850 CSi or Ci anyone?

[burriana]

Well, the Griff has gone and due to a misconstrued discussion (or selective hearing on Vic's part!) I am under threat of certain divorce if I dare spend even more money and get the Ferrari BEFORE the new appt in Spain has sold (I'm sure I agreed "sorted" as in rented, but I'm not going to win).

Henceforth, unless a REAL bargain of a 348 comes along, I need something that will tide me over for a year or two.

I have, after many conversations with an old and trusted friend (that'll be you Talkwrench ) decided that a 2+2 supercar Grand Tourer, that looks different from nearly anything else on the road, has a big road presence, is built properly, goes like stink and will still keep me nice and cool in the heat of summ ... forget that ... in the heat of Spain or France, would actually be a pretty damn good move ...

and I have always loved the look of them.

Ideally I would love an 850 CSi, but I think the price is prohibitive for a decent one.

The second choice is an 850 Ci - obviously not as quick, but with Motorsport suspension, a couple of chips and a straightforward M5 diff swap I am led to believe they can be made to barrel along at a fair old lick.

I know a lot of people say that the late 4.4 Ci Sport would be the better option, but i am led to believe that the torque takes a fair few revs to come into it's own. Basically, I was advised that knowing the sort of driving I do, I may be a little dissapointed with the 840 Ci S. Obviously, you can get a lot younger model for the money, but i think I could only be tempted by a manual ... and i believe there were only three RHD manual made, and one of them went to NZ!


So ... if anyone knows of a nice 850 CSi or 850 Ci please let me know preferably under 100k miles. I know of a very very nice Ci available, but I am just testing the water to see if there happens to be a good Hellrot CSi out there in need of a quick sale that i don't know about yet!


Although i would have been very tempted by a 4.4 Like this


Oh, and if there are any other good sites to search on I would be grateful for a pointer.

Thanks in advance

al.

Edited by burriana on Tuesday 17th July 21:18

[belleair302]

Drop Alex at Munich Legends a line and see if he can help. You may not get the cheapest car around, but you will certainly get a well maintained car and ML seem to shift a fair number of 8 series.

Also have a look at the BMW Owners Club Forum to see what is currently available.

[Podie]

Al - cheap as chips this one... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/203979.htm

[Bodo]

From driving 750 and late 740s from that era, I had the impression that the eight cylinder cars are a lot sportier than the V12s, even with slush box. The 5sp auto is well balanced, surprisingly quick adapting to your driving habits, and allows in combination with the 4.4 litre engine effortless acceleration from still stand, when four-cylinder cars need to rev their valves off.

BMW quoted very similar performance figures for both variants, and limited the V8 to 240km/h and the V12 to the usual 250km/h. Looks to me like they needed to help the V12 to be the quicker car on paper. I'd certainly consider the V8s for buying as well. You might buy an LHD anyway, if you focus on driving on the continent, so the manual box comes a little closer by being more available

[Mustard]

Dont be put off by the lack of info, IIRC when it was 1st advertised it was Red and had a sensible mileage on it and looked in good shape from the pictures.... In short worth following up

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/186631.htm


or this one is seriously good value....

here



1993 119000 miles Calypso Red Motorsport M8 BMW 850 CSi. 5.6Ltr. 6 Speed manual gearbox. Rare opportunity to aquire this fabulous vehicle. 1 previous owner. Was bought with only 500 miles on the clock. Serviced regularly. High performance sports tyres fitted on motorsport wheels. No accidents or damage. Front spoiler has just been professionally resprayed. 6 Disc CD auto changer. 21.4 average mpg - more on a run. Immaculate condition. Long MOT. Only 17 imported into UK. The SSN 850 private number plate included. No time wasters please. Buyers over 25yrs only. Reason for sale: moving to a country location and now impractical. The calypso red colour is the most sought after for the BMW 8 Series. Herefordshire. £8,000


Private Seller:
Contact number: 01531 660571 or 07948 276908


The One of 17 must refer to the colour (160rhd 850CSi imported)
Al If its of interest and you were serious its pretty local to me (and I happen to be off work this week) so could give it a look over regards condition and history (though you'd want to get it proffesionally checked out mechanic)

Edited by Mustard on Wednesday 18th July 01:14

[burriana]

Podie said:

Al - cheap as chips this one... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/203979.htm

I have seen that Pods, the only thing is, i believe the 840i is the 4.0 and may be too sluggish (also they have have nicasil issues) whereas the 4.4 does not.

[Podie]

burriana said:

Podie said:

Al - cheap as chips this one... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/203979.htm

I have seen that Pods, the only thing is, i believe the 840i is the 4.0 and may be too sluggish (also they have have nicasil issues) whereas the 4.4 does not.

Aye... but at that price you could have 2!

[burriana]

Mustard said:

Dont be put off by the lack of info, IIRC when it was 1st advertised it was Red and had a sensible mileage on it and looked in good shape from the pictures.... In short worth following up

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/186631.htm

Hi Mustard - I have spoken to the owner of this who, given the benefit of the doubt, seems genuine, but was very niaive when he bought the car. It has no service history, so he put it straight into his local main dealer and had them do a major service and go through it with a fine tooth combe. He spent £4500 of which I have seen a PDF of the 5 page receipt.

Unfortunately, he didn't do the simple common sense check and ask a main dealer to print out a history of it's previous dealer visits. I did. On paper there appears to be a significant discrepancy in the mileage.

Mustard said:

or this one is seriously good value....



Al If its of interest and you were serious its pretty local to me (and I happen to be off work this week) so could give it a look over regards condition and history (though you'd want to get it proffesionally checked out mechanic)

I did spot this one straight away and forwarded it to Talkwrench to see what he thought. the obvious question has to be, why is it so cheap ... and for a CSi it is VERY cheap.

Ok, the colour must be one of the worst that they did, I have never even seen one in that colour before, but there must be some reason that it is that price. If it was spot on I would have it like a shot!

This is one car that I simply cannot afford to pay top dollar for as I will need to be able to sell it without taking a massive hit when the time comes to get the 348.

As ever, thanks for your time so far guys

[Podie]

Al,

Did some surfing...

1999/T BMW 840 SPORT 4.4 Tiptronic
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...

1997 BMW 8 SERIES 840 CSi
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...

1996 BMW 840i 4.4 V8
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...

1998 BMW 840 Ci Sport
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...

[Podie]

BMW 840 Ci Sport 4.4 - http://www.compucars.co.uk/vehicle-details.asp?mak...

[Podie]

BMW 850CI V12 - http://www.motorsportads.co.uk/classic-historic-no...

no pics

[Podie]

1991 BMW 850 V12 - http://www.allsportscars.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=187

[Podie]

BMW 850 CSI, MOTORSPORT - http://www.bedfordcarsales.co.uk/page.asp?id=159

[Podie]

BMW 850i - http://dealerservices.autotrader.co.uk/GetDealer.d...

[Podie]

Black 850Ci here - http://www.shelldrakes.co.uk/aboutus.html - click on the VIEW STOCK tab at the top... on second page.

Edit - actually dark blue

Edit - same car found here too... http://www.carsource.co.uk/car-details?ID=3V9SBRVQ...

Edited by Podie on Wednesday 18th July 10:49

[Podie]

C'mon Burriana... keep up!

[Mustard]

All ship shape HPI wise, (though looks like it ownership was transfer in 2002 most likely company to individual, husband to wife etc) as cherished plate was applied in 1995, which bears out the fact the guys had it since nearly new as stated in the add.... I'll get a contact to check it out on the BMW Service HIstory System.

It does look to have pedigree


MAKE BMW Year of Manufacture 1993
MODEL 850 CSI No. of Former Keepers 2
ENGINE SIZE 5576 cc Start Date Of Current Keeper Change 01/02/2002
COLOUR RED Previous Colour
FUEL Petrol Date Colour Changed
ENGINE No. 60330525 Gross Vehicle Weight 0(KG)
DATE OF REGISTRATION: 01/05/1993 Non EU DVLA Import Marker No


TOP PLATE TRANSFER HISTORY FOR: SSN850 RED BMW 850 CSI
Current Plate since: 23/08/1995

VRM Date Applied Alerts Stolen Finance VCAR Inspected
K701GFO 01/03/1994 0 0 0 0 0
ROL850 01/05/1993 0 0 0 0 0

[burriana]

Bloody hell Pods and Mustard ... outstanding stuff

I take it that you work in the car industry Mustard, hence access to Hpi?

I know everyone says that the cars will do stellar mileage (they said that about my 525 TDS untill the head cracked at 165k! ... but will i be able to sell it if it has say 140k miles after 2 years with me?

[Podie]

burriana said:

Bloody hell Pods and Mustard ... outstanding stuff

Not bothered with Autotrader - thought I'd leave the easy catches to you

Not sure on the engine front, might be worth asking Iguana...?

Resale? Hmm... they're all ~100k TBH. I have three thoughts; 1) buy a sub 100k car and sell before the clock hits 6 figures. 2) Buy an absolute minter as it'll always sell. 3) 850 V12 is the most desired model in the range, so hold out for one of those. .

[Mustard]

burriana said:

Bloody hell Pods and Mustard ... outstanding stuff

I take it that you work in the car industry Mustard, hence access to Hpi?

I know everyone says that the cars will do stellar mileage (they said that about my 525 TDS untill the head cracked at 165k! ... but will i be able to sell it if it has say 140k miles after 2 years with me?

Have been know to assist her ladyship Madam Chimgirl with the odd purchasing inquiry!

An 8 is never going to be that easier thing to move on, but I guess with a CSi your always going to have rarity on your side (like comparing a 635CSi with an M635CSi) and I think history and provence come more into play than mileage

If you buy a low mileage example you risk paying through the nose for it and trashing its value (particulary on an 840Ci Sport)

Something like that Black Cheapie could make sense.... run it 2yrs and what you lost? No a fat lot!