840i M Sport Lease Deal

[Heres Johnny]

Has anybody had the Tech pack and can comment on the lane keep and active cruise thing? I've been looking at some of the nearly new ones and many have it but they seem to have 2 maybe 3 out of tech pack, prem pack, vis pack and M tech thing and active rear steer. I'm less boithered by the laser lights, and the m tech thing seems to be bigger brakes and the option of M sports seats (which look lovely) but not all cars have them which makes it seem a bit pointless. If you drop the options you can get a new car for the same sort of money as some of these optioned ex BMW cars so just working out if I'd pay good money for something I'd never really use (I've had similar before and active cruise is great on the motorway).

[Funk]

Heres Johnny said:

Has anybody had the Tech pack and can comment on the lane keep and active cruise thing? I've been looking at some of the nearly new ones and many have it but they seem to have 2 maybe 3 out of tech pack, prem pack, vis pack and M tech thing and active rear steer. I'm less boithered by the laser lights, and the m tech thing seems to be bigger brakes and the option of M sports seats (which look lovely) but not all cars have them which makes it seem a bit pointless. If you drop the options you can get a new car for the same sort of money as some of these optioned ex BMW cars so just working out if I'd pay good money for something I'd never really use (I've had similar before and active cruise is great on the motorway).

I'll be honest, the fact that adaptive cruise is missing from a £70k is an utter piss-take in my book. Even my £35k Golf has it. What's worse is that all the stuff is there to make it work already, they've just decided not to include it in order to create a chargeable option.

I can understand coughing up for things that require a physical change eg. pano or carbon roof, better seats, active steering etc but the car will already auto-brake when using cruise but just won't resume the original speed when appropriate - it smacks of cynical nickel-and-diming in my opinion.

And yet stuff like HUD is included as standard! I wonder if there's a way to get the adaptive cruise coded somewhere...

[mackie1]

Adaptive cruise needs the additional sensor in the lower grille so it does require hardware changes. I agree it's a bit of a glaring ommision but then the optional feature goes way beyond just basic adaptive cruise like a Golf Mk7 has.

Edited by mackie1 on Monday 20th July 22:55

[Funk]

mackie1 said:

Adaptive cruise needs the additional sensor in the lower grille so it does require hardware changes. I agree it's a bit glaring ommision but then the optional feature goes way beyond just basic adaptive cruise like a Golf Mk7 has.

What sensor does it need over and above the one it needs for the auto-braking on cruise then...? Do they fit a second distance-sensing radar/lidar? It already has the lane-assist and emergency braking gubbins as standard, would be curious to know what else is required from a hardware perspective that isn't already on-board, it surely must just be a few lines of code to tell the car to resume cruising speed once the obstruction is removed.

As you say, still a glaring omission on a 'flagship' car though.

Edited by Funk on Monday 20th July 16:50

[ollie05]

Did the update that popped up on the dash earlier, it's now got rid of Spotify, checked the app bit and it's not showing in installed or available apps, FFS.

Anyone else had this or managed to sort?

[Benito88]

Nope, system says my software is uptodate but I did have a problem with finding apple car play, turns out it was available but not 'booked'... booked it and within a few mins all was good.

Try looking at www.bmw-connecteddrive.co.uk to see whats 'booked' for your car as spotify should be under the connected package.

[mackie1]

Installed my VIOFO A129 Pro with their hard wire kit tonight. The biggest pain was getting the ground wire attached but otherwise a simple job and no trim removal needed save for the panel under the dash which has quick release catches.

If anyone fancies doing similar then fuse F28 is always live and F58 and F59 are switched and all are unused circuits. There is a nut that can be used as a grounding point adjacent to the fuse box.

Fuse assignment:

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/g16-840i-cou/wi...

Wiring diagram:

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/g16-840i-cou/wi...

[ollie05]

Benito88 said:

Nope, system says my software is uptodate but I did have a problem with finding apple car play, turns out it was available but not 'booked'... booked it and within a few mins all was good.

Try looking at www.bmw-connecteddrive.co.uk to see whats 'booked' for your car as spotify should be under the connected package.

That site is showing "Page cannot currently be displayed due to an internal error. Please try again later." When I login.

Are you able to login at the moment?

[ollie05]

I can login to CD now but nothing relating to Spotify is showing, or available to select.

fking updates!

[mackie1]

I've had a fun situation where the built in Spotify app and the iOS app via CarPlay fight eachother. I might unregister the built in app.

[Funk]

I'm guessing a Spotify Premium account is required for it to work? Bit annoying as I'm all-in with TIDAL for quality reasons and it seems a little redundant to pay for two different services. Spotify do have a better UI and multi-device experience but TIDAL is so far ahead on quality it's worth it.

I know I could bluetooth to the car as I do now with TIDAL but that doesn't really give much control other than forward/backward on tracks. Perhaps when Android Auto happens it'll be able to make use of TIDAL through that...?

[RUSSELLM]

Funk said:

mackie1 said:

Adaptive cruise needs the additional sensor in the lower grille so it does require hardware changes. I agree it's a bit glaring ommision but then the optional feature goes way beyond just basic adaptive cruise like a Golf Mk7 has.

What sensor does it need over and above the one it needs for the auto-braking on cruise then...? Do they fit a second distance-sensing radar/lidar? It already has the lane-assist and emergency braking gubbins as standard, would be curious to know what else is required from a hardware perspective that isn't already on-board, it surely must just be a few lines of code to tell the car to resume cruising speed once the obstruction is removed.

As you say, still a glaring omission on a 'flagship' car though.

Edited by Funk on Monday 20th July 16:50

I thought cruise with braking facility, is just brake boosting via the ABS, combined with the engine ECU, to keep the car to the speed selected by the driver.

Adaptive cruise, will be using a sensor on the front of the car, presumably microwave, to monitor what’s happening with the vehicle in front. Then using the same ABS/Engine ECU combination as cruise with brake function.

[mackie1]

It uses a combindation of the radar sensor and multiple cameras around the car (including stereo cameras at the front) along with a driver monitoring camera and sensors and indicators on the steering wheel. The combination of all of those allows for pretty much autonomous motorway driving. It might not be quite as advanced as what Tesla offer but it's in the ballpark and they currently charge quite a lot for that option.

I guess they figured that offering an intermediate "regular" adaptive cruise control option wasn't worth it.

[mackie1]

Funk said:

I'm guessing a Spotify Premium account is required for it to work? Bit annoying as I'm all-in with TIDAL for quality reasons and it seems a little redundant to pay for two different services. Spotify do have a better UI and multi-device experience but TIDAL is so far ahead on quality it's worth it.

I know I could bluetooth to the car as I do now with TIDAL but that doesn't really give much control other than forward/backward on tracks. Perhaps when Android Auto happens it'll be able to make use of TIDAL through that...?

Not a Tidal or Android user but I'd be surprised if you couldn't when that feature is rolled out.

[Funk]

RUSSELLM said:

Funk said:

mackie1 said:

Adaptive cruise needs the additional sensor in the lower grille so it does require hardware changes. I agree it's a bit glaring ommision but then the optional feature goes way beyond just basic adaptive cruise like a Golf Mk7 has.

What sensor does it need over and above the one it needs for the auto-braking on cruise then...? Do they fit a second distance-sensing radar/lidar? It already has the lane-assist and emergency braking gubbins as standard, would be curious to know what else is required from a hardware perspective that isn't already on-board, it surely must just be a few lines of code to tell the car to resume cruising speed once the obstruction is removed.

As you say, still a glaring omission on a 'flagship' car though.

Edited by Funk on Monday 20th July 16:50

I thought cruise with braking facility, is just brake boosting via the ABS, combined with the engine ECU, to keep the car to the speed selected by the driver.

Adaptive cruise, will be using a sensor on the front of the car, presumably microwave, to monitor what’s happening with the vehicle in front. Then using the same ABS/Engine ECU combination as cruise with brake function.

Ah, I thought it would slow the car if it detected a vehicle ahead whilst using cruise. It already has Active Guard as standard so the gubbins is there to work out that *something* is in front of it:

"Active Guard: Front Collision Warning with brake intervention includes the Approach Control Warning and Person Warning with city brake intervention. The system detects and reacts automatically with a braking intervention on vehicles (up to 53mph) as well as cyclists and pedestrians (up to 40mph). Above these limits, a warning and preparation of the brake system to an intervention by the driver is made for vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians."

Given that it also has the plethora of sensors required to park itself I didn't think it would need anything more in order to deal with slowing down and speeding up when on cruise - apparently that's not the case then!

mackie1 said:

It uses a combindation of the radar sensor and multiple cameras around the car (including stereo cameras at the front) along with a driver monitoring camera and sensors and indicators on the steering wheel. The combination of all of those allows for pretty much autonomous motorway driving. It might not be quite as advanced as what Tesla offer but it's in the ballpark and they currently charge quite a lot for that option.

I guess they figured that offering an intermediate "regular" adaptive cruise control option wasn't worth it.

That also makes sense.

[3000cc]

ollie05 said:

Did the update that popped up on the dash earlier, it's now got rid of Spotify, checked the app bit and it's not showing in installed or available apps, FFS.

Anyone else had this or managed to sort?

My Spotify has vanished too. Just in time for its first trip abroad...

[ayman82]

3000cc said:

My Spotify has vanished too. Just in time for its first trip abroad...

Did you get a VE103 for your trip?

[3000cc]

ayman82 said:

Did you get a VE103 for your trip?

Yep. Leasys were a bit tricky to get hold of and then they explained they have VE103s subbed out. They asked me to email my details to an outfit called Hudson Kapel who I didn’t hear back from and had to phone up to chase.

So best to order your VE103s in plenty of time!

[ollie05]

3000cc said:

My Spotify has vanished too. Just in time for its first trip abroad...

Great timing! Mine had now reappeared but it's not showing as an installed or available app, it's just showing on the audio screen, though I did have to sign back in again.

Seems flaky!

[forzaf1]

Due to pick up the car next week. BMW dealer has just informed me today about how I wish to pay for the extra 775 RFL. At no point has this ever been discussed with me and they knew the car was not going to be with me before March, as I requested May, so I am not happy.