E46 320D - DMS remap?
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I've currently got an E46 320D - it's an ES, but has some nice extra's on it inc. the 17" alloys, sports seats with electric lumbar support, sports pack suspension, tow pack (although totally unused!) and BMW Business 6 CD changer.
Anyway, I've been thinking about changing it and batting about various other ideas - 330Ci, 330D, E36 M3, etc etc, but most have been dismissed for various reasons. E36 M3 isn't "good/quick" enough to warrant the extra fuel expense, the 330Ci seems surprisingly economical but insurance is being a bit of a killer (over double my current premium!), 330D's are over priced and all are high mileage, and although I fancy a coupe, most 320Cd's don't seem to have all the nice extras I'd like, or have relatively high mileages.
So i'm stuck. I don't want a higher mileage car than I've currently got (an admittedly moderate 50,000 miles) and don't wanna loose the lovely seats, however much I'd like an M-Sport bodykit or a coupe!! So I looked at chipping it, and DMS seem to be the guru's on this subject for BMW's.
Has anyone else had a 320D (150bhp) chipped by DMS? Was it worth it? Price is around £580 which is pretty steep for a bit of software but if I get 330D performance then its cheaper than selling my car and buying another!! I've been quoted 150bhp --> 190bhp and 330Nm --> 395Nm, so pretty impressive gains and just better than an early 330D (184bhp and 390Nm respectively).
Any opinions/experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Anyway, I've been thinking about changing it and batting about various other ideas - 330Ci, 330D, E36 M3, etc etc, but most have been dismissed for various reasons. E36 M3 isn't "good/quick" enough to warrant the extra fuel expense, the 330Ci seems surprisingly economical but insurance is being a bit of a killer (over double my current premium!), 330D's are over priced and all are high mileage, and although I fancy a coupe, most 320Cd's don't seem to have all the nice extras I'd like, or have relatively high mileages.
So i'm stuck. I don't want a higher mileage car than I've currently got (an admittedly moderate 50,000 miles) and don't wanna loose the lovely seats, however much I'd like an M-Sport bodykit or a coupe!! So I looked at chipping it, and DMS seem to be the guru's on this subject for BMW's.
Has anyone else had a 320D (150bhp) chipped by DMS? Was it worth it? Price is around £580 which is pretty steep for a bit of software but if I get 330D performance then its cheaper than selling my car and buying another!! I've been quoted 150bhp --> 190bhp and 330Nm --> 395Nm, so pretty impressive gains and just better than an early 330D (184bhp and 390Nm respectively).
Any opinions/experiences would be greatly appreciated.
But then you'd want to chip a 330D 
Also, something else to think about.. If you are intending to do things by the book, then you'll likely find its cheaper and easier to insure a higher powered standard car (330D) than it is to insure a smaller engined but modified car. IE a chipped 320D.
Once you start tweaking cars, insurance really can become a pain in the arse.
P,
Also, something else to think about.. If you are intending to do things by the book, then you'll likely find its cheaper and easier to insure a higher powered standard car (330D) than it is to insure a smaller engined but modified car. IE a chipped 320D.
Once you start tweaking cars, insurance really can become a pain in the arse.
P,
Hi PJR,
There's a few factors to think about here I think. Firstly, road tax on my car is £115 for the year, on a 330D this would be £165 - ok only a tank of fuel difference but it all adds up.
Secondly, the 330D gets 42 mpg to the 320D's 49mpg - ok, I don't actually get 49mpg out of my car but I imagine both cars would be proportionally less. Chipping the 320D supposedly gives better fuel economy!
Thirdly, insurance. Just having a car chipped is highly unlikely to raise the premium that much, a 330D will cost me an extra £250/annum at least I reckon!
Finally, there's the hassle of selling my car and the cost of buying another. I don't think mine would be hard to sell, but finding a suitable replacement would be. As I said, all the 330D's in my budget are extortionately overpriced for what they are - anyone who spends the best part of £15k on a car with approaching 100,000 miles on the clock needs their head testing, yet people seem to do just that!! FWIW, I'd advertise my 50,000 miles nicely spec'd 320D for about £10k, which I think is good value.
So, that's what has led me to DMS - its by far the cheapest option to give me the sort of performance I desire - whilst of course I'd prefer a DMS remapped 330D, that is likely to cost me an extra £4k all told!!
There's a few factors to think about here I think. Firstly, road tax on my car is £115 for the year, on a 330D this would be £165 - ok only a tank of fuel difference but it all adds up.
Secondly, the 330D gets 42 mpg to the 320D's 49mpg - ok, I don't actually get 49mpg out of my car but I imagine both cars would be proportionally less. Chipping the 320D supposedly gives better fuel economy!
Thirdly, insurance. Just having a car chipped is highly unlikely to raise the premium that much, a 330D will cost me an extra £250/annum at least I reckon!
Finally, there's the hassle of selling my car and the cost of buying another. I don't think mine would be hard to sell, but finding a suitable replacement would be. As I said, all the 330D's in my budget are extortionately overpriced for what they are - anyone who spends the best part of £15k on a car with approaching 100,000 miles on the clock needs their head testing, yet people seem to do just that!! FWIW, I'd advertise my 50,000 miles nicely spec'd 320D for about £10k, which I think is good value.
So, that's what has led me to DMS - its by far the cheapest option to give me the sort of performance I desire - whilst of course I'd prefer a DMS remapped 330D, that is likely to cost me an extra £4k all told!!
Hi Mike. I do not have a 320d. But i do have a 335d which was re-mapped by DMS and i cant praise the company enough. Very proffesional and the car is now a monster. My fuel consumption has not changed and the car is more eager to go all the time.
Go for it, you will enjoy the extra performance. Well worth the money spent and you will get a warranty also.
Carlos
Go for it, you will enjoy the extra performance. Well worth the money spent and you will get a warranty also.
Carlos
I had my 330d remapped by e-maps (www.e-maps.co.uk), what a difference, e-maps is run by a guy called simon, very good guy and if you do a search on bmwland forum (www.bmwland.co.uk)you will find 90% of the people on there have had their bmw remapped by him, he doesnt need to advertise because all his work comes from recommendations, and the best bit is the cost - mine was £299. Do it!
I Have had a quote for my 320D from EMAPS.
Simon says:
The BMW 2.0d engine we can take from 150bhp up to 175bhp and the torque
from
330nm up to 390nm giving a very impressive performance gain and all
within
safe design tolerance of the engine and drive train components.
On site for £349 bargin,
PM me if you need a contact for Simon
Simon says:
The BMW 2.0d engine we can take from 150bhp up to 175bhp and the torque
from
330nm up to 390nm giving a very impressive performance gain and all
within
safe design tolerance of the engine and drive train components.
On site for £349 bargin,
PM me if you need a contact for Simon
Gusbang said:
I had my 330d remapped by e-maps...and the best bit is the cost - mine was £299. Do it!
Jem0911 said:
I Have had a quote for my 320D from EMAPS...On site for £349
I was thinking about contacting Simon for a quote on my 330Cd after seeing nothing but praise for his service, over on BMWLand...I wonder what accounts for the (fairly significany % wise) price difference between these two maps?Rusty
Edited by RustyShackleford on Friday 29th February 22:26
Well DMS are offering 195bhp and 395Nm of torque, to Emap's 185bhp and 390Nm of of torque - and it has to be said, if Emap's are £299 and DMS are £580 then I'd go for the Emap option!!
I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
Mike_C said:
Well DMS are offering 195bhp and 395Nm of torque, to Emap's 185bhp and 390Nm of of torque - and it has to be said, if Emap's are £299 and DMS are £580 then I'd go for the Emap option!!
I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
Think you may be fogetting that DMS offer a full warranty on your engine/turbo and gearbox should they fail and BMW dont uphold the warranty!I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
No other company offer such warranties.
dxb335d said:
Mike_C said:
Well DMS are offering 195bhp and 395Nm of torque, to Emap's 185bhp and 390Nm of of torque - and it has to be said, if Emap's are £299 and DMS are £580 then I'd go for the Emap option!!
I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
Think you may be fogetting that DMS offer a full warranty on your engine/turbo and gearbox should they fail and BMW dont uphold the warranty!I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
No other company offer such warranties.
Mike_C said:
dxb335d said:
Mike_C said:
Well DMS are offering 195bhp and 395Nm of torque, to Emap's 185bhp and 390Nm of of torque - and it has to be said, if Emap's are £299 and DMS are £580 then I'd go for the Emap option!!
I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
Think you may be fogetting that DMS offer a full warranty on your engine/turbo and gearbox should they fail and BMW dont uphold the warranty!I wonder what DMS do to get the extra 10bhp and 5Nm though? Whatever it is, it's not £280's worth!!
I was also pointed by a local specialist to a company called Diagnos, but for £425 (specialist quoted £460 - cheeky bugger!) they only take it to 165bhp and 350Nm - pretty pathetic for that price IMO!!
No other company offer such warranties.
Go on BMWland, loads of casing of blown engines and turbos on their.
Mike_C said:
Really? I thought these engines were supremely robust?! Is that tuned or standard engines?
Standard and tuned... 320d usually.A flap i think on the inlet manifold breaks off an lunches the turbo and sometimes engine. Its nothing to do with tuning its just the design. Preventative measures can be taken mate!
Here's the relevant threads;
Swirl Flap thread;
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/viewtopic.php?t=53451
Swirl Flap removal;
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/viewtopic.php?t=67930
Swirl Flap thread;
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/viewtopic.php?t=53451
Swirl Flap removal;
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/viewtopic.php?t=67930
RustyShackleford said:
Gusbang said:
I had my 330d remapped by e-maps...and the best bit is the cost - mine was £299. Do it!
Jem0911 said:
I Have had a quote for my 320D from EMAPS...On site for £349
I was thinking about contacting Simon for a quote on my 330Cd after seeing nothing but praise for his service, over on BMWLand...I wonder what accounts for the (fairly significany % wise) price difference between these two maps?Rusty
Edited by RustyShackleford on Friday 29th February 22:26
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