RE: Turbo Beemer is on its way
Discussion
There are talks that the engine from the 535d will be going into the current 3, also into the X3/X5, as far as I know there are no plans for a turbo petrol engine in the near future. the BMW group has a few other cars under discussion including a Riley Elf based on the Mini platform!! Sort of a Mini Phantom as it were.
I too despise the diesel technology in anything other than trains and lorries.
My neighbour is a BMW engineer, usually comes home at the weekend with something new or not yet released (new facelifted 7 series a year ago, an M6 two weeks ago).
Maybe I'll ask him when he comes home with the 335i.
Will post some pictures when he does! :-)
My neighbour is a BMW engineer, usually comes home at the weekend with something new or not yet released (new facelifted 7 series a year ago, an M6 two weeks ago).
Maybe I'll ask him when he comes home with the 335i.
Will post some pictures when he does! :-)
Haha! I agree with Audi being the new wa*kers car, I've heard a few people fishing for compliments saying "Yeah, I've got an Audi" as though it's some kind of special members club. Well like BMW back in the day, any idiot can afford one, second hand A4's are cheap, and it's normally these guys that try to show off... It's not like its an Rs4 or anything special...
I couldnt personally afford to run a high performance petrol at the moment which is why ive gone diesel, although not great its not half bad. Ive got a ibiza cupra tdi, chipped to over 200bhp from 160, and as quick as a clio 182 in standard form and yet returns 50mpg on a good run.
I will be coming back to petrol when I can afford to run one, but at the moment there's no petrol that can touch it for running costs at the moment.
I will be coming back to petrol when I can afford to run one, but at the moment there's no petrol that can touch it for running costs at the moment.
) to the new a4.... anyone? anyone?astrsxi77 said:
14:09 Reply with quoteDIESEL IS NOT THE REAL DRIVER'S CHOICE.....END OF DISCUSSION.
It amazes my how people are prepared to pay X-Thousand pounds for a badge (see X5/A6/5-series/3-series blah blah) and yet spec a Diesel because of the minmal economy gains. Do you really care? By buying a diesel, you certainly aren't bothered about how the car drives. I care becasue I have to breath in the shite coming out of the other end!!! Who the said Diesels are cleaner than petrol? And who really gives a monkies about C02, an unproven cause of "global warming." There's nothing unproven about Carcinogens and Cancer!
Diesels don't rev, are heavy and noisier..."Yes, but my 535d is whisper quiet and I don't have to change gear to overtake you!"
Yeh, that's because it's carrying 200kgs of sound proofing in addtion to hefty engine, thus negating a good slug of the potential economy gains. And why don't you just get a bleeding auto if you don't like changing gear! Plus your Status Badge sounds like a TRACTOR.....
Oh yeh, the 330i Turbo? Whoopee; sounds like BM have finally succumed (sp?) to the fasion for Turbo everything.
Yeah, teach 'em! 
Why is everyone talking about chipping it to get super high power gains, this only really happens with diesiel turbos, if you have a petrol turbo a chip will add max of about 30bhp, you can get electronic boost controlers tho and turn up the boost on the turbo 
lol as long as the engine can cope with the heat and pressure.
lol as long as the engine can cope with the heat and pressure.astrsxi77 said:
Oh yeh, the 330i Turbo? Whoopee; sounds like BM have finally succumed (sp?) to the fasion for Turbo everything.
I'm sure its nothing to do with fashion. BMW feel that there's too much of a gap between 330i and M3 and therefore wanted to fill that gap. It's cheaper to develop a more powerful model based on an existing engine than build a completely new engine. Also the problem of building a new engine, say 3.5 litre petrol would be the increased weight which would spoil the sacred 50:50 weight balance. Then there are the benefits turbocharged engines can provide in terms of the ratio of emissions to power output. Finally, since they've learnt to make some of the most driveable turbo diesel engines on the market, why not leverage this knowledge into petrol cars.
I see this as BMW being mister sensible rather than following any trends.
Mr Whippy said:
Why more torque?
The RS4 V8 revs to 8000rpm, so can be geared down alot more.
I know that and you know that, but the average car buyer does not, and the average car buyer neither knows nor cares about changing down, except after braking for some other hazard.
Unfortunately, you, me, and Tiff Needell seem to be in a minority these days, so I think BMW feel they need to sacrifice some purity for the sake of ROAD driveability. Let's face it, you see a lot of 330ds on the motorway and not really anywhere else.
Most people that get into a toppy multivalve engine will drive it like, er, a diesel, and that's why they think the two are equivalent...
Said by zevans....
"I know that and you know that, but the average car buyer does not, and the average car buyer neither knows nor cares about changing down, except after braking for some other hazard.
Unfortunately, you, me, and Tiff Needell seem to be in a minority these days, so I think BMW feel they need to sacrifice some purity for the sake of ROAD driveability. Let's face it, you see a lot of 330ds on the motorway and not really anywhere else.
Most people that get into a toppy multivalve engine will drive it like, er, a diesel, and that's why they think the two are equivalent..."
I couldn't agree more. Best point on the topic!
"I know that and you know that, but the average car buyer does not, and the average car buyer neither knows nor cares about changing down, except after braking for some other hazard.
Unfortunately, you, me, and Tiff Needell seem to be in a minority these days, so I think BMW feel they need to sacrifice some purity for the sake of ROAD driveability. Let's face it, you see a lot of 330ds on the motorway and not really anywhere else.
Most people that get into a toppy multivalve engine will drive it like, er, a diesel, and that's why they think the two are equivalent..."
I couldn't agree more. Best point on the topic!
DoctorD said:
I was under the impression that it would be two sequential turbos as in the 535d, but I've probably only heard that from rumours. I'm sure BMW will focus on it being as driveable as possible, whilst minimising emissions.
Do you think it will be an engine which could be fettled to rival the top Evos and Scoobys, Doctor?
Carbon Black said:
I was under the impression that it would be two sequential turbos as in the 535d, but I've probably only heard that from rumours. I'm sure BMW will focus on it being as driveable as possible, whilst minimising emissions.
Do you think it will be an engine which could be fettled to rival the top Evos and Scoobys, Doctor?
I'd be surprised. The top Evo's and Scoobys have similar performance to an M3. I think this car is designed to bridge the gap between the 330 and the M3 (i.e. 0-60 in mid to low 5 secs). Performance should rival a standard Impreza Turbo or lower end Evo.
The only hope is that the new V8 M3 would be such an animal the 335 would then be given similar straight line performance to the current M3.
I don't think it's being developed as a performance engine to match EVOs or Scoobys. I spoke with some senior BMW GB guys a year or so ago and I got the impression it was being viewed as a much cheaper alternative than actually developing a 3.5L six. BMW have learned a lot from their turbo diesels and feel they can deliver the kind of driveability that customers normally expect from a BMW six. (so that means low pressure turbo(s), with no discernable lag).
It does create an issue though, since every turbo configuration is easily enhanced on the aftermarket, how will they maintain the gap between a tuned 335i and the next M3? I guess they will have to make sure that the M3 is much lighter than the regular coupe.
It does create an issue though, since every turbo configuration is easily enhanced on the aftermarket, how will they maintain the gap between a tuned 335i and the next M3? I guess they will have to make sure that the M3 is much lighter than the regular coupe.
That is my point Doc.
Tuners.
If the 3-litre turbo Beemer is going to have 330bhp out of the crate, then it already, with low boost, is up there with, say, an Evo 340.
Surely, having 50% extra capacity, will enable it to out-power an Evo FQ400?
I can see a turbocharged BMW 3 litre being every bit as quick as the forthcoming 400 bhp M3, no problems.
Tuners.
If the 3-litre turbo Beemer is going to have 330bhp out of the crate, then it already, with low boost, is up there with, say, an Evo 340.
Surely, having 50% extra capacity, will enable it to out-power an Evo FQ400?
I can see a turbocharged BMW 3 litre being every bit as quick as the forthcoming 400 bhp M3, no problems.
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