RE: BMW 335i Coupé
Discussion
dannylt said:
mickken said:
A DMS West Tuning chipped 335d for me please......
I expect it's high compression running close to detonation already, so probably not as much gains as on a normal turbo car?
I don't claim to know anything, but my understanding is that the reason it has such high compression for a turbocharged engine is that it uses direct fuel injection, which atomizes the fuel better, thus allowing a more efficient burn, making it compatible with the higher compression. It's not because it's closer to self-destructing than other turbocharged engines with conventional fuel injection systems and lower compression. I don't know what DMS will do to the 335i, but I'm sure it'll be really powerful. In a recent article, Steve Dinan, a California BMW tuner, was quoted as saying that his modded 335i will have 400 hp.
It's interesting that they didn't go for a sequential turbo setup like the new diesel. I guess they could acheive what they wanted from 2 dinky little turbos running in parallel with very little lag so they was no need to add complexity. It's certainly not a first though!
As for looks, it's discreet and looks a bit under wheeled even on 18s (same could be said for my car however) but overall seems quite nice.
As for looks, it's discreet and looks a bit under wheeled even on 18s (same could be said for my car however) but overall seems quite nice.
Clearly, like mackie1 said, they got what they needed from two small turbochargers. The reason is that they weren't going for insane power levels. They could've made it a fire-breathing monster, but they'll have the new V8 M3 for that. Let's face it, this twin turbo 335i doesn't have that much more power than the Z4 3.0 si. What it does have is great torque and therefore in-gear acceleration, resulting in effortless performance. The articles seem to say that it's quite lag-free.
mackie1 said:
It's interesting that they didn't go for a sequential turbo setup like the new diesel. I guess they could acheive what they wanted from 2 dinky little turbos running in parallel with very little lag so they was no need to add complexity. It's certainly not a first though!
As for looks, it's discreet and looks a bit under wheeled even on 18s (same could be said for my car however) but overall seems quite nice.
As for looks, it's discreet and looks a bit under wheeled even on 18s (same could be said for my car however) but overall seems quite nice.
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Unfortunately, my local BMW dealer won't let me test a 335 - they know I've just bought a B3 3.3 - so I need to blag a drive from elsewhere[/quote]
Bloody hell, you just bought an Alpina off them and they wont even let you take out a glorified rep mobile out for a test drive??? Time to ditch the dealer IMO.
My local dealer let me take one out for a couple of hours the day after it's official launch date. They registered 3 specifically for booking people in back to back for decent drives.
This car appeals to a totally different group of people to the M3, it is easy smooth power without the drama, bit more of a direct competitor to the Audi S4. Hopefully having a civilised 300bhp+ 3 series will mean they can be a bit more extream with the new M3 and put something together to blow away the RS4.
Unfortunately, my local BMW dealer won't let me test a 335 - they know I've just bought a B3 3.3 - so I need to blag a drive from elsewhere[/quote]
Bloody hell, you just bought an Alpina off them and they wont even let you take out a glorified rep mobile out for a test drive??? Time to ditch the dealer IMO.
My local dealer let me take one out for a couple of hours the day after it's official launch date. They registered 3 specifically for booking people in back to back for decent drives.
This car appeals to a totally different group of people to the M3, it is easy smooth power without the drama, bit more of a direct competitor to the Audi S4. Hopefully having a civilised 300bhp+ 3 series will mean they can be a bit more extream with the new M3 and put something together to blow away the RS4.
jonlwright said:
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Unfortunately, my local BMW dealer won't let me test a 335 - they know I've just bought a B3 3.3 - so I need to blag a drive from elsewhere <snip>
Bloody hell, you just bought an Alpina off them and they wont even let you take out a glorified rep mobile out for a test drive??? Time to ditch the dealer IMO.
Unfortunately, my local BMW dealer won't let me test a 335 - they know I've just bought a B3 3.3 - so I need to blag a drive from elsewhere <snip>
Bloody hell, you just bought an Alpina off them and they wont even let you take out a glorified rep mobile out for a test drive??? Time to ditch the dealer IMO.
Heh - well I didn't buy it from the stealer, so they're even less minded
It'd be nice if the new M3/M4 could finally be hardcore enough to let the ///M badged 3er step out of the mighty shadow cast by the E30.
Audi still haven't managed it, Lancia never will, and I don't think Ford will ever shake off the RS500.
Edited by Dunk76 on Friday 17th November 21:43
baz1985 said:
Still think a yr old E46 M3 is a much better buy
Hmmm... if I was in the market for a turbo'd german coupe with 50/50 weight distribution, I'd buy a 944 Turbo, tweak it up to 300bhp/300lbft and restore it to concours condition. Total cost, maybe £10-15k tops. And it would be a damn sight lighter too.
panthro said:
Anyone know if this is faster than a E46 M3 round a track and point to point?
In a sraight line, the M3 is still marginally quicker, from the tests I've seen. Car and Driver recorded 0-60 in 4.9, 0-130 in 21.6 for the 335i. That compares with 4.8 and 20.3 for their M3 est (with SMG). Sport Auto recorded 0-200 kph in 18.1 for the manual M3, 20.7 for the 335i coupe.
The standard 3's have traditionally been under-tired, under-braked, and too soft compared to their M counterparts for serious track duty, so no surprise if the M3 is faster around a track. The M has benefit of that electronically controlled limited-slip with infinitely variable lockup; could be wrong, but I don't think the 335i has LSD. That being said, the 335i's performance in German tests fare quite favorably against the M3. 8:26 vs 8:22 at the Nurburgring, 1:17.8 vs 1:17.6 at the Hockenheim club circuit. On runflat tires too.
Edited by Guibo on Saturday 18th November 08:25
timberwolf said:
How wheel and colour sensitive are these things?
In my opinion, the black one in the photographs looks dumpy and overweight from the side profile, and awkward from some angles, whereas the dark silver one looks far sleeker.
I've seen a black E92 real life and it looked far better, but it was rolling on smaller, more restrained wheels. Likewise, I saw an advert for a dark silver one affixed with the kind of "rimz" you'd expect of a hip-hop artist, and it looked quite horrid.
Hopefully the resale (surely now the sole arbiter of specification for many new BMW buyers) will favour the smaller, better-looking alloys and a trip on the M25 won't be as visually painful as falling into a pit of Scorpios - metallic aubergine Scorpios.
PS. Turbo BMWs. Have BMW successfully erased from history the M102 745i? Nearly every article about the 335i says "first turbo BMW since 2002", or even, "First ever turbocharged petrol BMW".
In my opinion, the black one in the photographs looks dumpy and overweight from the side profile, and awkward from some angles, whereas the dark silver one looks far sleeker.
I've seen a black E92 real life and it looked far better, but it was rolling on smaller, more restrained wheels. Likewise, I saw an advert for a dark silver one affixed with the kind of "rimz" you'd expect of a hip-hop artist, and it looked quite horrid.
Hopefully the resale (surely now the sole arbiter of specification for many new BMW buyers) will favour the smaller, better-looking alloys and a trip on the M25 won't be as visually painful as falling into a pit of Scorpios - metallic aubergine Scorpios.
PS. Turbo BMWs. Have BMW successfully erased from history the M102 745i? Nearly every article about the 335i says "first turbo BMW since 2002", or even, "First ever turbocharged petrol BMW".
isnt that black car Monaco blue?
Guibo said:
panthro said:
Anyone know if this is faster than a E46 M3 round a track and point to point?
In a sraight line, the M3 is still marginally quicker, from the tests I've seen. Car and Driver recorded 0-60 in 4.9, 0-130 in 21.6 for the 335i. That compares with 4.8 and 20.3 for their M3 est (with SMG). Sport Auto recorded 0-200 kph in 18.1 for the manual M3, 20.7 for the 335i coupe.
The standard 3's have traditionally been under-tired, under-braked, and too soft compared to their M counterparts for serious track duty, so no surprise if the M3 is faster around a track. The M has benefit of that electronically controlled limited-slip with infinitely variable lockup; could be wrong, but I don't think the 335i has LSD. That being said, the 335i's performance in German tests fare quite favorably against the M3. 8:26 vs 8:22 at the Nurburgring, 1:17.8 vs 1:17.6 at the Hockenheim club circuit. On runflat tires too.
Edited by Guibo on Saturday 18th November 08:25
Jesus!...Are those figures for an 'ordinary' E46 M3 (i.e not CSL) correct?!...If they are I may have to reconsider my position! For some reason I'd never really taken that on-board.
With standard E46 M3's becoming much, much more affordable (i.e good cars going comfortably sub-£20K?) I may have to consider just getting one of them...stomaching any further depreciation and just enjoying the ride! I was going to hold out for a CSL (seem a bit 'stubborn' around the £34K mark at the moment?) but with the gap in value widening so much...?
panthro said:
Anyone know if this is faster than a E46 M3 round a track and point to point?
Well I have an M3 CS and gave my car here in Greece for a test and drove the 335. Unfortunately gyus the M3 was slower. The 335 is a M3 eater. In the Track although the M3 of course drive much better the 335 has so much torgue that gets behind the M3.
The M3 is Better in more open turns because od the Slip Diff and you can play with the car. i could not believe it either until I drove this thing. Also the 335 burn much more fuel that the M3
gremlindriver said:
Ugly and clinical looking, the typcal hallmark of every German car.
How strange... I happen to think many cars are ugly, but I wouldn't drop into that area just to tell people that own them that they drive an ugly car?
Gremlin: shouldn't you stick to the Ford section?
Edited by john_r on Friday 2nd February 15:47
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