x5 3.0SD PURCHASE
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dazren said:
[TW]Fox said:
mpgrant5 said:
I have a a o7 x5 3.0d i am looking to part x for 3.0sd msport
Why? Your car is a whole year old, do you have money burning a hole in your bank account or something? Whats the new one going to do for you bar have an 08 plate to make the neighbours go 'woooo'?Dont think I will understand people who change year old cars for another one more or less exactly the same or in this case worse, whoever thought low profile tyres and a bodykit on an offroad vehicle was a good idea..
Drove a mates car yesterday morning at a test facility. Absolutely bonkers how this thing gets to 130mph and sneaks in below the £25 kengestion charge. Staggering.
Edited by pgilc1 on Friday 11th April 13:59
gizlaroc said:
I can't believe this forum at times, people on here are supposed to love cars, and people are asking why someone would want to change to something they like better than they have now??
No, people are asking why someone would want to change to something largely identical to what they have now. There is a different.Plus it's not like we are talking about typical PH'ers car like an Elise, 911 or M3, it's an offroader for Chelsea housewives
It isnt a car you chose becuase of a love of cars, its a car you chose becuase you want to have 'presence'.
Edited by [TW]Fox on Wednesday 9th April 21:38
gizlaroc said:
I can't believe this forum at times, people on here are supposed to love cars, and people are asking why someone would want to change to something they like better than they have now??
If something better comes along and you can afford it, why not??
If the change from an 3.0d SE to a 3.0sd M Sport is worth £10,000 to you then great. If something better comes along and you can afford it, why not??
I bough a new 535d in May, and traded it in for a new X5 in Nov, so i'm hardly in a position to advise anyone to be prudent. I guess if you've taken one on an extended test drive and you feel its significant enough a change to warrant the money then cool.
[TW]Fox said:
gizlaroc said:
I can't believe this forum at times, people on here are supposed to love cars, and people are asking why someone would want to change to something they like better than they have now??
No, people are asking why someone would want to change to something largely identical to what they have now. There is a different.Plus it's not like we are talking about typical PH'ers car like an Elise, 911 or M3, it's an offroader for Chelsea housewives
It isnt a car you chose becuase of a love of cars, its a car you chose becuase you want to have 'presence'.
Edited by [TW]Fox on Wednesday 9th April 21:38
For a start changing for something almost the same, but slightly better, means it has to be a bit special to buy it twice, surely?
Most people would want to buy something completely different if they were buying it to impress the nieghbours.
Your comments make me think you are the sort of person that buys a car because of what others think, if someone swaps a 3.0d over for a 3.0sd will the nieghbours even know? I doubt it.
Just because it is not your choice of car doesn't mean it is not a car lovers car. It will handle and outpace 90% of the cars on the road.
I choose a 535d sport touring over and x5 because it was more the sort of car I was into, and even that was a compromise. But there is a hell of a difference between a 3.0d and a 3.0sd, and then if you tune the 3,0sd it is a hole new ball game again.
I am in Norfolk, so a 4x4 seems to serve a purpose here, it is the 911 that only ever sees the city that is more of the footballers car in my eyes.
Not saying I wouldn't have a C2S over an X5 sd, but let's not be too one sided about this.
We tend to buy cars because we like them, we could all manage with a feck off boring cheapo etsate, but we don't.
Edited by gizlaroc on Wednesday 9th April 23:33
gizlaroc said:
But there is a hell of a difference between a 3.0d and a 3.0sd, and then if you tune the 3,0sd it is a hole new ball game again.
I would beg to differ. There is a one second difference in the 0-60 times, and in day to day driving the difference will be the sd probably wont kick down as often as it wont have to. The 0-60 time advantage is easily reduced or removed with a £400 remap.Also it handles well for its size, but its certainly no sports car and feels every ounce of its 2+ tonnes weight. 'Agile' is not a word that springs to mind.
As a previous driver of a remapped 535d, i really didnt see the point in a 4x4 that in remapped form was cracking 0-60 in six odd seconds, only to have to stand on the brakes harder to get it round corners. Most decent hot hatches will out corner you anyway, unless the traffic light grand prix is your only priority.
My opinion is, if you want a sports car, buy a sports car. Just dont pretend a 4x4 jeep is one.
do you really feel the o/p would be getting value for money spending £10000 to move from your car to an SD?
Edited by pgilc1 on Friday 11th April 14:13
I do tend to agree with you, in fact I have gone completely the other way and bought an Efficient Dynamics 320d sport touring and I loved my last tankful at 54mpg, it is tuned to 210bhp and is a great everyday car and all I need for doing 30k miles a year sat in traffic on the M11, M25, M6 etc. etc.
I just find it funny that on a forum of car nuts, where our hearts are meant to rule our heads, people tell the guy he is an idiot for considering a change to a sport version with a nicer engine.
When I said agile compared to many cars out there I was thinking more along the lines of things like an S-Line A6 Avant, I think the E70 is amazing handling wise compared to many 'sporty saloons' that people buy.
Another thing worth considering is if you are not paying cash, and are financing, a 3.0sd sport is cheaper each month than the 3.0d SE, purely because of residuals, so if he can get out of the SE and still get good money I would, it may be cheaper to do it now than stick in the SE for another 12-24 months?
I just find it funny that on a forum of car nuts, where our hearts are meant to rule our heads, people tell the guy he is an idiot for considering a change to a sport version with a nicer engine.
When I said agile compared to many cars out there I was thinking more along the lines of things like an S-Line A6 Avant, I think the E70 is amazing handling wise compared to many 'sporty saloons' that people buy.
Another thing worth considering is if you are not paying cash, and are financing, a 3.0sd sport is cheaper each month than the 3.0d SE, purely because of residuals, so if he can get out of the SE and still get good money I would, it may be cheaper to do it now than stick in the SE for another 12-24 months?
gizlaroc said:
I just find it funny that on a forum of car nuts, where our hearts are meant to rule our heads, people tell the guy he is an idiot for considering a change to a sport version with a nicer engine.
Another thing worth considering is if you are not paying cash, and are financing, a 3.0sd sport is cheaper each month than the 3.0d SE, purely because of residuals, so if he can get out of the SE and still get good money I would, it may be cheaper to do it now than stick in the SE for another 12-24 months?
95% of all SE's were bought with dynamic pack, which added the m sports suspension, sports seats, leather, anthracite headcloth. If you were to look at an SE's interior with that spec its pretty much identical to a sports. It also handle like an M Sport.Another thing worth considering is if you are not paying cash, and are financing, a 3.0sd sport is cheaper each month than the 3.0d SE, purely because of residuals, so if he can get out of the SE and still get good money I would, it may be cheaper to do it now than stick in the SE for another 12-24 months?
probably 70% of all dynamic pack'd SEs have the 20 inch alloy upgrade, thus equating or bettering the size of the alloys on a sport, which only comes with 19's or 20's as an upgrade.
There also seems to be little difference externally, other than the sport has colour coded arches etc.
Thus, though the O/P hasnt confirmed this, chances are he / she has a lot of what makes up a sport anyway, by having dynamic pack and / or the 20's
Add to that the fact that a 3.0d is only 1 second slower 0-60 and can be remapped / tuning box'd to offset that for maybe £400 tops, and suddenly the £10K your local stealer will be looking for minimum to 'upgrade' suddenly sounds a bit steep.
Also, finance is usally front loaded with interest, therefore at a year old is probably the worst time to change.
I dont think anyone is going against the ethos of pistonheads by querying the benefits of changing from one exceptionally good x5 to another exceptionally good x5, unless of course the o/p has £10K disposable income at hand.
Edited by pgilc1 on Friday 11th April 14:12
Problem is an SE with dynamics and body kit is still only an SE come trade in time, a sport is still a sport and will command a much better trade in price, so yeah, if he has specced all that it would be financial suicide to get out at a year old I agree.
And anyone that that uses front loaded finance on a £50k car needs shooting!!
And anyone that that uses front loaded finance on a £50k car needs shooting!!
gizlaroc said:
Problem is an SE with dynamics and body kit is still only an SE come trade in time, a sport is still a sport and will command a much better trade in price, so yeah, if he has specced all that it would be financial suicide to get out at a year old I agree.
And anyone that that uses front loaded finance on a £50k car needs shooting!!
Yes, there is sense in that in so much as you need to spend £4K on an SE to add the 'essential' dynamics pack and 20's, which you probably wont get back come resale time, however sports only came out late 07 and were in short supply so i'd imagine an 07 SE is probably ok (fingers crossed). However discounts have previously been much easier got on an SE - i got £4500 off mine at a time when Sport discounts were unheard of.And anyone that that uses front loaded finance on a £50k car needs shooting!!
I'd imagine a fair few people will just take out the dealer finance / pcp / residual deal therefore may not know the interest is front loaded.
If anyone really wants a Sport then i certainly wouldnt recommend buying an SE and 'making do', however i wouldnt even think to change mine to a Sport at this stage - i'm not even sure a sport looks 'right' with the 20 inch alloys - maybe come trade in time in a couple of years i will look at the figures and see what works and what doesnt.
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