Do I really need a E39 M5?
Discussion
Boulder said:
At 150mph the 530d will be absolutely flat out with nothing left to give,the engine will be stressed as will the turbo and it will be using more fuel than an M5 which would be crusing around 4.5k revs.
Yes a 530D will be near its top speed at 150 mph, but engine stressed ?
I doubt it. BMW don't make cars like that, do they ?
I've never driven a 530D, but I can tell you my
530 does 3K rpm at 90 mph and 4K rpm at 120 mph.
I'm usually not looking at the dash when I'm doing
150 mph, but based on the above figures, I'd guess
it's doing about 5K rpm.
Redline is 6250 rpm IIRC.
Clearly the 530 D will have a different red line,
but then it's probably got a different gearbox
anyway.
As for the fuel comment, that's just plain silly.
Any 530 D will trump an M5 hollow for fuel
consumption at any speed.
For comparison, my 530 gets 25 mpg on Aachen
to Innsbruck style long autobahn runs running at
any sort of speed from zero to 154 mph.
No M5 is going to get anywhere near 25 mpg
at 150 mph, much less get anywhere near a 530 D,
capable of 40 mpg.
Boulder said:
The M5 gets a second wind at 140mph and you simply cannot have driven one if you are trying to compare a car which is twice as powerful as the other and will crack your 90mph comparison wide open by 15-20 car lengths.
And 15-20 car lengths is what ? half a second, one second ?Yes the M5 does give you prime bragging rights in any
pub chat, but in the real world, for half or a third
of the cost, you can buy a car which does a substantial
fraction of what an M5 can do.
Indeed, some dieselists would claim the 530D is
faster because it doesn't need filling up every
200-250 miles like the M5 does.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
Is this thread really comparing a 530d with an M5?
I notice the performance difference between my 530i and my fathers 530d and I'm not exactly a hard driver - an M5 is simply in another league!!!
That said despite my dream to one day own an E39 M5 I do keep finding myself asking what it does that my 530i Sport doesnt thats worth an extra £10k.
I notice the performance difference between my 530i and my fathers 530d and I'm not exactly a hard driver - an M5 is simply in another league!!!
That said despite my dream to one day own an E39 M5 I do keep finding myself asking what it does that my 530i Sport doesnt thats worth an extra £10k.
The single turbo in the '30d series cars is indeed sublime, pulling with real gusto yet filling the cabin with something not so damn far from a petrol Beemer's 6 potted mellifluence. I've driven several in 3, 5 and 7 forms and all impressed, deeply.
Yes, on a long distance eurotour, it may well be a (relative) hare unt tortoise scenario but an M5 is far more about how you get there.
Not for one moment - in E39 or E60 modes - can any petrol, much less oil burning variants, replicate any more than I'd say 60% of the //M variants' sheer involvement. That's not bias, either because I can empathise massively with those who chose turbocahrged oil o'er shreiking bansheedom.
Yes, on a long distance eurotour, it may well be a (relative) hare unt tortoise scenario but an M5 is far more about how you get there.
Not for one moment - in E39 or E60 modes - can any petrol, much less oil burning variants, replicate any more than I'd say 60% of the //M variants' sheer involvement. That's not bias, either because I can empathise massively with those who chose turbocahrged oil o'er shreiking bansheedom.
I forgot to mention (since it's pertinent) that en route chez moi the neet, I happened upon a tricked up E36 bazookad 3 series with one of the usual 'local fraternity' at the helm.
Unsurprisingly, young Shafiq was driving as dangerously as you can imagine so I kept a safe distance as he literally bounced off his bump stops at 11/10ths whilst -ve camber and fate conspired to configure whether or not he would make it across the moor still upright.
Contrastingly, whilst the M5 wasn't even thinking about breaking sweat, maybe using 4-5/10ths of it's compliance reserve, the 3 series was randomly and violently locking up and bobbing with worrying frequency and yet each time, the big 5 simply sailed up behind a tad closer making contemptuous, effortless progress as if to exemplify his hopeless endeavour.
As he ratcheted back up the speed, I naturally dropped back, expecting at any moment to see him flip over but mercifully, his narrowly avoided, self inflicted demise did not emerge to sully the journey yem but it had served as an abject lesson in the sublime realities of //M damping.
Night and day, night and day...
Unsurprisingly, young Shafiq was driving as dangerously as you can imagine so I kept a safe distance as he literally bounced off his bump stops at 11/10ths whilst -ve camber and fate conspired to configure whether or not he would make it across the moor still upright.
Contrastingly, whilst the M5 wasn't even thinking about breaking sweat, maybe using 4-5/10ths of it's compliance reserve, the 3 series was randomly and violently locking up and bobbing with worrying frequency and yet each time, the big 5 simply sailed up behind a tad closer making contemptuous, effortless progress as if to exemplify his hopeless endeavour.
As he ratcheted back up the speed, I naturally dropped back, expecting at any moment to see him flip over but mercifully, his narrowly avoided, self inflicted demise did not emerge to sully the journey yem but it had served as an abject lesson in the sublime realities of //M damping.
Night and day, night and day...
Edited by derestrictor on Wednesday 13th February 10:29
BOR, it's all relative.
I just accidentally found myself on another moorland route, DSC in it's less poopcentric mode...
It is a heavy car. Ok, not big AMG/Audi/Bentley interplantery mass but no 911, much less a serious lightweight.
This means that your 'pyschology' has to be suitable: you have to adopt a keen - sure - but nonetheless more deliberate approach to hooning, slow in/slow out classicism, if you will or just 8/10ths and frankly, that'll do nicely.
Revel in the laze of the rumbler up front and take your time weighing up steering angles: blip the throttle going in, it's just a great pastime and if the exit is flat enough {my routes rarely are, alas} you can boot it out in 2nd and attempt the 'default Evo photo' game...
Push too hard in the wrong sequence of twisting Caterham spec blacktop, however and yes, you will elicit chassis confusion and the grotty sensation of a handling aneurism will ensue - in such moments the uninitiated could condemn the car - a grave misjudgement.
I did just that, 6 years ago and it was no less an error: just like a man knowing his own so he must fathom his car's limitations but once you consider the relativities you appreciate the greatness and reconsider balance, steering weight and overall poise: it really is a sublime chunk to punt, it really is that mild mannered accounts manager who on a Sunday runs with C18, just for larks.
The regular cars just go to mush in such circumstances, the //Mer is a remarkable compromise.
I just accidentally found myself on another moorland route, DSC in it's less poopcentric mode...
It is a heavy car. Ok, not big AMG/Audi/Bentley interplantery mass but no 911, much less a serious lightweight.
This means that your 'pyschology' has to be suitable: you have to adopt a keen - sure - but nonetheless more deliberate approach to hooning, slow in/slow out classicism, if you will or just 8/10ths and frankly, that'll do nicely.
Revel in the laze of the rumbler up front and take your time weighing up steering angles: blip the throttle going in, it's just a great pastime and if the exit is flat enough {my routes rarely are, alas} you can boot it out in 2nd and attempt the 'default Evo photo' game...
Push too hard in the wrong sequence of twisting Caterham spec blacktop, however and yes, you will elicit chassis confusion and the grotty sensation of a handling aneurism will ensue - in such moments the uninitiated could condemn the car - a grave misjudgement.
I did just that, 6 years ago and it was no less an error: just like a man knowing his own so he must fathom his car's limitations but once you consider the relativities you appreciate the greatness and reconsider balance, steering weight and overall poise: it really is a sublime chunk to punt, it really is that mild mannered accounts manager who on a Sunday runs with C18, just for larks.
The regular cars just go to mush in such circumstances, the //Mer is a remarkable compromise.
Put simply, its the only place I can go after my 328 Sport - An M3 would just be, well, not quite naughty enough to warrant the cost to change.
I'm hanging off the Lord of The West's coat-tails waiting for him to upgrade to an E60 so I can buy his off him - he doesn't know it yet, but its the only deserving place for it to go
Either way, I've been purposely trying to avoid people who may throw me keys to an M5, becuase I know I'll be in a world of strife if I test one...
As it is, I'm happy learning the craft that is looking through the side windows, and soon, I may be worthy (that and earn enough).
and no, that doesn't mean tempt me either, you lot...
I'm hanging off the Lord of The West's coat-tails waiting for him to upgrade to an E60 so I can buy his off him - he doesn't know it yet, but its the only deserving place for it to go
Either way, I've been purposely trying to avoid people who may throw me keys to an M5, becuase I know I'll be in a world of strife if I test one...
As it is, I'm happy learning the craft that is looking through the side windows, and soon, I may be worthy (that and earn enough).
and no, that doesn't mean tempt me either, you lot...
Not usually one to boast but the beast gave a Modded R32GTR a suprise over a quiet stretch of the dales on sunday-do standard ones shoot 3ft flames out??
Suffice to say he was trying and it was a laugh,every time we went for an overtake the M5 took back a few lengths even though he nailed it first.The liner didnt pull in the twisties either suprisingly.
The M5 has such a great spread of power it really will take somethin serious to give you a hiding,very very effective road engine.
Suffice to say he was trying and it was a laugh,every time we went for an overtake the M5 took back a few lengths even though he nailed it first.The liner didnt pull in the twisties either suprisingly.
The M5 has such a great spread of power it really will take somethin serious to give you a hiding,very very effective road engine.
Having had the privilage of piloting DeRs M5 over a lot of miles in conditions bordering on biblically bad
to sublime sunshine I can safely say that the e39 M5 is the best allround car i've ever driven even moving it around
a car park is a treat. When that fabulous V8 fires up it's just music the handling flatters the most hamfisted of drivers. Now the only reason I dont own one is I only want Ders and he wont sell it to me yet!!!!
So I make do with my newly aquired e39 528i and very nice it is too be it never will be an M5.
Now Der where's the keys I just need to go to the warehouse again (via Bodmin moor!!!!)
Regards Gandalf.................................
to sublime sunshine I can safely say that the e39 M5 is the best allround car i've ever driven even moving it around
a car park is a treat. When that fabulous V8 fires up it's just music the handling flatters the most hamfisted of drivers. Now the only reason I dont own one is I only want Ders and he wont sell it to me yet!!!!
So I make do with my newly aquired e39 528i and very nice it is too be it never will be an M5.
Now Der where's the keys I just need to go to the warehouse again (via Bodmin moor!!!!)
Regards Gandalf.................................
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