Remapping a 330Ci

[gwatson]

Mr Whippy said:

Ferry to Norway, buy the kit, empty the bits out all over the back seat and boot, ask random Norway resident to liberally apply some oil to parts to make '2nd hand', ferry back, cash sale 2nd hand if anyone asks, et voila

Wonder what tax rate is if bought in Denmark... guessing they use €'s

Dave

Nice idea Dave In fact that was my original plan. But ESS have to charge tax when you pick the kit up off the shelf, to make it worse it'll be taxed local rates, which as any Norwegian will confirm is horrendous, around 45% I think. Bad deal all round.

Edited by gwatson on Thursday 26th July 16:35

[Mr Whippy]

So £3.5-4k for the basic 320bhp unit then, bugger, not as cheap, would certainly be fitting it myself if I did then

So, black 2001 330Ci Sport with leather or alcantara seats, and then M3 mirrors and the matte chrome inserts. Then a call to ESS

Anyone know the difference between a 330Ci Sport and M-Sport, or is there no such difference?

Dave

[Phil 46]

no difference with the engine between the two probably just looks etc.

I had mine remapped by Emaps a lot smoother now

[gwatson]

Mr Whippy said:

So £3.5-4k for the basic 320bhp unit then, bugger, not as cheap, would certainly be fitting it myself if I did then :heh

Dave

You can have my TS2 for less than that when the 135i is out

[Mr Whippy]

gwatson said:

Mr Whippy said:

So £3.5-4k for the basic 320bhp unit then, bugger, not as cheap, would certainly be fitting it myself if I did then :heh

Dave

You can have my TS2 for less than that when the 135i is out

Just curious what the difference is between a TS1/2 and a ZHP TS1/2 kit. The ZHP is marginally more, but appears to be pretty much identical bar 5bhp more.

Also, after reading more 330Ci threads, did the Z4 suffer from these 'laggy throttle' issues, and does the supercharger software remove this a little bit?

Also (last one), does the supercharger with the intercooler actually run hosing to the front bumper, or does it use an integral chargecooler (read the manifolds have some chargecooling capabilities?)... does this generate any perceptible lag from what you have heard?

Watched some of the ESS video's and it looks fast, and speak with someone involved with the ESS powered Loaded quite alot, and their chargecooled CSL seems to be as driveable as they come

Just curious around these supposed issues with throttle laginess... that said I have heard they can be reset with 10s stg2 then 10s off on the ignition making them sharper again!?

Thanks

Dave

edit: Ah just read it again, the TS2 has an manifold based chargecooler and then a heat exchanger rad for the front bumper, wheras the TS1 just has a standard intake manifold without the integrated chargecooler.

No worries about any charge lag there then

Can also see why the cost is significantly higher as it's quite a specialised part!

Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 27th July 14:17

[gwatson]

Mr Whippy said:

Also, after reading more 330Ci threads, did the Z4 suffer from these 'laggy throttle' issues, and does the supercharger software remove this a little bit?

Also (last one), does the supercharger with the intercooler actually run hosing to the front bumper, or does it use an integral chargecooler (read the manifolds have some chargecooling capabilities?)... does this generate any perceptible lag from what you have heard?

Well you answered your own question

The Z4 is the opposite to the E46, it's almost too accressive, please the sport button sharpens it up even further.

Yeah there is hosing going to the front bumper, but only two 1" hoses, very discreet.

Oh, no lag at all... that's the big selling point of the Twin Screw.

[car.chic]

So for big gains supercharging seems to be the way!!

Would it be as quick as an M3 supercharged?

To who's had it done, have you had any problems?

Regards,
Nicola

[Mr Whippy]

I think it'd be as quick as an M3 if you had the TS2 kit which gives the engine around 350bhp.

In the real world of roads and traffic it'll likely 'keep up' with an M3 without issue, but once you hit the track I think the lack of a differential and stock setup to deal with the power would make it not as fast as an M3.

From what Gwatson has mentioned it sounds like a bargain but only if you want that kind of car. The costs are lower to own one vs the M3 but once you've got a 330Ci and supercharged it you may well be looking at almost M3 money.

I think you'd have to experience the two cars, but don't forget to try out a B3 Alpina too, yet another take on a ~300bhp E46

Dave

[gwatson]

Mr Whippy said:

I think it'd be as quick as an M3 if you had the TS2 kit which gives the engine around 350bhp.

In the real world of roads and traffic it'll likely 'keep up' with an M3 without issue, but once you hit the track I think the lack of a differential and stock setup to deal with the power would make it not as fast as an M3.

From what Gwatson has mentioned it sounds like a bargain but only if you want that kind of car. The costs are lower to own one vs the M3 but once you've got a 330Ci and supercharged it you may well be looking at almost M3 money.

I think you'd have to experience the two cars, but don't forget to try out a B3 Alpina too, yet another take on a ~300bhp E46

Dave

It's without a doubt quicker than an M3, even quicker than a Z4M in a straight line. As for the M3 and Z4M, well one of the benefits of day to day use of the Z4 3.0 is you can turn off traction control but keep on stability control on, allowing you to drive faster with that backup of stability control, where as the other two are either on or off...almost makes for nervous driving, just as well it doesn't have much torque

Sure, on a track I agree the Z4M would be quicker, but on the road (which is all I drive) I don't think there is a difference. The reason I went down the supercharged route is simply the drive. The Z4M is awesome when ringing it's neck, but horrible to drive around town... drives like a 2.0 when the revs are below 6K, where as the supercharged 3.0 has the low down torque of a diesel yet the upper power of an Z4M... can't lose

For me it's about owning something different.... and yes running costs are certainly lower, but you do have to be perpared for little niggles, nothing major. As long as it's a fairly low mileage and well maintained car you won't have an issue. It's the folk who supercharge a 100K 330i ex rep car that experience the problems.

Oh and a supercharged M3 will kill most things on the road, my Z4 wouldn't stand a chance

G

[Mr Whippy]

I think the M3 vs 330Ci charged is a tougher choice as M3's are getting cheaper (just from looking at classifieds, a good 330Ci + a charger is knocking on £18k+ and a few nice M3's around £20k...
The Z4 3.0 charged vs MZ4 is alot more clear cut purely on price/depreciation and running costs though.

Just watch the video's of the Z4 on the ESS website, it's quite brutal really, goes like a big V8 but sounds like a 335Ci with a touch of whine over the top, quite lovely actually!
I can only imagine how fast and impressive the Simpson Motorsport Z4 is with it's CSL diff/back-end, wheels and tyres and numerous other mods! I bet it didn't cost much over £30k all in with a £20k Z4 to start with.

The chargers on the M3/CSL engine are quite nutty. The Loaded car has run one for what must be many thousands of miles, alot on the Ring and various other tracks very hard, and it's tuned up around 580bhp at the wheels now on a centrifugal blower. Damn impressive and just shows how effective supercharging the BMW engines is!

Didn't know that about the DSC/TC Gwatson, quite interesting and I bet that it can make the car a bit more playful for road silliness vs the M3!

Dave