335d, how good
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Might have to swap from an e92 M3 into a 335d, my mileage is starting to creep back to 40-45kpa and at 19mpg the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit so with my boring middle aged head on i'm looking at 335d's, i've heard loads about how good they are but really, how good are they? I understand they won't have M3 pace but are they remotely exciting?
Edited by taffyracer on Thursday 15th May 20:01
Have a look at my thread! A year on with my 335d. I have enjoyed it and its quite a enthralling drive. It aint no M3 for sure but once you start riding the wave of torque you will get addicted. You must then re-map!!!
Carlos
p.s i aint middle aged either!!!! far from it!!
Carlos
p.s i aint middle aged either!!!! far from it!!
Edited by dxb335d on Thursday 17th April 19:00
Have a 335d and took an E92 M3 out for the afternoon. The M3 blew me away (used to have a six pot M3). They are obviously totally different cars but the 335d is still fun and a great every day car. It covers ground effortlessly and is fast enough for you to lose your license in a few seconds if you get carried away.
I like to run both.
Regards
Chris
I like to run both.
Regards
Chris
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
I've got 25000 miles on my clock taffy and i get between 450/500 from a tank now. My car has been remapped and has similar performance to an E46 M3. It's effortless performance too and extremely comfortable for long journeys but it won't be as much fun as the M3. If you're doing 20000 miles + its the best car on the market for a balance between fun and running costs.
Try to get one with Logic and DAB
Try to get one with Logic and DAB
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Add insurance, servicing and the cash difference for trading down and it's a pretty whopping saving.Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
...and that's from someone about to go from a 330d to an M3
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
£60 a week less on fuel alone? Plus as someone else has said, insurance, servicing, trading down etcAssuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
NickXX said:
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Add insurance, servicing and the cash difference for trading down and it's a pretty whopping saving.Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
3k / year on fuel is enough of a reason in my book, i really like the M3 but it's no sports car in truth, great cruiser but i think it's just too much of an expense for what I do, based on the p/ex figs banded about it's costing me over 2k/month so a nice sensible diesel might be the better option for me, would take it straight to DMS anyway, anyone have a mapped 335d they'd let me have a crack in?
...and that's from someone about to go from a 330d to an M3
They're probably a candidate for the best all-round car on sale today.
The only downside is relatively small luggage capacity. You can't fit 3 kids (with child seats) in the back, which is the only reason I'll be selling mine soon.
If you go for a touring try to track one down with the panoramic roof - totally transforms the car - best option on the options list.
Gary.
The only downside is relatively small luggage capacity. You can't fit 3 kids (with child seats) in the back, which is the only reason I'll be selling mine soon.
If you go for a touring try to track one down with the panoramic roof - totally transforms the car - best option on the options list.
Gary.
Hedgeman said:
They're probably a candidate for the best all-round car on sale today.
The only downside is relatively small luggage capacity. You can't fit 3 kids (with child seats) in the back, which is the only reason I'll be selling mine soon.
If you go for a touring try to track one down with the panoramic roof - totally transforms the car - best option on the options list.
Gary.
I had a 535d, solves the space problem, but still has the stunning engine.The only downside is relatively small luggage capacity. You can't fit 3 kids (with child seats) in the back, which is the only reason I'll be selling mine soon.
If you go for a touring try to track one down with the panoramic roof - totally transforms the car - best option on the options list.
Gary.
NickXX said:
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Add insurance, servicing and the cash difference for trading down and it's a pretty whopping saving.Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
...and that's from someone about to go from a 330d to an M3
baz1985 said:
Add in depreciation/servicing etc. you might save £5-6k in total....I think the E92 M3 is more than worth the extra £5-6k pa to run. I'd suggest that if one can comfortably afford a £55k car......£5-6k would be relatively bearable as loose change.
I dunno. £120 a week extra to drive one? hmmmm.. wouldnt do it for me. Not when a 335d is sooo good.I think any car is about what you're prepared to budget for it. We could all drive better if we wanted, but at what price? Probably likewise for an m3. if you have budgeted £X per month then if your circumstances change then if its going to cost an extra £500 a month more than that, then you might want to reconsider - particularly if the bulk of that is fuel which is 'dead money'.
I've an 07 x5. i'm comfortable with the payments and (god awful for a diesel) fuel economy. Next year we're moving house so i will be commuting much further. Will i be able to reconcile maybe £500 a month on fuel? Probably not. So i'll probably change it. Doesnt mean i couldnt comfortably afford it, just not prepared to spend that amount extra.
Edited by pgilc1 on Thursday 17th April 22:05
Another plus for the 335d is the auto box which does make the daily commute easier, I must be turning into an american as I do find driving my wife's manual car hard work now!
I did try the E92 M3 and yes it is a better car - if you get the opportunity to use its advantages and with a week spent commuting and a weekend taxi-ing the kids around I would rather quickly get frustrated!
I do also like the fact (boy racer hat on) that people see the d badge and think it is going to be slow and then they get a bit of a surprise! (boy racer hat off)
I did try the E92 M3 and yes it is a better car - if you get the opportunity to use its advantages and with a week spent commuting and a weekend taxi-ing the kids around I would rather quickly get frustrated!
I do also like the fact (boy racer hat on) that people see the d badge and think it is going to be slow and then they get a bit of a surprise! (boy racer hat off)
baz1985 said:
NickXX said:
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Don't forget the time you'll save only filling the tank half as often. This is something which doesn't get mentioned much but I find a car with short range very inconvenientAssuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
baz1985 said:
NickXX said:
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Add insurance, servicing and the cash difference for trading down and it's a pretty whopping saving.Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
...and that's from someone about to go from a 330d to an M3
If you're doing 25k miles a year there's probably a good chance that a fair proportion of it is on motorways and to be honest I doubt the M3 is a better motorway car than a 335d; therefore, spending an extra £6k a year out of taxed income to run the M3 doesn't make a lot of sense to me!
Potentially I have the same issue looming as it looks like my mileage profile is about to change and, much as I love my current car (an E46 M3CS), it's not really the tool for running-up high motorway miles (just a waste of a great car in my book).
To that end I had a run in a 335d coupe a couple of weeks back and it was pretty impressive. Performance wise I'm sure it's no match for an E92 M3 but between 40-100mph I reckon it wasn't that far off my E46; having said that, it still rattled at traffic lights and didn't feel anywhere near as involving on the twisty stuff so, good as it is, it's no M-car!
I won't be doing anything until I'm sure my mileage is going up but if it does the 335d is certainly a contender if I stick with one car. However, for doing lots of motorways miles there's a part of me that says you might as well buy a diesel Focus or Mondeo and with the money you save buy a Caterham or something similar for weekends.....!!
Potentially I have the same issue looming as it looks like my mileage profile is about to change and, much as I love my current car (an E46 M3CS), it's not really the tool for running-up high motorway miles (just a waste of a great car in my book).
To that end I had a run in a 335d coupe a couple of weeks back and it was pretty impressive. Performance wise I'm sure it's no match for an E92 M3 but between 40-100mph I reckon it wasn't that far off my E46; having said that, it still rattled at traffic lights and didn't feel anywhere near as involving on the twisty stuff so, good as it is, it's no M-car!
I won't be doing anything until I'm sure my mileage is going up but if it does the 335d is certainly a contender if I stick with one car. However, for doing lots of motorways miles there's a part of me that says you might as well buy a diesel Focus or Mondeo and with the money you save buy a Caterham or something similar for weekends.....!!
As an all rounder the 335d is bl**dy brilliant. I had the choice between a 335 Touring and an E90/92 M3 for every day duties, and came to the conclusion that I just couldn't justify the extra cost of the M3.
It wasn't just the fuel, although that is significant. A bigger part was the unpredictable depreciation of a "band G" car, and the fact that the used-car buying public are fleeing from large petrol engined cars. I wouldn't be surprised if my 335d is worth more in 3 years than a similar mileage M3, despite costing more than £10k less when new.
The other good sign with the 335d, especially in Touring form, is just how few of them are out there. Hardly any in the used market with decent spec, which also bodes well for resale.
In terms of ownership, the only major differences between the M3 and 335d as a place to sit are the seats, which look dull and have coarse leather in the cooking 3 series, although they are fantastically comfortable; also the instruments are a little more plain. Other than that, it's a very similar experience until you start the engine! The Touring does have a lot of "surprise and delight" features compared with a saloon or coupe, with an especially nicely equipped load area - much nicer boot carpet than the grey fuzzy felt in the M3, if that's important
The main thing I've been trying to get used to compared with my old 130 is the low-revving quiet nature of the diesel. Hardly any smoke and rattle (compared with the K-plate 405 I used to drive), and very little sensation of speed. There's a great shove in the back when accelerating from any speed, but it all happens so linearly that the main sensation is watching the scenery get all blurry, the needles shoot round the dial, and the cars in your mirror all look like they're in reverse. Handling and ride is lovely, even on runflats, although the lack of an LSD means that you won't be oversteering round every roundabout. If you leave the DSC on there's a differential braking system on the rear wheels to mimic a slippy diff, but it's aimed at traction not leaving big black stripes at the exits of carparks
I've only done about 1000 miles so far, about 80% of it motorway, but it's managed 37mpg on average (mine is a 6000 mile, 4 month old ex-demo, so well run in) and I can't imagine a nicer place to while away the M40. Cruise control on, logic 7 stereo belting out, and happy in the knowledge that life isn't going to be boring when you get on to more interesting roads.
Cheers,
Pete
It wasn't just the fuel, although that is significant. A bigger part was the unpredictable depreciation of a "band G" car, and the fact that the used-car buying public are fleeing from large petrol engined cars. I wouldn't be surprised if my 335d is worth more in 3 years than a similar mileage M3, despite costing more than £10k less when new.
The other good sign with the 335d, especially in Touring form, is just how few of them are out there. Hardly any in the used market with decent spec, which also bodes well for resale.
In terms of ownership, the only major differences between the M3 and 335d as a place to sit are the seats, which look dull and have coarse leather in the cooking 3 series, although they are fantastically comfortable; also the instruments are a little more plain. Other than that, it's a very similar experience until you start the engine! The Touring does have a lot of "surprise and delight" features compared with a saloon or coupe, with an especially nicely equipped load area - much nicer boot carpet than the grey fuzzy felt in the M3, if that's important
The main thing I've been trying to get used to compared with my old 130 is the low-revving quiet nature of the diesel. Hardly any smoke and rattle (compared with the K-plate 405 I used to drive), and very little sensation of speed. There's a great shove in the back when accelerating from any speed, but it all happens so linearly that the main sensation is watching the scenery get all blurry, the needles shoot round the dial, and the cars in your mirror all look like they're in reverse. Handling and ride is lovely, even on runflats, although the lack of an LSD means that you won't be oversteering round every roundabout. If you leave the DSC on there's a differential braking system on the rear wheels to mimic a slippy diff, but it's aimed at traction not leaving big black stripes at the exits of carparks
I've only done about 1000 miles so far, about 80% of it motorway, but it's managed 37mpg on average (mine is a 6000 mile, 4 month old ex-demo, so well run in) and I can't imagine a nicer place to while away the M40. Cruise control on, logic 7 stereo belting out, and happy in the knowledge that life isn't going to be boring when you get on to more interesting roads.
Cheers,
Pete
taffyracer said:
baz1985 said:
NickXX said:
baz1985 said:
I would thoroughly compute any anticipated fuel savings. I doubt they would tantamount to a worthwhile saving.
Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
Add insurance, servicing and the cash difference for trading down and it's a pretty whopping saving.Assuming 25k pa @ 114.9 V Power @ 19.0mpg = £6873
Assuming 25k pa @ 116.9 V Power Diesel @ 35mpg = £3796
Approx saving of £3077 on fuel.......IMO not enough to justify.
Depreciation is another matter!
...and that's from someone about to go from a 330d to an M3
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