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I've been keeping an eye on 645ci prices since the car was launched, they seem to be zooming downwards at quite an impressive rate.
The cheapest manual I've seen so far is £24K, and £18.5K for an auto 630, any idea why they're dropping so quickly?
And any thoughts when the depreciation tends to level off on cars like these? I'd probably be looking to get one in about a year, hopefully for mid to high teens, just wondering if this is feesable?
The cheapest manual I've seen so far is £24K, and £18.5K for an auto 630, any idea why they're dropping so quickly?
And any thoughts when the depreciation tends to level off on cars like these? I'd probably be looking to get one in about a year, hopefully for mid to high teens, just wondering if this is feesable?
They are cheap because few people want them. They are unreliable, forever in the dealers for software upgrades for this and that failure, they are overweight and they are Fugly.
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
8Tech said:
They are cheap because few people want them. They are unreliable, forever in the dealers for software upgrades for this and that failure, they are overweight and they are Fugly.
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
Well, that's a positive reply then You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
Thanks 8 - I appreciate your opinion. However, not exactly balanced is it? The 630 does 0-60 in under 6.5s so it's no slouch - what's your gripe? The looks are a personal thing - ok, it's no italian but it manages a presence lacking in it's competitors. The reliability is a big issue though - with so much reliance on electronics it could be a write off waiting to happen. BMW warranty required methinks.
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...Edited by VX Foxy on Saturday 27th October 10:01
8Tech said:
They are cheap because few people want them. They are unreliable, forever in the dealers for software upgrades for this and that failure, they are overweight and they are Fugly.
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
My 04 645 has done 35k miles.You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in that stylish boot though!
Most 645's were bought on spec before the car was even seen and few people could live with the styling and breakdowns so they were quickly traded out.
I know 2 buyers who cancelled their orders, and forfeited their deposits at the Dealer Launch party when they saw their cars on display! TRUE.
The 645 was SO bad, BMW brought out the 650 to try and detach itself with a new model. And why anyone would want a 630 with a 1-Series engine is beyond me.
Like having an M3 with an 1100cc engine!
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
Dealer Visits so far.
Service 1 (scheduled)
Micro filter change (scheduled)
Brake Fluid change (sheduled)
Faulty valve in windscreen washers (unscheduled)
Rattle on passenger seat belt hanger (unscheduled)
Service 2 (scheduled)
Front Brake pads (scheduled)
Also it's had tyres & tracking
Overweight compared to what? I guess other GT type cars weigh about the same as like the 6 they are packed with leather electric seats, air con, nav, etc etc etc.
As always, opinions differ, but my 6 has been a great car and I would have another without a thought.
Have to agree with you ive had a 645 Coupe which was then follwed by a 645 Cab which has now been replaced with a 650 Cab...
all three cars have been great and only one has been in for an unscheduled visit to the stealer's and that was when some jealous T**T decided he wanted to give my roof som extra vents and slashed it a few times....
My 650 has been to DMS and been remapped and delimited and have to say surprises a few owners of other so called exotica...Dont think im just biased to the 6 as i have an italian exotic of my own which has been to the stealers 6 times in two years and has cost more than id care to mention to maintain.....we have also just sold a Range Rover Sport which was a complete disaster....overall the 6 is a great all road car that i would recommend over and over again....
all three cars have been great and only one has been in for an unscheduled visit to the stealer's and that was when some jealous T**T decided he wanted to give my roof som extra vents and slashed it a few times....
My 650 has been to DMS and been remapped and delimited and have to say surprises a few owners of other so called exotica...Dont think im just biased to the 6 as i have an italian exotic of my own which has been to the stealers 6 times in two years and has cost more than id care to mention to maintain.....we have also just sold a Range Rover Sport which was a complete disaster....overall the 6 is a great all road car that i would recommend over and over again....
Big coupes seem to have always suffered this kind of depreciation. It is not because the 6 is a bad car. It is just the type of car that people just don't seem to buy used. The big Merc coupes drop like stones too.
The saloon variants like th S class/7 series have always taken a hammering too.
Lovely 'barge bargains' though aren't they? Unbelievable value for money on the used market. The depreciation is what makes a true 'rich-mans' play thing. Fuels costs pale into comparison.....
I say wait for a nice V8 at a good price and use the change for the fuel. Whilst the 630 is plenty fast, a BMW V8 is just such a lovely sounding engine....
The saloon variants like th S class/7 series have always taken a hammering too.
Lovely 'barge bargains' though aren't they? Unbelievable value for money on the used market. The depreciation is what makes a true 'rich-mans' play thing. Fuels costs pale into comparison.....
I say wait for a nice V8 at a good price and use the change for the fuel. Whilst the 630 is plenty fast, a BMW V8 is just such a lovely sounding engine....
VX Foxy said:
Thanks 8 - I appreciate your opinion. However, not exactly balanced is it? The 630 does 0-60 in under 6.5s so it's no slouch - what's your gripe? The looks are a personal thing - ok, it's no italian but it manages a presence lacking in it's competitors. The reliability is a big issue though - with so much reliance on electronics it could be a write off waiting to happen. BMW warranty required methinks.
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...
I would really like to see a 2 tonne car do 0-60 in 6.5 with a 3 litre in it. Whats the 0-60 on a 130i with half the weight? Also, take a look at some of the 6-Series forums and they are complaint after complaint. BMW North America have been forced to take back many, many cars under their "Lemon Law", many being replaced by 650's or refunds. I cannot remember any other car in BMW history with that record. Please also remember, most reading and responding to this are 6-Series owners and enthusiasts, the unhappy and downright angry owners/ex-owners are not here to voice their experiences. I am a BMW technician so I see them all! Thats why I say, look at 6-Series forums for an un-biased view.Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...Edited by VX Foxy on Saturday 27th October 10:01
Edited by 8Tech on Saturday 27th October 17:34
8Tech said:
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
I completely retract my previous outburst, this must be correct, 8Tech's a techy and knows better than the combined might of M division's engine muppets. The V10 is clearly a hopeless powerplant.An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 27th October 18:45
8Tech said:
VX Foxy said:
Thanks 8 - I appreciate your opinion. However, not exactly balanced is it? The 630 does 0-60 in under 6.5s so it's no slouch - what's your gripe? The looks are a personal thing - ok, it's no italian but it manages a presence lacking in it's competitors. The reliability is a big issue though - with so much reliance on electronics it could be a write off waiting to happen. BMW warranty required methinks.
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...
I would really like to see a 2 tonne car do 0-60 in 6.5 with a 3 litre in it. Whats the 0-60 on a 130i with half the weight? Also, take a look at some of the 6-Series forums and they are complaint after complaint. BMW North America have been forced to take back many, many cars under their "Lemon Law", many being replaced by 650's or refunds. I cannot remember any other car in BMW history with that record. Please also remember, most reading and responding to this are 6-Series owners and enthusiasts, the unhappy and downright angry owners/ex-owners are not here to voice their experiences. I am a BMW technician so I see them all! Thats why I say, look at 6-Series forums for an un-biased view.Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...Edited by VX Foxy on Saturday 27th October 10:01
Edited by 8Tech on Saturday 27th October 17:34
Yes, I'm a six series owner, are you suggesting that my response is in some way untrue?
anonymous said:
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Correct, and if M division were more focussed on quality rather than commercial considerations, the cars would not keep fracturing oil pipes that pour oil all over the exhaust to catch fire due to the cyclic out of balance of a V10.Why a V10? Because it was commercially a good ad from the F1 cars.
ooo look, we now have an M tech V8 in the 3 series. I wonder where that came from....F1 possibly?
M division are now slaves to the accountants at BMW unfortunately and it is now showing, like it or not.
Roger645 said:
8Tech said:
VX Foxy said:
Thanks 8 - I appreciate your opinion. However, not exactly balanced is it? The 630 does 0-60 in under 6.5s so it's no slouch - what's your gripe? The looks are a personal thing - ok, it's no italian but it manages a presence lacking in it's competitors. The reliability is a big issue though - with so much reliance on electronics it could be a write off waiting to happen. BMW warranty required methinks.
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...
I would really like to see a 2 tonne car do 0-60 in 6.5 with a 3 litre in it. Whats the 0-60 on a 130i with half the weight? Also, take a look at some of the 6-Series forums and they are complaint after complaint. BMW North America have been forced to take back many, many cars under their "Lemon Law", many being replaced by 650's or refunds. I cannot remember any other car in BMW history with that record. Please also remember, most reading and responding to this are 6-Series owners and enthusiasts, the unhappy and downright angry owners/ex-owners are not here to voice their experiences. I am a BMW technician so I see them all! Thats why I say, look at 6-Series forums for an un-biased view.Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...Edited by VX Foxy on Saturday 27th October 10:01
Edited by 8Tech on Saturday 27th October 17:34
Yes, I'm a six series owner, are you suggesting that my response is in some way untrue?
And take a look here, I didn't even have to find a page to prove my point.
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e63/
Get out of THAT!
derestrictor said:
8Tech said:
Then you have the awful M6, do they come standard with fire extinguishers yet?
An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
I completely retract my previous outburst, this must be correct, 8Tech's a techy and knows better than the combined might of M division's engine muppets. The V10 is clearly a hopeless powerplant.An out of balance V10 that sounds like a skeleton having a w..k in a dustbin and 12-15 mpg........thats real inviting, but then it will probably catch fire before it blows up anyway, then you can loose 30K sliding it back to the dealers.
Thats why they're cheap.
Thanks for clearing that up.
That will be the ones that built the M3 with con rods that fall out the side of the engine and V10's that shatter oil hoses, and not lets forget that Nikasil gem.
They design and build them, we have to fix them when it all goes horribly wrong. If they are so good, you buy one out of warranty period. We can always do with the work!
Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 27th October 18:45
8Tech said:
Roger645 said:
8Tech said:
VX Foxy said:
Thanks 8 - I appreciate your opinion. However, not exactly balanced is it? The 630 does 0-60 in under 6.5s so it's no slouch - what's your gripe? The looks are a personal thing - ok, it's no italian but it manages a presence lacking in it's competitors. The reliability is a big issue though - with so much reliance on electronics it could be a write off waiting to happen. BMW warranty required methinks.
Anyway. How cheap is this!?!http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...
I would really like to see a 2 tonne car do 0-60 in 6.5 with a 3 litre in it. Whats the 0-60 on a 130i with half the weight? Also, take a look at some of the 6-Series forums and they are complaint after complaint. BMW North America have been forced to take back many, many cars under their "Lemon Law", many being replaced by 650's or refunds. I cannot remember any other car in BMW history with that record. Please also remember, most reading and responding to this are 6-Series owners and enthusiasts, the unhappy and downright angry owners/ex-owners are not here to voice their experiences. I am a BMW technician so I see them all! Thats why I say, look at 6-Series forums for an un-biased view.Anyway. How cheap is this!?!
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/BMW+...Edited by VX Foxy on Saturday 27th October 10:01
Edited by 8Tech on Saturday 27th October 17:34
Yes, I'm a six series owner, are you suggesting that my response is in some way untrue?
And take a look here, I didn't even have to find a page to prove my point.
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e63/
Get out of THAT!
Your suggestion in your earlier post was that my experience with the car might be somewhat suspect as we were owners and enthusiasts. So far in this thread we have had 3 positive responses about the reliability of the 6.
I really don't see why you come to this forum and have to be so confrontational, there are other techs who come here and offer excellent advice to owners rather than come here to slag off cars.
BTW the 630 weighs 1605 KG and not the 2 tonne as you suggest.
I'd be interested to find out what car you think us poor 6 series owners should be aspiring to!
I'll let you know when mine implodes.
Still trying to fathom (a)why the engine is so highly regarded 'generally' and (b)how confused I must have been to have actually bought one when it seems by your reckoning the storming driving experience may have cleverly tricked me into genuinely believing I'm having a pretty fair time when a-hooning.
I'm also waiting for the Vanos to go on my old M5 but again, don't let experience get in the way of a good diatribe.
So you're a tech with experience of a highly strung engine having the odd moment. Whatever can we do? Ah yes, fix it! And with the £60k I saved on any number of more obvious, Italian GTs, that's a few rebuilds.
There's nothing worse than 'look at me' spanner monkeys!
Still trying to fathom (a)why the engine is so highly regarded 'generally' and (b)how confused I must have been to have actually bought one when it seems by your reckoning the storming driving experience may have cleverly tricked me into genuinely believing I'm having a pretty fair time when a-hooning.
I'm also waiting for the Vanos to go on my old M5 but again, don't let experience get in the way of a good diatribe.
So you're a tech with experience of a highly strung engine having the odd moment. Whatever can we do? Ah yes, fix it! And with the £60k I saved on any number of more obvious, Italian GTs, that's a few rebuilds.
There's nothing worse than 'look at me' spanner monkeys!
Well I hope you all continue with your good fortune and enjoy your cars which you obviously enjoy and are very satisfied with. My response to the enquiry as to why they lose so much money still stands though. Whatever my feelings are towards the car is irrelevant, the styling, whilst obviously to your taste is not to most peoples, there are a lot of reliability issues whether you have experienced them or not and this all adds up to a car that loses money badly, and that is the response I gave.
You feel it "so confrontational" because I do not see you as top dog with your £60K coupe? No, not at all, do you think everyone should like your car because you can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the boot?
Sure, I see thousands of cars going through the workshop and you soon get to see what cars have problems and those that do not.
You have come to the defence of your cars and the original posters can determine from all they have heard as to make the decision on whether to buy one. IF I desired one, it would HAVE to be the 650 as a lot of the serious software issues were solved by then and it would still be possible to get a BMW extended warranty on it. I believe from 3 years on, BMW are now asking SERIOUS money for extended warranties on 645's. (£1500+)
There is also no need to try slagging off technicians who spend all day fixing your cars, we actually know them better than anyone, especially you, and if designers were made to work on some of the shit they produce, the cars would be so much better, and cheaper to fix.
You ask what car you should have instead of a 6 and say how much you have saved over Italian exotics?
Thats a matter of taste and budget isnt it. I would personally have a year old Aston DB9 or maybe an Audi RS6. Cost of ownership over a 3 year period would be LESS because it would lose less value!
Good luck with your cars and I hope you continue with your good fortune.
You feel it "so confrontational" because I do not see you as top dog with your £60K coupe? No, not at all, do you think everyone should like your car because you can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the boot?
Sure, I see thousands of cars going through the workshop and you soon get to see what cars have problems and those that do not.
You have come to the defence of your cars and the original posters can determine from all they have heard as to make the decision on whether to buy one. IF I desired one, it would HAVE to be the 650 as a lot of the serious software issues were solved by then and it would still be possible to get a BMW extended warranty on it. I believe from 3 years on, BMW are now asking SERIOUS money for extended warranties on 645's. (£1500+)
There is also no need to try slagging off technicians who spend all day fixing your cars, we actually know them better than anyone, especially you, and if designers were made to work on some of the shit they produce, the cars would be so much better, and cheaper to fix.
You ask what car you should have instead of a 6 and say how much you have saved over Italian exotics?
Thats a matter of taste and budget isnt it. I would personally have a year old Aston DB9 or maybe an Audi RS6. Cost of ownership over a 3 year period would be LESS because it would lose less value!
Good luck with your cars and I hope you continue with your good fortune.
But getting right back to the price drop issue...
Personally, I actually quite like the look of them (and that's from someone who hasn't be exactly smitten with some other designs from 'The House of Bangle').
I don't know what they're like to drive or whether they're fast or not having never driven one.
I don't know whether they're reliable or not...
But what I would venture (perhaps as an ignorant outsider looking in) in terms of the price drop is this:
Isn't this what has always happened with BMW's (and most other companies who make such cars) big GT Coupes?
In my experience, BMW's big GT-type Coupes have traditionally been hugely expensive cars when new (perhaps bought by most buyers with the 'heart' more than the 'head'....and nothing wrong with that!) which have then seen quite large early drops on the secondhand market.
One thinks back to E9, E24 and E31. All massively expensive new...followed by rapid early drop?
Thus, I offer...the price drop isn't a function of something 'wrong' with this edition of the big BMW coupe; it's not do with whether it's fast enough, reliable enough or whether one person thinks it looks nice or another finds it ugly...it's just what always happens!
It's tradition!
Personally, I actually quite like the look of them (and that's from someone who hasn't be exactly smitten with some other designs from 'The House of Bangle').
I don't know what they're like to drive or whether they're fast or not having never driven one.
I don't know whether they're reliable or not...
But what I would venture (perhaps as an ignorant outsider looking in) in terms of the price drop is this:
Isn't this what has always happened with BMW's (and most other companies who make such cars) big GT Coupes?
In my experience, BMW's big GT-type Coupes have traditionally been hugely expensive cars when new (perhaps bought by most buyers with the 'heart' more than the 'head'....and nothing wrong with that!) which have then seen quite large early drops on the secondhand market.
One thinks back to E9, E24 and E31. All massively expensive new...followed by rapid early drop?
Thus, I offer...the price drop isn't a function of something 'wrong' with this edition of the big BMW coupe; it's not do with whether it's fast enough, reliable enough or whether one person thinks it looks nice or another finds it ugly...it's just what always happens!
It's tradition!
Edited by derin100 on Sunday 28th October 14:18
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