“ Winter is coming “

[Lawrence-gzed9]

I have a set of winter wheels and tyres which fitted my older car, 2017 335d X-drive without the m sport brakes. I now have a 2018 335d X-drive with the sport brakes and 19 inch wheels and was told the winter wheels I have won’t fit.
My winter wheels are 7 1/2 J x 17. ET 37. Tyres 225/50 R17.
I’ve checked all the wheel calculator sites but no mention is made of the larger brakes. Basically do they fit or not? Any help in this much appreciated.

[d_a_n1979]

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I have a set of winter wheels and tyres which fitted my older car, 2017 335d X-drive without the m sport brakes. I now have a 2018 335d X-drive with the sport brakes and 19 inch wheels and was told the winter wheels I have won’t fit.
My winter wheels are 7 1/2 J x 17. ET 37. Tyres 225/50 R17.
I’ve checked all the wheel calculator sites but no mention is made of the larger brakes. Basically do they fit or not? Any help in this much appreciated.

Without sounding obvious/blunt; take one of your usual alloys off and fit one of the winters

If the caliper rubs the inner barrel of the alloy, you know you have fitment issues; if no rubbing/catching on the balance weights etc, then it should be fine

Sometimes it's as simple as fitting a 5mm hubcentric shim spacer to sort clearance

Areas that can rub are the caliper, upright on the tyre edge and arches; so when fitting the 17" alloy, see if it catches those areas

All BMW alloys can be found on here too: http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/

Check your alloys and see what offsets they have; that'll give you some idea too

[Lawrence-gzed9]

I’d hoped not to take off the wheels as I would need to take off two of them as they are staggered. According to the calculator the front is 5.3mm away from the strut and sticks out 7.3mm less. The rear is 22.7 mm away from the strut and sticks out 2.7 mm less. As stated I would rather know if it’s worth my while trying to put them on before I have to. Thanks for your help.

[stuart_83]

I think you need 18" wheels if you've got the larger brakes.

I bought mine from mrwinterwheels and remember having to state it had the bigger brake set - it limited the results to 18" wheels.

[SteBrown91]

I was under the impression that the blue m sport brakes are identical to the standard 6 pot brakes but just painted shiny blue, could be wrong though.

[PSRG]

Worth taking a look here I reckon...

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/topics/owners/accessories...

I’ve got a 235 convertible, which came on a staggered 18” set-up and with the blue brake callipers. There are however a few 17” wheel styles that clear them - I’ve got a set of style 380s with Michelin Crossclimates fitted for winter use

[Lawrence-gzed9]

The main point here is I already have a set of 17” winter wheels which I had hoped to use. Their seems to be quite a bit of confusion with some people saying yes I can and some saying no I can’t.

[PSRG]

I’d take a look at the BMW winter wheel configuration and see if the style of alloys you’ve got are listed as an option!

[Pica-Pica]

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I have a set of winter wheels and tyres which fitted my older car, 2017 335d X-drive without the m sport brakes. I now have a 2018 335d X-drive with the sport brakes and 19 inch wheels and was told the winter wheels I have won’t fit.
My winter wheels are 7 1/2 J x 17. ET 37. Tyres 225/50 R17.
I’ve checked all the wheel calculator sites but no mention is made of the larger brakes. Basically do they fit or not? Any help in this much appreciated.

2018 335d with m sport brakes will only take 18” wheels as the smallest wheel rim diameter. The m sport brakes have a bigger disc diameter. I have a 2016 335d with m sport brakes, and have searched for smaller wheels than the 19”. You can only go down as far as 18” whether a square set up (all wheels the same) or staggered.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Thursday 22 August 23:03

[fttm]

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I’d hoped not to take off the wheels as I would need to take off two of them as they are staggered. According to the calculator the front is 5.3mm away from the strut and sticks out 7.3mm less. The rear is 22.7 mm away from the strut and sticks out 2.7 mm less. As stated I would rather know if it’s worth my while trying to put them on before I have to. Thanks for your help.

Well take two wheels off , it'll be five minutes max and then you'll know the answer .

[Lawrence-gzed9]

Thanks for all the replies, especially pica-pica. I thought they wouldn’t fit because of the larger discs. Looking like I’ll have to sell them. Best place to try and sell them?

[d_a_n1979]

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

Thanks for all the replies, especially pica-pica. I thought they wouldn’t fit because of the larger discs. Looking like I’ll have to sell them. Best place to try and sell them?

On here, eBay, Gumtree, Facebook specific BMW car pages and 5x120 wheel pages (if you're on FB)

[julian64]

fttm said:

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I’d hoped not to take off the wheels as I would need to take off two of them as they are staggered. According to the calculator the front is 5.3mm away from the strut and sticks out 7.3mm less. The rear is 22.7 mm away from the strut and sticks out 2.7 mm less. As stated I would rather know if it’s worth my while trying to put them on before I have to. Thanks for your help.

Well take two wheels off , it'll be five minutes max and then you'll know the answer .

I think someone who has a 2017 335xd and then swaps if for a 2018 335xd is not the sort of person who ever needs to remove a wheel.

[anonymous-user]

julian64 said:

fttm said:

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I’d hoped not to take off the wheels as I would need to take off two of them as they are staggered. According to the calculator the front is 5.3mm away from the strut and sticks out 7.3mm less. The rear is 22.7 mm away from the strut and sticks out 2.7 mm less. As stated I would rather know if it’s worth my while trying to put them on before I have to. Thanks for your help.

Well take two wheels off , it'll be five minutes max and then you'll know the answer .

I think someone who has a 2017 335xd and then swaps if for a 2018 335xd is not the sort of person who ever needs to remove a wheel.

Probably no jack in the car, doesn’t have a proper jack so.......

Begs the question of how he’d get the winter wheels on every year.

[Lawrence-gzed9]

I changed the car from a estate to a saloon mostly to get the upgraded brakes and a better sound system. It worked out cheaper buying another car than putting add ons on. I am 65 with a touch of arthritis and find it difficult to change wheels but manage. I don’t have a jack in the car but do have a trolley jack in my garage. I didn’t realise that so many people knew me as I’ve no idea who they are. Thanks to the people who helped and those who didn’t.

Edited by Lawrence-gzed9 on Friday 23 August 10:13

[rassi]

I have a 335d without the blue sportsbrakes and pretty sure the fronts are the same size.

So if the 17” fitted your previous one, just put one of them on the front as that will be the problem, if any, regardless of staggered setup. Even BMW or a tyre place would not charge more than 10 pounds to whip one off, and a shame to sell some perfectly good wheels if they actually fit.

[anonymous-user]

Lawrence-gzed9 said:

I changed the car from a estate to a saloon mostly to get the upgraded brakes and a better sound system. It worked out cheaper buying another car than putting add ons on. I am 65 with a touch of arthritis and find it difficult to change wheels but manage. I don’t have a jack in the car but do have a trolley jack in my garage. I didn’t realise that so many people knew me as I’ve no idea who they are. Thanks to the people who helped and those who didn’t.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 August 10:13

Now, now!

No need to get touchy! I suffer from
systemic scleroderma In my hands, a touch of arthritis and can give you a few years but I still manage to remove and change my summer/winter tyres every 6 months!

Anyway, if you can operate a keyboard, this is easily found:

BMW - 3 Serie F31 (2012 - )
PCD: 5x120
Center Bore: 72.5
Offset: 34
Mounting: Bolt - 14 x 1,25
Wheel torque: 120 Nm
Possible tire sizes:
205/60R16 225/55R16
225/50R17 255/45R17
225/45R18 255/40R18
225/40R19 255/35R19
225/35R20 255/30R20

You just need to physically check the front brake clearance.

[Pica-Pica]

OP. If you go here
https://shop.bmw.co.uk/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/BMWUK-219...
Put the last 7 digits of your VIN in ‘identify vehicle’ and then search you will see what sizes are suitable. From that you can then select from there, or go elsewhere using the rim diameter, rim width (don’t forget rim shape, especially for run-flats) fixing hole diameter, and offset.
As I said, I checked here and other sources, and am pretty confident that for a post LCI F30/F31 335d with m-sport brake calipers and discs, you need 18” rims or larger.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Friday 23 August 11:34

[Lawrence-gzed9]

Thanks again for the help. I will wait till nearer the winter, icy and six feet of snow, before i try and put the wheels on. If they don’t fit they don’t fit. Cheers.