tax and worse mpg. like the 4 wheels drive thou so maybe it would be worth it!
If i can make the numbers work on the M135i then I will go for that!
anybody have any opinions on expected depreciation over the next couple of years? will the bottom out? (i know it sort of guesswork!)
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
The N52 (the 130 engine) is definitely more reliable than the N54 (twin turbo 135i coupe) engine.R32 i have never been in one so worth a look but currently put off by high tax and worse mpg. like the 4 wheels drive thou so maybe it would be worth it!
If i can make the numbers work on the M135i then I will go for that!
anybody have any opinions on expected depreciation over the next couple of years? will the bottom out? (i know it sort of guesswork!)
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
rm163603 said:
The N52 (the 130 engine) is definitely more reliable than the N54 (twin turbo 135i coupe) engine.
No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
the car I am looking at is a black 2012 3 door manual with heated seats sat nav etc. very low miles at 20k and I would only be putting about 7k a year on it so thinking keep it for 2 years I shouldn't lose much as it will still be pretty low miles! No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
There seems to be quite a lot of them out there around 16K which seems quite reasonable. I'm guessing they will drop down to around 10K in the next few years and then probably drop very slowly from there.
any body know if that is a desirable spec? I prefer a manual but everybody seems to be going for the auto and flappy paddles these days!
paul n said:
Glad it wasn't just me thinking the ride was really bad as standard!
The way M135i prices are going it won't be long before they come into my rice range so maybe the 130i as a stop gap and see how it goes!
123d at 280bhp sounds good!
That's because his is an auto....The way M135i prices are going it won't be long before they come into my rice range so maybe the 130i as a stop gap and see how it goes!
123d at 280bhp sounds good!
If you want a manual - stay clear of the 123d as the gearing is bloody awful.
A 130i as a stop gap isn't a bad idea, as long as its not a rough one, 130i prices are pretty flat, so you shouldn't loose out too match (if anything) when changing due to the limited amount of 130i about (only about 1300 ever sold in UK)
rm163603 said:
paul n said:
the coupe is out as I need a hatch for space/ kit/ baby/ bikes. also i hear there can be problems with that version of the engine?
R32 i have never been in one so worth a look but currently put off by high tax and worse mpg. like the 4 wheels drive thou so maybe it would be worth it!
If i can make the numbers work on the M135i then I will go for that!
anybody have any opinions on expected depreciation over the next couple of years? will the bottom out? (i know it sort of guesswork!)
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
The N52 (the 130 engine) is definitely more reliable than the N54 (twin turbo 135i coupe) engine.R32 i have never been in one so worth a look but currently put off by high tax and worse mpg. like the 4 wheels drive thou so maybe it would be worth it!
If i can make the numbers work on the M135i then I will go for that!
anybody have any opinions on expected depreciation over the next couple of years? will the bottom out? (i know it sort of guesswork!)
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
No turbos and no high pressure fuel pump to go wrong.
Depreciation wise that's a bit of a crap shoot to be honest! Who knows.
If the 135i coupe is anything to go by though the values have been pretty strong although there were a lot of M135is taken on lease deals 2/3 years ago so you may find a lot of them come to the market at once.
However, as you need a hatch they are out of the equation.
Also as regards prices, the 130i and the 135i coupe have strong residuals as there is a limited supply, with only around 1200-1300 of each sold in the UK.
The M135i by contrast due to large incentives etc., have sold in far greater numbers. BMW sold as many M135i in the first 18 months they were on sale as they did 135i coupe's in the whole 6 years they were on sale between 07-13...!!
As such, and the fact that the M140i is still on sale, expect values to continue to drop accordingly, and don't use the E-series 130i/135i as a comparison.
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