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Carbon Black said:
Impressive figures, very high rear-wheel torque, but area under the curve just doesn't quite match the M5. And don't forget that the M5 can be supercharged.........
Remember what an M5 costs. Totally unfair comparison.
I say again, a (haggled) £38,000 DMS 535d, with 334 bhp and 506 lbs-ft, would not give up much to the current M3, or the old M5 and i am willing to find out in springtime.
The M3 is far less practical and the M5 much dearer, too.
'535d' can fight his own battles with still faster cars, the DMS chip is the limit of my upgrading, when i get the car.
I only paid 25k for mine ....
Birmingham to Kings Lynn and back again, nice mix of cross country and dual c'way,
Pick your time. You leave first, I'll levae 1 min later, and I can guarantee I'll get back before you do .....
mondeoman said:
Impressive figures, very high rear-wheel torque, but area under the curve just doesn't quite match the M5. And don't forget that the M5 can be supercharged.........
Remember what an M5 costs. Totally unfair comparison.
I say again, a (haggled) £38,000 DMS 535d, with 334 bhp and 506 lbs-ft, would not give up much to the current M3, or the old M5 and i am willing to find out in springtime.
The M3 is far less practical and the M5 much dearer, too.
'535d' can fight his own battles with still faster cars, the DMS chip is the limit of my upgrading, when i get the car.
I only paid 25k for mine ....
Birmingham to Kings Lynn and back again, nice mix of cross country and dual c'way,
Pick your time. You leave first, I'll levae 1 min later, and I can guarantee I'll get back before you do .....
Paid £25K for what?
You paid £28,800 on your profile for the M3.
If it's a stock M3, you will never leave a DMS 535d behind, no way jose.
Carbon Black said:
PS 328i?
Yikkes, my Mini had way more power than your thing!
You'd be left for dead by a stock 535d, never mind a tuned one.
Cooper s works? Do me a favour. Whilst you wheel spin your power away in your FWD i'd be off. More power or not. And to use your argument my car still cost me far less.
And I'm happy with my 328, it's power and everything else with it, although it may be going soon if I change my job then watch this space for the play car that will decimate you diesel. There are bigger plans afoot than you know.
Also if you think a 535d will corner like an M3 you have got a massive shock coming. Take a corner like an M3 driver and you'll put your battle barge through a hedge and flatten the nearest cow.
Darth Dave said:
PS 328i?
Yikkes, my Mini had way more power than your thing!
You'd be left for dead by a stock 535d, never mind a tuned one.
Cooper s works? Do me a favour. Whilst you wheel spin your power away in your FWD i'd be off. More power or not. And to use your argument my car still cost me far less.
And I'm happy with my 328, it's power and everything else with it, although it may be going soon if I change my job then watch this space for the play car that will decimate you diesel. There are bigger plans afoot than you know.
Also if you think a 535d will corner like an M3 you have got a massive shock coming. Take a corner like an M3 driver and you'll put your battle barge through a hedge and flatten the nearest cow.
Read the report. Out of touch. Out of date.
My Cooper S Works actually had 237 bhp, after work at Superchips and would have murdered your car every time, road or track.
I have driven the 328i, not impressed with it, too heavy for it's menial 193 crank bhp.
chazuk said:
Don't forget ladies April PH meet, 535d and me have already arranged a little "meet up", I think some of you should come along and start putting there money where their mouth is .
Don't know about Mr. 535d, but i will happily compare mine with an old M5 or current M3, but i am not going chasing Skylines or 997s.
Skylines are available from £5000 and offer great value, but are really not my cup of tea.
Carbon Black said:
If it's a stock M3, you will never leave a DMS 535d behind, no way jose.
On twisty roads an M3 will. Your barge won't corner anywhere near as well.
Re-read the report above.
You are out of date and out of touch.
Er, the article said something like "the 535d won't understeer at all during normal road use", that just means the tester was being a gayer and not going fast, not that the 535d will out handle car x. A 318i won't understeer in normal driving conditions and I bet you can find a what car or similar article that says so, that doesn't mean it'll keep up with a radical down a twisty road though
The 5 series is a great car, no doubt, and the 535d is fast, again, no doubt, but claiming that it'll corner as well as a multitude of cars is all getting a bit silly. If it can corner as well as you say, and go as fast as you lot claim then it's lap times would be as good as say, an M3. The M car based on the 8 year old 3 series chassis is still much faster than the much newer standard 5 series (and in fact the M5 too in the hockenheim tests).
I know your response will be something along the lines of "irrelevant" but please listen. If you claim a 535d corners as well as an M3 and can accelerate as well as an M3 then track times are a very good way of proving it. If you are saying that it corners as well as most people will ever need on the road then you are probably right, but then so will a 520i based on the same chassis, or a 320i, or a mini, focus, vectra, mondeo etc... 90% of the time you cannot have fun on the road due to other traffic in these cases it doesn't matter what car you have, a 520d would be fine and keep up with the traffic (including a 535d), for the 10% of the time I can use the performance of my car I'm glad it is there and I have a right laugh, that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned, fun.
Chaz - I'm doing one track day and one 'ring trip this year, did 12 odd days + 3 ring trips last year so am spending more time and money on the house this year. I won't be coming along.
Carbon Black said:
Don't know about Mr. 535d, but i will happily compare mine with an old M5 or current M3, but i am not going chasing Skylines or 997s.
Skylines are available from £5000 and offer great value, but are really not my cup of tea.
Since when did the value come into anything and Christ my skyline has just lost ALOT of money lol!.
Talking about cups of tea, a 4-5 door family old mans diesel wagon's are not for me.
>> Edited by chazuk on Monday 20th February 16:54
Carbon Black said:
Don't know about Mr. 535d, but i will happily compare mine with an old M5 or current M3, but i am not going chasing Skylines or 997s.
Skylines are available from £5000 and offer great value, but are really not my cup of tea.
Since when did the vauvle come into anything and christ my skyline has just lost ALOT of money lol!.
Talking about cups of tea,a 4-5 door family old mans diesel wagon's are not for me.
chazuk said:
Don't forget ladies April PH meet, 535d and me have already arranged a little "meet up", I think some of you should come along and start putting there money where their mouth is .
I will give it a go, yes.
In my tractor!
Darth, you talk a lotta cobblers matey.
A 328i would do well to beat a stock Cooper, you would get totally wasted by a Cooper S Works, stop being silly, the Mini is much lighter AND more powerful and fwd is only a problem if you don't know how to deal with it.
Most of you guys lost the plot about this a while back. From what I've read, no-one claimed the DMS 535D was an 'M' car beater, it was said that the 535D would stay with an M3 or E39 M5 on the road under fast road driving conditions, & I can belive that, as it really does take a big HP difference to show any margin in performance on the road. By the time the 'M' car is starting to pull a length or so,(or the 0.6 of a second it'll go from 60 - 100 quicker) it'll be time to back off for traffic etc, hence the M3/5 not being able to shake it. 'I looked in my mirror, & it was still there' etc.
THAT is real road driving. Stick your facts & figures back into your hard drive, as they count for nothing on the road. They are only usefull fodder for the pub & Santa Pod.
P.s. I don't own a cardigan (yet!) but I chose the 530D over the 530i as it was quicker out in the real world, despite the data at the back of every car magazine showing that the 530i would be. I also use the full performance 90% of the time, whereas in a petrol, I would never have got close to caning it every journey. I also have quite a lot of fun in it. Shame on you BMW.
Cheers,
Gwaredd.
THAT is real road driving. Stick your facts & figures back into your hard drive, as they count for nothing on the road. They are only usefull fodder for the pub & Santa Pod.
P.s. I don't own a cardigan (yet!) but I chose the 530D over the 530i as it was quicker out in the real world, despite the data at the back of every car magazine showing that the 530i would be. I also use the full performance 90% of the time, whereas in a petrol, I would never have got close to caning it every journey. I also have quite a lot of fun in it. Shame on you BMW.
Cheers,
Gwaredd.
chazuk said:
Don't know about Mr. 535d, but i will happily compare mine with an old M5 or current M3, but i am not going chasing Skylines or 997s.
Skylines are available from £5000 and offer great value, but are really not my cup of tea.
Since when did the vauvle come into anything and christ my skyline has just lost ALOT of money lol!.
Talking about cups of tea,a 4-5 door family old mans diesel wagon's are not for me.
You're 20 or 21. No more needs to be said really.
;-)
(Get experienced in a wide range of fast cars and report back, laddy. Say, when you have had 15 decent cars).
I have owned and driven more fast cars than you have had wet wipes.
Get real.
Gwaredd said:
Most of you guys lost the plot about this a while back. From what I've read, no-one claimed the DMS 535D was an 'M' car beater, it was said that the 535D would stay with an M3 or E39 M5 on the road under fast road driving conditions, & I can belive that, as it really does take a big HP difference to show any margin in performance on the road. By the time the 'M' car is starting to pull a length or so,(or the 0.6 of a second it'll go from 60 - 100 quicker) it'll be time to back off for traffic etc, hence the M3/5 not being able to shake it. 'I looked in my mirror, & it was still there' etc.
THAT is real road driving. Stick your facts & figures back into your hard drive, as they count for nothing on the road. They are only usefull fodder for the pub & Santa Pod.
P.s. I don't own a cardigan (yet!) but I chose the 530D over the 530i as it was quicker out in the real world, despite the data at the back of every car magazine showing that the 530i would be. I also use the full performance 90% of the time, whereas in a petrol, I would never have got close to caning it every journey. I also have quite a lot of fun in it. Shame on you BMW.
Cheers,
Gwaredd.
So far we have an empty autobahn with a 535d staying with a conti gt from 60 to 160, staying with a 997S again on the autobahn and sticking with various M cars.
Using your anaglogy a 530i will be with a 530d due to traffic and they'll both look in the mirror to see a 520d as they've only pulled 1 second or whatever on him before having to slow for traffic again. Doesn't make a 520d as fast as a 530d though.
Gwaredd said:
Most of you guys lost the plot about this a while back. From what I've read, no-one claimed the DMS 535D was an 'M' car beater, it was said that the 535D would stay with an M3 or E39 M5 on the road under fast road driving conditions, & I can belive that, as it really does take a big HP difference to show any margin in performance on the road. By the time the 'M' car is starting to pull a length or so,(or the 0.6 of a second it'll go from 60 - 100 quicker) it'll be time to back off for traffic etc, hence the M3/5 not being able to shake it. 'I looked in my mirror, & it was still there' etc.
THAT is real road driving. Stick your facts & figures back into your hard drive, as they count for nothing on the road. They are only usefull fodder for the pub & Santa Pod.
P.s. I don't own a cardigan (yet!) but I chose the 530D over the 530i as it was quicker out in the real world, despite the data at the back of every car magazine showing that the 530i would be. I also use the full performance 90% of the time, whereas in a petrol, I would never have got close to caning it every journey. I also have quite a lot of fun in it. Shame on you BMW.
Cheers,
Gwaredd.
Exactly, i simply reported a few actual instances, where supposedly faster cars were not, as it happened, faster at the time it was happening. I did not lie, the events happened.
You are right, stop watch figures are not the point, i can read a magazine too, but real life situations see a tuned 535d as fast as most cars and that includes a stock M3.
Racetrack and drag strip are beside the point.
Too many petrol fans have their knickers in a twist after realising just how good the new diesels are, i e 330d better than 330i and 535d better than 530i.
Get over it.
Oh, Chaz, £20K will get me a well-used Skyline with 500bhp.
Great bangs per buck but they are not virtually giving the things away for no reason.
535d said:
Don't know about Mr. 535d, but i will happily compare mine with an old M5 or current M3, but i am not going chasing Skylines or 997s.
Skylines are available from £5000 and offer great value, but are really not my cup of tea.
Since when did the vauvle come into anything and christ my skyline has just lost ALOT of money lol!.
Talking about cups of tea,a 4-5 door family old mans diesel wagon's are not for me.
You're 20 or 21. No more needs to be said really.
;-)
(Get experienced in a wide range of fast cars and report back, laddy. Say, when you have had 15 decent cars).
I have owned and driven more fast cars than you have had wet wipes.
Get real.
Jenson Button was 18 when he started in F1, what has age got to do with it other than giving you a chance to be as patronising as possible and once again remind us how very rich you are?
Gwaredd said:
Most of you guys lost the plot about this a while back. From what I've read, no-one claimed the DMS 535D was an 'M' car beater, it was said that the 535D would stay with an M3 or E39 M5 on the road under fast road driving conditions, & I can belive that, as it really does take a big HP difference to show any margin in performance on the road. By the time the 'M' car is starting to pull a length or so,(or the 0.6 of a second it'll go from 60 - 100 quicker) it'll be time to back off for traffic etc, hence the M3/5 not being able to shake it. 'I looked in my mirror, & it was still there' etc.
THAT is real road driving. Stick your facts & figures back into your hard drive, as they count for nothing on the road. They are only usefull fodder for the pub & Santa Pod.
P.s. I don't own a cardigan (yet!) but I chose the 530D over the 530i as it was quicker out in the real world, despite the data at the back of every car magazine showing that the 530i would be. I also use the full performance 90% of the time, whereas in a petrol, I would never have got close to caning it every journey. I also have quite a lot of fun in it. Shame on you BMW.
Cheers,
Gwaredd.
A good post. The 330d is a quicker car than the 330i, whist having better residuals, mpg and lower running costs in general.
The 535d similarly sees off the 530i.
Of course the new V10 M5 is faster ultimately than a 2993cc diesel, i would only claim that under road use, the M5 would very rarely get away and would have less instant urge in many situations. The old M5 and the current stock M3 would be a close match for a DMS 535d, which has many other advantages over the M car.
That's all i am claiming, i have no idea what a Bentley does 60-160 or whatever.
M12, so you had lots of fast car experience at 18 or 21 did you? Are you not older and wiser now?
Most people gather experience over time, i think the point being made was.
I know i had not had many genunely fast cars at 21. Not many people have.
Anyway, i vowed to quit this thread as it is no longer achieving anything but hot air from all sides.
Most people gather experience over time, i think the point being made was.
I know i had not had many genunely fast cars at 21. Not many people have.
Anyway, i vowed to quit this thread as it is no longer achieving anything but hot air from all sides.
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