Anyone else's X3 sh1t in the snow???
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prand said:
Interesting you say that. I've got out of the car (on winters) and fallen flat on my arse as the car park was so icy. Hadn't realised it was so slippery as the car was behaving so well.
Oh I am not saying they won't "grip" they definitely will (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s) illustrates the difference nicely.But, in comparison with fresh snow, wet surface then they will be no where near as effective as say a studded tyre which can of course claw into the ice.
The video above does make it very clear though that they will be much better than the other potential choices. Having driven mine deliberately on to some ice, it did grip, but slowing was very interesting even at slow speeds.
PinkFatBunny said:
Got an X3 35d with the MSport 21" and it is utter s
t in the snow. Struggles for grip all the time. Pretty sure my M4 grips better!
I assume its the low profile tyres and not the xDrive?
Yep.t in the snow. Struggles for grip all the time. Pretty sure my M4 grips better!I assume its the low profile tyres and not the xDrive?
Silly 21" rims and silly tyres will get you no where....and not stop/steer.
When I ordered my X5 a year ago, the dealer was bemused that I didn't want to order the almost default fashion statement M-Sport.....especially as 20" rims had just been made standard.
He couldn't grasp it when I said, I don't want to have to have an additional set of huge rims with winters tyres and have to swap anymore, so that's why I'm ordering a SE and speccing the no-cost option all season tyres on the non-staggered 19" rims for it. Those combined with the X-drive should be OK for 95% of UK weather.
And I've been right so far.
Ninja59 said:
But, a scorpion is an all season tyre it in no way is a Summer tyre. Strap a UHP Summer Tyre and it will be just as bad as all the others. All the gadgets and engineering in the world won't change a tyre with no grip.
Also I do not believe *all* LR's come with all season tyres, if anything in a majority they appear to come just like the others with a Summer tyre.
The only reason this country is flooded with the SUV is the higher driving position and illusion of the extra "safety" given by them.
I do agree you need some basic level of mechanical grip for all the clever engineering to work as demonstrated by the video above (there are many more of stuck X5s and X3s by the way).Also I do not believe *all* LR's come with all season tyres, if anything in a majority they appear to come just like the others with a Summer tyre.
The only reason this country is flooded with the SUV is the higher driving position and illusion of the extra "safety" given by them.
I’ve just walked parked a row of Range Rovers (ff and sport), and Discovery 4s. All were wearing Scorpons. I think they are OE fitment.
wormus said:
Ninja59 said:
But, a scorpion is an all season tyre it in no way is a Summer tyre. Strap a UHP Summer Tyre and it will be just as bad as all the others. All the gadgets and engineering in the world won't change a tyre with no grip.
Also I do not believe *all* LR's come with all season tyres, if anything in a majority they appear to come just like the others with a Summer tyre.
The only reason this country is flooded with the SUV is the higher driving position and illusion of the extra "safety" given by them.
I do agree you need some basic level of mechanical grip for all the clever engineering to work as demonstrated by the video above (there are many more of stuck X5s and X3s by the way).Also I do not believe *all* LR's come with all season tyres, if anything in a majority they appear to come just like the others with a Summer tyre.
The only reason this country is flooded with the SUV is the higher driving position and illusion of the extra "safety" given by them.
I’ve just walked parked a row of Range Rovers (ff and sport), and Discovery 4s. All were wearing Scorpons. I think they are OE fitment.
Ninja59 said:
Oh I am not saying they won't "grip" they definitely will (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s) illustrates the difference nicely.
But, in comparison with fresh snow, wet surface then they will be no where near as effective as say a studded tyre which can of course claw into the ice.
The video above does make it very clear though that they will be much better than the other potential choices. Having driven mine deliberately on to some ice, it did grip, but slowing was very interesting even at slow speeds.
Yep agreed - I find when it's icy, even on winters I don't drive like I would on dry roads so don't hammer into corners and expect to stop by slamming the brakes on! However they make a hell of a difference.But, in comparison with fresh snow, wet surface then they will be no where near as effective as say a studded tyre which can of course claw into the ice.
The video above does make it very clear though that they will be much better than the other potential choices. Having driven mine deliberately on to some ice, it did grip, but slowing was very interesting even at slow speeds.
wormus said:
I do agree you need some basic level of mechanical grip for all the clever engineering to work as demonstrated by the video above (there are many more of stuck X5s and X3s by the way).
I’ve just walked parked a row of Range Rovers (ff and sport), and Discovery 4s. All were wearing Scorpons. I think they are OE fitment.
Some evoques do not come with them fitted from what I have seen, but I cannot categorically say that is "normal". Simple fact like it or not the tyres are the key tool that can be changed to enhance grip (for whatever movement is needed).I’ve just walked parked a row of Range Rovers (ff and sport), and Discovery 4s. All were wearing Scorpons. I think they are OE fitment.
The fact that BMW/Audi and any other manufacturer fit a Summer tyre as standard is of no real relevance as apples are not being ompared with apples.
Fit an all season or Winter tyre to the other manufacturers then the performance difference would be much smaller. Obviously to a degree though there will still be a slight bias towards whatever the manufacturer sees as the main targets for said vehicle.
These days though it has little to actually do with wanting to be able to go off road and people still seem to stupidly believe that buying the 4WD version will make them safe in all weathers which is total nonsense.
Just before leaving my last job in Winter a colleague asked me why I had changed my wheels (not noticing the tyre difference), I explained, his first question was is my car RWD and I went yes, oh they are dangerous blah blah blah, you need 4WD/AWD for Winter conditions.
The marketing works in making people believe it is the answer to their prayers when in most cases it simply is not. And anyway it seems most of these "AWD" systems are only part time to give lower emissions and better MPG and basically use Haldex in some description or variants there of.
Ninja59 said:
These days though it has little to actually do with wanting to be able to go off road and people still seem to stupidly believe that buying the 4WD version will make them safe in all weathers which is total nonsense.
Vast majority of buyers have little understanding of how things work, and its all about looks and fashion...........see my earlier post regarding when I bought my X5 in 'unfashionable' SE version, rather than the almost default M-Sport version with fashion-victim stupid size staggered summer tyres.aeropilot said:
Vast majority of buyers have little understanding of how things work, and its all about looks and fashion...........see my earlier post regarding when I bought my X5 in 'unfashionable' SE version, rather than the almost default M-Sport version with fashion-victim stupid size staggered summer tyres.
My neighbour has an X5 with 305 rear tyres on 20 inch rims and a 2.0d engine. Says it all really. wormus said:
aeropilot said:
Vast majority of buyers have little understanding of how things work, and its all about looks and fashion...........see my earlier post regarding when I bought my X5 in 'unfashionable' SE version, rather than the almost default M-Sport version with fashion-victim stupid size staggered summer tyres.
My neighbour has an X5 with 305 rear tyres on 20 inch rims and a 2.0d engine. Says it all really. My wife's X1 handled very well in the snow which surprised me a little being "part time" 4WD, but it passed stranded cars, those upside down in hedges (a few of those!) and never lost its footings. That said, driving my son to work on the first snowy day, I advised that 4WD is no better when braking or cornering than 2WD.
The number of 4WD cars haring around was disturbing. I slowed on the A426 as a stranded Passat indicated it was trying to re-join the carriageway. As I stopped to give him time to spin his wheels for a while another car behind me overtook us both at speed on the wrong side of the road. Nutter.
Reminds me of years ago in a queue of traffic when a Land Rover sped up the inside of the queue not realising that he was on a snow covered grass verge... with a ditch. His car gracefully fell over into the ditch on its side. 4WD does not make you a snow god.
The number of 4WD cars haring around was disturbing. I slowed on the A426 as a stranded Passat indicated it was trying to re-join the carriageway. As I stopped to give him time to spin his wheels for a while another car behind me overtook us both at speed on the wrong side of the road. Nutter.
Reminds me of years ago in a queue of traffic when a Land Rover sped up the inside of the queue not realising that he was on a snow covered grass verge... with a ditch. His car gracefully fell over into the ditch on its side. 4WD does not make you a snow god.
DJMC said:
My wife's X1 handled very well in the snow which surprised me a little being "part time" 4WD, but it passed stranded cars, those upside down in hedges (a few of those!) and never lost its footings. That said, driving my son to work on the first snowy day, I advised that 4WD is no better when braking or cornering than 2WD.
The number of 4WD cars haring around was disturbing. I slowed on the A426 as a stranded Passat indicated it was trying to re-join the carriageway. As I stopped to give him time to spin his wheels for a while another car behind me overtook us both at speed on the wrong side of the road. Nutter.
Reminds me of years ago in a queue of traffic when a Land Rover sped up the inside of the queue not realising that he was on a snow covered grass verge... with a ditch. His car gracefully fell over into the ditch on its side. 4WD does not make you a snow god.
When you say "braking" I take it you mean slowing down?The number of 4WD cars haring around was disturbing. I slowed on the A426 as a stranded Passat indicated it was trying to re-join the carriageway. As I stopped to give him time to spin his wheels for a while another car behind me overtook us both at speed on the wrong side of the road. Nutter.
Reminds me of years ago in a queue of traffic when a Land Rover sped up the inside of the queue not realising that he was on a snow covered grass verge... with a ditch. His car gracefully fell over into the ditch on its side. 4WD does not make you a snow god.
Not sure about X3s but my M3 with winter tyres got stuck in hardly any snow.
I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
Wills2 said:
Not sure about X3s but my M3 with winter tyres got stuck in hardly any snow.
I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
Where's all the RWD and winters better than a Rangie now! I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
Granfondo said:
When you say "braking" I take it you mean slowing down?
By braking I mean braking. My aim in snow is never to brake. It makes me keep my distance from the car in front which in turn means I have room to slow down slowly if someone is tailgating me, as is often the case when moving slowly on snowy roads. But, inevitably, I have to brake at some point to come to a complete rest.Why do you make the distinction?
DJMC said:
Granfondo said:
When you say "braking" I take it you mean slowing down?
By braking I mean braking. My aim in snow is never to brake. It makes me keep my distance from the car in front which in turn means I have room to slow down slowly if someone is tailgating me, as is often the case when moving slowly on snowy roads. But, inevitably, I have to brake at some point to come to a complete rest.Why do you make the distinction?
Hill decent control is also handy in 4x4s.
Eddieslofart said:
Did you not read the post 4 up from yours! 
Wills2 said:
Not sure about X3s but my M3 with winter tyres got stuck in hardly any snow.
I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
Ice under the snow? I drove all the way to Sils Maria in my E60 M5 with no trouble whatsoever until the last few metres into the Waldhaus car park, which was a steep rise on which successive cars' passing had produced a smooth surface of ice under the snow. I had to get the hotel's tractor to tow me the last few metres.I had 2" of snow on the drive, reversed back to the position you see below and then it refused to move just sat there spinning its wheels, you can see where I had to scrape the snow away from the drive so I could roll it back and try again.
I've used winter tyres for years and always been impressed but not that time.
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