Buying an X5 50i - advice please
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Hi,
I live in London and just had my X5 40D stolen, so I'm looking to buy a new one for the thieves to take...
I just test drove a fully loaded 2013 X5 new shape 50i car which appeals because of the engine, petrol, no diesel fees etc although obviously higher travel expenses!
Buying from a Landrover dealer. I went through the service menu and 5000 miles late for an oil change, which annoys me. Of course they were defensive etc but only 1 previous owner. They had a print out of the service history which the part exchanger gave them but shows 2 services, one in 2015 which I assume was the first service and then another a year later in 2016 (presumably because it had covered 15000 miles that year). There has been nothing since, hence the 5000 over for the oil. Brake fluid and pads all due this month.
Should I run a mile, or chill out? It has covered 10000 miles since the last service 2 years ago. Will I be covered if I opt to pay £1000 for BMW insured warranty or will they wiggle because the oil service wasn't done properly and logged?
I love the car, its got everything and with 35k on the clock and at £34k, seems like ok value.
Any advice on the car itself, and what to do in light of the oil service, would be much appreciated.
Cheers
I live in London and just had my X5 40D stolen, so I'm looking to buy a new one for the thieves to take...
I just test drove a fully loaded 2013 X5 new shape 50i car which appeals because of the engine, petrol, no diesel fees etc although obviously higher travel expenses!
Buying from a Landrover dealer. I went through the service menu and 5000 miles late for an oil change, which annoys me. Of course they were defensive etc but only 1 previous owner. They had a print out of the service history which the part exchanger gave them but shows 2 services, one in 2015 which I assume was the first service and then another a year later in 2016 (presumably because it had covered 15000 miles that year). There has been nothing since, hence the 5000 over for the oil. Brake fluid and pads all due this month.
Should I run a mile, or chill out? It has covered 10000 miles since the last service 2 years ago. Will I be covered if I opt to pay £1000 for BMW insured warranty or will they wiggle because the oil service wasn't done properly and logged?
I love the car, its got everything and with 35k on the clock and at £34k, seems like ok value.
Any advice on the car itself, and what to do in light of the oil service, would be much appreciated.
Cheers
They’ve come back and confirmed that BMW won’t warranty it because of the 5k miss on service. 2k is their limit.
What would you do in this situation if the car was what you wanted. Am I being paranoid? Just assume other warranty companies will take my premium and then screw me when something goes wrong but perhaps they won’t have any way of knowing the oil service was 5k late / only BMW would?
What would you do in this situation if the car was what you wanted. Am I being paranoid? Just assume other warranty companies will take my premium and then screw me when something goes wrong but perhaps they won’t have any way of knowing the oil service was 5k late / only BMW would?
te. N63tu if you must go for the 4.4 litre. 2013 is around the time they were changing over from the N63 to N63tu, which is much better.Hi,
No comfort access.
The BMW I was looking at was late 2013 and new shape so have to assume it was the TU version but even then it’s supposed to have issues. It looks like the car was serviced every 2 years but I think BMW changed the interval to once a year because of the stem valve issues and definitely needs oil once a year at least. In the case of this car they neglected that point for 5000 miles, so who knows what issues it will suffer moving forward as a result.
I think I will just go for a well specced 2018 30 or 40d or even a 2016 50D which looks nice
No comfort access.
The BMW I was looking at was late 2013 and new shape so have to assume it was the TU version but even then it’s supposed to have issues. It looks like the car was serviced every 2 years but I think BMW changed the interval to once a year because of the stem valve issues and definitely needs oil once a year at least. In the case of this car they neglected that point for 5000 miles, so who knows what issues it will suffer moving forward as a result.
I think I will just go for a well specced 2018 30 or 40d or even a 2016 50D which looks nice
Interesting, one of the first I have heard with a theft without comfort access.
Presumably from the above both keys were in your possession? I cannot think of a way they would relay the signal without CA to manage entry, so it does point to the exterior being forced and possibly a relay box then used or obd port usage.
Presumably from the above both keys were in your possession? I cannot think of a way they would relay the signal without CA to manage entry, so it does point to the exterior being forced and possibly a relay box then used or obd port usage.
Ninja59 said:
Interesting, one of the first I have heard with a theft without comfort access.
Indeed.Somewhat worrying
My insurance on my X5 took a massive hike when renewing this month.........so I'm guessing they are still top (or near top) of the most nicked vehicle lists, and replacing it with another X5 at any point maybe not something I will end up doing if insuring the bloody things become so expensive!!
OP, if you've had one nicked and are undergoing a claim, have you had an insurance quote yet for another one....?
goatherder2001 said:
Okay, but I’m a little bit demanding:
Colour: Black or space grey
Optional extras: heads up, comfort seats, panoramic roof, surround view, winter pack, m sports pack, adaptive suspension,
The M50d's normally have the m-sports pack (special M50d wheels and grilles, with the gunmetal grey mirror caps, as well as standard M-Sport stuff), they normally have the adaptive suspension as well (even on the E70). Winter pack normally means heated seats, not too sure what else it consists of but they may have it. Heads-up is common, as is the comfort seats, on the M50d's. Colour: Black or space grey
Optional extras: heads up, comfort seats, panoramic roof, surround view, winter pack, m sports pack, adaptive suspension,
FYI comfort access or not is substantially irrelevant to the probability of theft, according to police statistics. The majority of stolen cars are dark-coloured, but buying a light-coloured car doesn't make it any less prone to theft. The X5 was the #1 stolen car 2015 and in the top 10 2016, along with the Audi Q7, Range Rover, and Discovery. 2016 was the last year the figures were in the public domain, as the government has since privatised access to the data. 2016 the #1 spot went to the Audi S3/RS3. Aside from the S3, the Top#10 is dominated by the big SUVs.
Cars parked on a drive are 3x more likely to be stolen than if in a garage, all other things being equal. Cars parked randomly on the street are half as likely to be taken than if on the drive.
Most thefts are by professional gangs and taken 'to order' from their criminal buyers. They will have a shopping list of targets and cruise 'round an area looking for cars parked on the drive, or in a marked bay. It's then clear where the keys are stored. They may subcontract the more dangerous part to low-lifes, and this makes it look as if the thefts are opportunistic, but they're not.
Most drive thefts use keys taken from inside the house (police annual reports 2016/17): either forced entry and immediate drive-away or they're taken when owners allow open access (e.g. was that guy who came to read the meter from a real 3rd-party? Have the kids ever left anyone on the doorstep while they came to get you from the back garden? Were all those people coming and going when you had the building work done and the front door open legitimate?) Ideally, the keys are removed, quickly copied and then returned, so you don't suspect. They then return at leisure in the middle of the night and give themselves the maximum time before you get up and realise it's gone.
So obvious steps are 1. Don't get an X5, Q7, Discovery, Range Rover, S3/RS3 or Focus RS2 * 2.If you have a garage, for heaven's sake clear it and put you luxury/performance car/SUV in it 3. If you don't have a garage, park it randomly on the street, not on the drive 4. Treat your keys like your wallet 5. Be suspicious if you can't find a set of keys - find them ASAP 6. Don't let anyone unknown to you into the house and if you have to, escort them the whole time 7. Don't store keys in the hall or where the meters are 8. If you have builders etc. in keep all the keys somewhere away (not because builders are untrustworthy - but because it's so easy for anyone to wander in if they look the part).
[*The BMW 5 Series is also in the Top#10 but this is a bit unfair - for some reason the stats conflate all 5 Series into one category: if they did this with the 'Audi 3' range the RS3 would put the whole category into the top 10. Surprisingly, the BMW 'M' and M Performance models areall slightly lower-than-average probability of theft.]
Cars parked on a drive are 3x more likely to be stolen than if in a garage, all other things being equal. Cars parked randomly on the street are half as likely to be taken than if on the drive.
Most thefts are by professional gangs and taken 'to order' from their criminal buyers. They will have a shopping list of targets and cruise 'round an area looking for cars parked on the drive, or in a marked bay. It's then clear where the keys are stored. They may subcontract the more dangerous part to low-lifes, and this makes it look as if the thefts are opportunistic, but they're not.
Most drive thefts use keys taken from inside the house (police annual reports 2016/17): either forced entry and immediate drive-away or they're taken when owners allow open access (e.g. was that guy who came to read the meter from a real 3rd-party? Have the kids ever left anyone on the doorstep while they came to get you from the back garden? Were all those people coming and going when you had the building work done and the front door open legitimate?) Ideally, the keys are removed, quickly copied and then returned, so you don't suspect. They then return at leisure in the middle of the night and give themselves the maximum time before you get up and realise it's gone.
So obvious steps are 1. Don't get an X5, Q7, Discovery, Range Rover, S3/RS3 or Focus RS2 * 2.If you have a garage, for heaven's sake clear it and put you luxury/performance car/SUV in it 3. If you don't have a garage, park it randomly on the street, not on the drive 4. Treat your keys like your wallet 5. Be suspicious if you can't find a set of keys - find them ASAP 6. Don't let anyone unknown to you into the house and if you have to, escort them the whole time 7. Don't store keys in the hall or where the meters are 8. If you have builders etc. in keep all the keys somewhere away (not because builders are untrustworthy - but because it's so easy for anyone to wander in if they look the part).
[*The BMW 5 Series is also in the Top#10 but this is a bit unfair - for some reason the stats conflate all 5 Series into one category: if they did this with the 'Audi 3' range the RS3 would put the whole category into the top 10. Surprisingly, the BMW 'M' and M Performance models areall slightly lower-than-average probability of theft.]
Edited by msej449 on Monday 24th September 21:52
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