more power in the wet!!

more power in the wet!!

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pilmar

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135 posts

254 months

Wednesday 24th August 2005
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My M3 Evo seemed more powerful today in the rain, when I could get traction, and it was a noticable difference. I remember a couple of my older cars (escorts and viva magnums) being like this and thought it was my imagination but when I mentioned it to my ever knowing dad he said his old Yamaha was the same. He explained it as being the moisture in the air because water is made up of two highly flamable substances, Hydrogen and Oxygen. By combusting wet air it is making a bigger bang than just plain old dry air. Has anyone else noticed the power increase in the wet or even damp air??

speedychrissie

2,994 posts

240 months

Wednesday 24th August 2005
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i can kind of see what you think might be happening but surely that cant be it can it?
true water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen but it doesnt combust because you need to split the bond between the hydrogen and oxygen which would require temperatures of (something like) 5000 celcius!

am i wrong in thinking this?

i am interested tho.

chris

m.lovell

822 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th August 2005
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the rain is not realy the cause but the rain causing the air to cool thus inceasing in Density. The denser the air the more you draw in the combustion chamber, the more air you can draw in the more fuel you can bring in. The bigger the Bang.
thats the simplist way to exsplain and its the same princible as a charge cooler or intercooler, the lower the air temp the more dense it is. thats also why hot air ballons go upwards.......chineys take smoke upwards...ect ect

m.lovell

822 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th August 2005
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and also turbos with water injection work so damb well...

Boss Hogg

99 posts

230 months

Friday 26th August 2005
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m.lovell said:
and also turbos with water injection work so damb well...



...or better yet... CO2 as some rally teams used to do before they got busted.

>> Edited by Boss Hogg on Friday 26th August 12:19

GreenV8S

30,214 posts

285 months

Friday 26th August 2005
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Boss Hogg said:

...or better yet... CO2 as some rally teams used to do before they got busted.

CO2 injection? Or just using it externally as a coolant?

dannylt

1,906 posts

285 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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Most likely it was lack of grip making it feel more powerful! The ECU can deal with pressure (and temperature) density corrections, but it has no water mist sensor to know it can get away with yet more overfuelling/ignition advance.

Boss Hogg

99 posts

230 months

Thursday 1st September 2005
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GreenV8S said:

Boss Hogg said:

...or better yet... CO2 as some rally teams used to do before they got busted.


CO2 injection? Or just using it externally as a coolant?


Coolant... used to use the fire extinguisher system... mental?!

GravelBen

15,698 posts

231 months

Friday 21st October 2005
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Boss Hogg said:

GreenV8S said:


Boss Hogg said:

...or better yet... CO2 as some rally teams used to do before they got busted.



CO2 injection? Or just using it externally as a coolant?



Coolant... used to use the fire extinguisher system... mental?!


I also heard a few little stories about the old Lancia Integrales, which had an "extra fire extinguisher" plumbed directly into the engine....after a while people figured out the extra fire extinguisher was actually full of nitrous, and they kinda had to stop.

may just be an old rally myth though.

r988

7,495 posts

230 months

Monday 24th October 2005
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GravelBen said:

Boss Hogg said:


GreenV8S said:



Boss Hogg said:

...or better yet... CO2 as some rally teams used to do before they got busted.




CO2 injection? Or just using it externally as a coolant?




Coolant... used to use the fire extinguisher system... mental?!



I also heard a few little stories about the old Lancia Integrales, which had an "extra fire extinguisher" plumbed directly into the engine....after a while people figured out the extra fire extinguisher was actually full of nitrous, and they kinda had to stop.

may just be an old rally myth though.


I think it's an old racing myth as I have heard it about many different cars in all sorts of racing classes, not just rallying.