Anyone have experience of DMS Automotive?
Discussion
diagnosic said:
"My 535d is being done today - excited!"
Sound very good! I'm looking forward to have my own 535d done by DMS! Read the article about DMS in the latest BMW Car Magazine: very impressive!
Is it like day and night?
Hey there - just been out for a quick spin. I wouldn't say it's night and day, but that's because it's surprisingly quick in the first place. It's like it was before just more so - smooth and responsive but pulling quite a bit harder. Enough to think about wanting an LSD, and the acceleration tails off less above 60. With the decent suspension it actually encourages you to drive it much more like a sports car - which is fun for such a comfy estate! Very much worth it - fantastic all round vehicle. Sound very good! I'm looking forward to have my own 535d done by DMS! Read the article about DMS in the latest BMW Car Magazine: very impressive!
Is it like day and night?
Is it like day and night?[/quote]Hey there - just been out for a quick spin. I wouldn't say it's night and day, but that's because it's surprisingly quick in the first place. It's like it was before just more so - smooth and responsive but pulling quite a bit harder. Enough to think about wanting an LSD, and the acceleration tails off less above 60. With the decent suspension it actually encourages you to drive it much more like a sports car - which is fun for such a comfy estate! Very much worth it - fantastic all round vehicle.
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As you say the standard 535 has taken the production D's to a new level and as such the remap will not feel like night and day. I used DMS for my 330d and the difference is astonishing.
olf said:
How new is your touring and how are you handling warranty issues? Very interested now but still a bit nervous!
It's an 04 so 1 year left on warranty. I have taken the view that (rightly or wrongly) I have a reliable machine and the remap still allows the car to operate within it's limits. If I had a mechanical fault covered by warranty I would have my original settings calibrated free of charge by DMS. It seems like a grey area as to whether BMW can trace a remap once it has been re-set.
Why is DMS so highly reguarded as being the best?
I'll tell you why. Because they get their remapped cars into some of the best motoring magazines on the planet and get reviews.
The fact is that the magazines are only reporting on something that most of already know about - remaps make a huge difference to cars, especially those that are turbo charged.
One remap vs another remap - there is not alot in it. The fact is that DMS's remaps are no better than ChippedUK's remaps. There is a massive difference in price though!
If you ever see, in real life, a custom remap being carried out you will understand a few things. There are a few main things that can be altered - igniotion timing, fuel and boost.
With a modern normally aspirated car, on part throttle, you can only really advance the ignition timing. The fuelling is calibrated by the inputs given by the sensors like MAf and lambda. You can only go so far until pinking occurs. Full throttle mapping is not something that's hard to do for someone with basic mapping skills and a rolling road.
DMS are good yes, but they are not really any better than most of the others. You are being fooled into thinking they are much better with the fantastic marketing campaign and the extortionate prices.
I have seen cars with DMS remaps vs cars with other remaps on the rolling road and real world driving - the difference is not £500!! In some cases the cheaper remap comes out better in terms of driveability and peak power.
Use your heads before you had over massive amounts of money guys!
Just as an example, both ChippedUK and DMS quite exaclty the same power gains on an E46 M3 using premium grade fuel - the difference in price is massive. Are they using the same files (or those that are pretty much optimised to the max and hence are prett much the same)?
Have a think before you get your wallets out.
I'll tell you why. Because they get their remapped cars into some of the best motoring magazines on the planet and get reviews.
The fact is that the magazines are only reporting on something that most of already know about - remaps make a huge difference to cars, especially those that are turbo charged.
One remap vs another remap - there is not alot in it. The fact is that DMS's remaps are no better than ChippedUK's remaps. There is a massive difference in price though!
If you ever see, in real life, a custom remap being carried out you will understand a few things. There are a few main things that can be altered - igniotion timing, fuel and boost.
With a modern normally aspirated car, on part throttle, you can only really advance the ignition timing. The fuelling is calibrated by the inputs given by the sensors like MAf and lambda. You can only go so far until pinking occurs. Full throttle mapping is not something that's hard to do for someone with basic mapping skills and a rolling road.
DMS are good yes, but they are not really any better than most of the others. You are being fooled into thinking they are much better with the fantastic marketing campaign and the extortionate prices.
I have seen cars with DMS remaps vs cars with other remaps on the rolling road and real world driving - the difference is not £500!! In some cases the cheaper remap comes out better in terms of driveability and peak power.
Use your heads before you had over massive amounts of money guys!
Just as an example, both ChippedUK and DMS quite exaclty the same power gains on an E46 M3 using premium grade fuel - the difference in price is massive. Are they using the same files (or those that are pretty much optimised to the max and hence are prett much the same)?
Have a think before you get your wallets out.
DMS and Chipped UK both offer remaping, correct, but DMS alter the vanos profile, hence the extra 10bhp (supposedly)Whether that's worth the extra money is up to you, but you do get additional work...
I have to say I didn't get my car remapped. In fact I have an order placed for a ESS Twin Screw Stage one supercharger... not point in messing around
G
I have to say I didn't get my car remapped. In fact I have an order placed for a ESS Twin Screw Stage one supercharger... not point in messing around
G
Good luck to anyone who wants their pride & joy fettled with a cheap map.
I've used DMS several times (was down their on Tuesday), as most recently they did my 535d M-Sport in January & then my E60 M5 that replaced the 535d. I'd never consider opting for the cheap option & it's not all about Dyno (unless that's all anyone is trying to prove). DMS are AFAIK the only tuner who map both sets of gearbox settings in both power modes on the M5 (that's basically 20maps in total, being 3rd gear through 7th in both SMG & Drive in both P400 & P500). That alone justifies the price.
Secondly (& i think i'd know) their detection rate is still nil & as many of you know, the E60 M5's have suffered a little with their SMG boxes & about 20% of all M5's have had either their entire transmission or the SMG Hydraulic system replaced (including mine) so at least 5 of those are DMS tuned & no-one has raised an eyebrow or found the code. The DMS code can only basically be found (for BMW's) if BMW decided to send the ECU (M5 has 12 ECU's) back to the original manufacturer & as that would take weeks, BMW do not want the bad press so in the real world it's never going to happen. Finally, if that did ever happen DMS would step up the plate & resolve any non warranty issues, as with an unblemished reputation for their technology & Customer Service they would never risk the bad press. Along with this, BMW will often flash ECU's when checking for faults & carrying out diagnosis & this would wipe the DMS code, so DMS will re re-map your car if this happens for the length of ownership (i had this one on the 535d & this week for my M5), so i've had 4 re-maps for the price of 2.
That's what you're paying for & please remember that not all code is the same. DMS R&D'd their E60 M5 mapping on their own car (which they still own) & like others i went out for a PAX VMAX lap last year, whcih is one of the reasons i ended up buying the M5.
I'll be running my DMS M5 at the next VMAX
I've used DMS several times (was down their on Tuesday), as most recently they did my 535d M-Sport in January & then my E60 M5 that replaced the 535d. I'd never consider opting for the cheap option & it's not all about Dyno (unless that's all anyone is trying to prove). DMS are AFAIK the only tuner who map both sets of gearbox settings in both power modes on the M5 (that's basically 20maps in total, being 3rd gear through 7th in both SMG & Drive in both P400 & P500). That alone justifies the price.
Secondly (& i think i'd know) their detection rate is still nil & as many of you know, the E60 M5's have suffered a little with their SMG boxes & about 20% of all M5's have had either their entire transmission or the SMG Hydraulic system replaced (including mine) so at least 5 of those are DMS tuned & no-one has raised an eyebrow or found the code. The DMS code can only basically be found (for BMW's) if BMW decided to send the ECU (M5 has 12 ECU's) back to the original manufacturer & as that would take weeks, BMW do not want the bad press so in the real world it's never going to happen. Finally, if that did ever happen DMS would step up the plate & resolve any non warranty issues, as with an unblemished reputation for their technology & Customer Service they would never risk the bad press. Along with this, BMW will often flash ECU's when checking for faults & carrying out diagnosis & this would wipe the DMS code, so DMS will re re-map your car if this happens for the length of ownership (i had this one on the 535d & this week for my M5), so i've had 4 re-maps for the price of 2.
That's what you're paying for & please remember that not all code is the same. DMS R&D'd their E60 M5 mapping on their own car (which they still own) & like others i went out for a PAX VMAX lap last year, whcih is one of the reasons i ended up buying the M5.
I'll be running my DMS M5 at the next VMAX
400Nm,
Here's what they say on their website
" BMW - Petrol
We have many upgrades available for the BMW range, for the petrol and diesel models this revolves mainly around our engine management re-mapping. Petrol models achieve good gains due to us changing the parameters of the VANOS system, this essentially is like installing a set of sport camshafts. Also by customer request we can remove the top speed limiter in the ECU program. We cater for all the latest models including the X3 and the new 645 Ci, please call us for further information."
When I contacted them they quoted 25bhp increase compared to "just" 14bhp at chipped UK, there wasn't much difference in torque increases.
Here's what they say on their website
" BMW - Petrol
We have many upgrades available for the BMW range, for the petrol and diesel models this revolves mainly around our engine management re-mapping. Petrol models achieve good gains due to us changing the parameters of the VANOS system, this essentially is like installing a set of sport camshafts. Also by customer request we can remove the top speed limiter in the ECU program. We cater for all the latest models including the X3 and the new 645 Ci, please call us for further information."
When I contacted them they quoted 25bhp increase compared to "just" 14bhp at chipped UK, there wasn't much difference in torque increases.
w8pmc said:
Good luck to anyone who wants their pride & joy fettled with a cheap map.
I've used DMS several times (was down their on Tuesday), as most recently they did my 535d M-Sport in January & then my E60 M5 that replaced the 535d. I'd never consider opting for the cheap option & it's not all about Dyno (unless that's all anyone is trying to prove). DMS are AFAIK the only tuner who map both sets of gearbox settings in both power modes on the M5 (that's basically 20maps in total, being 3rd gear through 7th in both SMG & Drive in both P400 & P500). That alone justifies the price.
Secondly (& i think i'd know) their detection rate is still nil & as many of you know, the E60 M5's have suffered a little with their SMG boxes & about 20% of all M5's have had either their entire transmission or the SMG Hydraulic system replaced (including mine) so at least 5 of those are DMS tuned & no-one has raised an eyebrow or found the code. The DMS code can only basically be found (for BMW's) if BMW decided to send the ECU (M5 has 12 ECU's) back to the original manufacturer & as that would take weeks, BMW do not want the bad press so in the real world it's never going to happen. Finally, if that did ever happen DMS would step up the plate & resolve any non warranty issues, as with an unblemished reputation for their technology & Customer Service they would never risk the bad press. Along with this, BMW will often flash ECU's when checking for faults & carrying out diagnosis & this would wipe the DMS code, so DMS will re re-map your car if this happens for the length of ownership (i had this one on the 535d & this week for my M5), so i've had 4 re-maps for the price of 2.
That's what you're paying for & please remember that not all code is the same. DMS R&D'd their E60 M5 mapping on their own car (which they still own) & like others i went out for a PAX VMAX lap last year, whcih is one of the reasons i ended up buying the M5.
I'll be running my DMS M5 at the next VMAX
I've used DMS several times (was down their on Tuesday), as most recently they did my 535d M-Sport in January & then my E60 M5 that replaced the 535d. I'd never consider opting for the cheap option & it's not all about Dyno (unless that's all anyone is trying to prove). DMS are AFAIK the only tuner who map both sets of gearbox settings in both power modes on the M5 (that's basically 20maps in total, being 3rd gear through 7th in both SMG & Drive in both P400 & P500). That alone justifies the price.
Secondly (& i think i'd know) their detection rate is still nil & as many of you know, the E60 M5's have suffered a little with their SMG boxes & about 20% of all M5's have had either their entire transmission or the SMG Hydraulic system replaced (including mine) so at least 5 of those are DMS tuned & no-one has raised an eyebrow or found the code. The DMS code can only basically be found (for BMW's) if BMW decided to send the ECU (M5 has 12 ECU's) back to the original manufacturer & as that would take weeks, BMW do not want the bad press so in the real world it's never going to happen. Finally, if that did ever happen DMS would step up the plate & resolve any non warranty issues, as with an unblemished reputation for their technology & Customer Service they would never risk the bad press. Along with this, BMW will often flash ECU's when checking for faults & carrying out diagnosis & this would wipe the DMS code, so DMS will re re-map your car if this happens for the length of ownership (i had this one on the 535d & this week for my M5), so i've had 4 re-maps for the price of 2.
That's what you're paying for & please remember that not all code is the same. DMS R&D'd their E60 M5 mapping on their own car (which they still own) & like others i went out for a PAX VMAX lap last year, whcih is one of the reasons i ended up buying the M5.
I'll be running my DMS M5 at the next VMAX
DMS actually reguard ChippedUK's maps as being very good.
When I said cheaper remap places I did not mean the guys who are just walking around with cheapo hardware and made at home files.
When I mean cheap remaps I mean "cheaper" remaps in terms of price - not quality.
There are many many people who are happy with the likes of Chipped UK's remaps. I can't really say I know of any other company that has any reputation to go by.
The only thing that bugs me is the extortionate price of the DMS remaps - nothing else really. They come accross as being very friendly and seem to know their stuff.
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